Head Coach Search

TheOak · 01-28-2022, 08:38 AM

If I were some of you I would stop looking so hard at the card you want to play and look at the cards that have been played.

Dennis Allen is 8-28 as a head coach. I don’t care where or why I care that in three seasons he could not break .250 as a Head Coach. The Raiders were 8-8 the season before he arrived and 7-9 the season after he left.

Moving Dennis Allen to HC f***s with our defense. STOP f***ing with a great defense. We are going to NEED the continuity of Allen+his defense to get us through the teething pains of a new HC, QB, and offensive game plan. The defense is the ONLY stable piece to our puzzle.

halloween 65 · 01-28-2022, 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

If I were some of you I would stop looking so hard at the card you want to play and look at the cards that have been played.

Dennis Allen is 8-28 as a head coach. I don’t care where or why I care that in three seasons he could not break .250 as a Head Coach. The Raiders were 8-8 the season before he arrived and 7-9 the season after he left.

Moving Dennis Allen to HC f***s with our defense. STOP f***ing with a great defense. We are going to NEED the continuity of Allen+his defense to get us through the teething pains of a new HC, QB, and offensive game plan. The defense is the ONLY stable piece to our puzzle.

Totally agree. Allen has been the only DC given decent players in the draft and good FA under Payton. No other DC ever got that under Payton. As a HC (as you stated) Allen failed miserably. I would look elsewhere for a HC and let Allen stay as the DC.

AsylumGuido · 01-28-2022, 09:13 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

If I were some of you I would stop looking so hard at the card you want to play and look at the cards that have been played.

Dennis Allen is 8-28 as a head coach. I don’t care where or why I care that in three seasons he could not break .250 as a Head Coach. The Raiders were 8-8 the season before he arrived and 7-9 the season after he left.

Moving Dennis Allen to HC f***s with our defense. STOP f***ing with a great defense. We are going to NEED the continuity of Allen+his defense to get us through the teething pains of a new HC, QB, and offensive game plan. The defense is the ONLY stable piece to our puzzle.

That's all good and fine IF Dennis Allen was willing and able to remain as DC with someone else on the staff assuming HC duties. Or, able to remain on as DC if someone from the outside assumes those duties. I cannot remember a time that a team brought in a HC from elsewhere and kept the prior HC's staff in place. It could have happened, but not to my knowledge.

saintfan · 01-28-2022, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

That's all good and fine IF Dennis Allen was willing and able to remain as DC with someone else on the staff assuming HC duties. Or, able to remain on as DC if someone from the outside assumes those duties. I cannot remember a time that a team brought in a HC from elsewhere and kept the prior HC's staff in place. It could have happened, but not to my knowledge.

In other words you don't have a clue. Way to waste everyone's time little speedo.

rezburna · 01-28-2022, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

That's all good and fine IF Dennis Allen was willing and able to remain as DC with someone else on the staff assuming HC duties. Or, able to remain on as DC if someone from the outside assumes those duties. I cannot remember a time that a team brought in a HC from elsewhere and kept the prior HC's staff in place. It could have happened, but not to my knowledge.

You definitely have good reason for wanting Allen to take over for Payton. One would think/hope we could maintain continuity with that move. I think you’re probably right in that regard. I just think we’d benefit from a new mind on the offensive side of the ball. We need some innovators. I think our offense is a little stale even with the players that we’ve lost. The way SF is using Deebo Samuel and Miami so using Jaylen Waddle, I’d love to see that level of creativity. Why haven’t we put Harris at running back and had him run routers with a linebacker matched on him? We gotta continue to grow with the league…or better yet be a step ahead of the league. I don’t think Allen would provide that spark.

AsylumGuido · 01-28-2022, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

You definitely have good reason for wanting Allen to take over for Payton. One would think/hope we could maintain continuity with that move. I think you’re probably right in that regard. I just think we’d benefit from a new mind on the offensive side of the ball. We need some innovators. I think our offense is a little stale even with the players that we’ve lost. The way SF is using Deebo Samuel and Miami so using Jaylen Waddle, I’d love to see that level of creativity. Why haven’t we put Harris at running back and had him run routers with a linebacker matched on him? We gotta continue to grow with the league…or better yet be a step ahead of the league. I don’t think Allen would provide that spark.

I get where you are coming from as far as the offense goes. I'd like to see what Pete Carmichael is capable of coming completely out from the shadow of Sean Payton. Sure, he's done some playcalling and "playbooking", but Payton has always been in the driver's seat when it came to the offense. Even during the suspension year it was the Payton playbook they were running. Not sure of anyway to keep what semblance of success we have going without keeping pieces in place.

Our cap is not as dire as some think. They just do not understand the dynamics of this cap management concept. Our roster is also not lacking of talent. There's no reason why we can't keep anyone we want as far a free agents go. We have the second best record in the NFL over the past five seasons, including 2021. It's definitely not time for a rebuild.

vpheughan · 01-28-2022, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

That's all good and fine IF Dennis Allen was willing and able to remain as DC with someone else on the staff assuming HC duties. Or, able to remain on as DC if someone from the outside assumes those duties. I cannot remember a time that a team brought in a HC from elsewhere and kept the prior HC's staff in place. It could have happened, but not to my knowledge.

THE INDIANAPOLIS COLTS COACH FRANK REICH inherited the partial coaching staff assembled by Josh McDaniels prior to his backing out of the job.

Three assistant coaches – defensive coordinator Matt Eberflus, offensive line coach Dave DeGuglielmo and defensive line coach Mike Phair – already had been hired during the post-season.

This year Matt Eberflus, Defensive Coordinator was hired by the Bears to become their Head Coach.

Boston Saint · 01-28-2022, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Moving Dennis Allen to HC f***s with our defense. STOP f***ing with a great defense. We are going to NEED the continuity of Allen+his defense to get us through the teething pains of a new HC, QB, and offensive game plan. The defense is the ONLY stable piece to our puzzle.

But it’s likely that a new Head Coach coming from outside the organization would want his own staff. Plus, Allen may bolt if not given the HC job. Point is A LOT could change if an outside coach comes in. Less likely changes if Allen is promoted.

AsylumGuido · 01-28-2022, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

But it’s likely that a new Head Coach coming from outside the organization would want his own staff. Plus, Allen may bolt if not given the HC job. Point is A LOT could change if an outside coach comes in. Less likely changes if Allen is promoted.

Exactly the point I was making.

AsylumGuido · 01-28-2022, 06:01 PM

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01-28-2022, 08:38 AM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Head Coach Search If I were some of you I would stop looking so hard at the card you want to play and look at the cards that have been played. Dennis Allen is 8-28 as a head coach. I don’t care where or why I care that in three seasons he could not break .250 as a Head Coach. The Raiders were 8-8 the season before he arrived and 7-9 the season after he left. Moving Dennis Allen to HC f*s with our defense. STOP f*ing with a great defense. We are going to NEED the continuity of Allen+his defense to get us through the teething pains of a new HC, QB, and offensive game plan. The defense is the ONLY stable piece to our puzzle. halloween 65, Rell&Gold and K Major like this.
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01-28-2022, 08:54 AM	#2
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by TheOak If I were some of you I would stop looking so hard at the card you want to play and look at the cards that have been played. Dennis Allen is 8-28 as a head coach. I don’t care where or why I care that in three seasons he could not break .250 as a Head Coach. The Raiders were 8-8 the season before he arrived and 7-9 the season after he left. Moving Dennis Allen to HC f*s with our defense. STOP f*ing with a great defense. We are going to NEED the continuity of Allen+his defense to get us through the teething pains of a new HC, QB, and offensive game plan. The defense is the ONLY stable piece to our puzzle. Totally agree. Allen has been the only DC given decent players in the draft and good FA under Payton. No other DC ever got that under Payton. As a HC (as you stated) Allen failed miserably. I would look elsewhere for a HC and let Allen stay as the DC. Rugby Saint II and Rell&Gold like this.

01-28-2022, 09:13 AM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by TheOak If I were some of you I would stop looking so hard at the card you want to play and look at the cards that have been played. Dennis Allen is 8-28 as a head coach. I don’t care where or why I care that in three seasons he could not break .250 as a Head Coach. The Raiders were 8-8 the season before he arrived and 7-9 the season after he left. Moving Dennis Allen to HC f*s with our defense. STOP f*ing with a great defense. We are going to NEED the continuity of Allen+his defense to get us through the teething pains of a new HC, QB, and offensive game plan. The defense is the ONLY stable piece to our puzzle. That's all good and fine IF Dennis Allen was willing and able to remain as DC with someone else on the staff assuming HC duties. Or, able to remain on as DC if someone from the outside assumes those duties. I cannot remember a time that a team brought in a HC from elsewhere and kept the prior HC's staff in place. It could have happened, but not to my knowledge. ChrisXVI likes this.

01-28-2022, 09:17 AM	#4
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by AsylumGuido That's all good and fine IF Dennis Allen was willing and able to remain as DC with someone else on the staff assuming HC duties. Or, able to remain on as DC if someone from the outside assumes those duties. I cannot remember a time that a team brought in a HC from elsewhere and kept the prior HC's staff in place. It could have happened, but not to my knowledge. In other words you don't have a clue. Way to waste everyone's time little speedo. K Major likes this.

01-28-2022, 12:17 PM	#5
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,099	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by AsylumGuido That's all good and fine IF Dennis Allen was willing and able to remain as DC with someone else on the staff assuming HC duties. Or, able to remain on as DC if someone from the outside assumes those duties. I cannot remember a time that a team brought in a HC from elsewhere and kept the prior HC's staff in place. It could have happened, but not to my knowledge. You definitely have good reason for wanting Allen to take over for Payton. One would think/hope we could maintain continuity with that move. I think you’re probably right in that regard. I just think we’d benefit from a new mind on the offensive side of the ball. We need some innovators. I think our offense is a little stale even with the players that we’ve lost. The way SF is using Deebo Samuel and Miami so using Jaylen Waddle, I’d love to see that level of creativity. Why haven’t we put Harris at running back and had him run routers with a linebacker matched on him? We gotta continue to grow with the league…or better yet be a step ahead of the league. I don’t think Allen would provide that spark. Crusader and Rell&Gold like this.
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01-28-2022, 05:21 PM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by rezburna You definitely have good reason for wanting Allen to take over for Payton. One would think/hope we could maintain continuity with that move. I think you’re probably right in that regard. I just think we’d benefit from a new mind on the offensive side of the ball. We need some innovators. I think our offense is a little stale even with the players that we’ve lost. The way SF is using Deebo Samuel and Miami so using Jaylen Waddle, I’d love to see that level of creativity. Why haven’t we put Harris at running back and had him run routers with a linebacker matched on him? We gotta continue to grow with the league…or better yet be a step ahead of the league. I don’t think Allen would provide that spark. I get where you are coming from as far as the offense goes. I'd like to see what Pete Carmichael is capable of coming completely out from the shadow of Sean Payton. Sure, he's done some playcalling and "playbooking", but Payton has always been in the driver's seat when it came to the offense. Even during the suspension year it was the Payton playbook they were running. Not sure of anyway to keep what semblance of success we have going without keeping pieces in place. Our cap is not as dire as some think. They just do not understand the dynamics of this cap management concept. Our roster is also not lacking of talent. There's no reason why we can't keep anyone we want as far a free agents go. We have the second best record in the NFL over the past five seasons, including 2021. It's definitely not time for a rebuild. Thirty3 likes this.
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01-28-2022, 01:17 PM	#7
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,548	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by AsylumGuido That's all good and fine IF Dennis Allen was willing and able to remain as DC with someone else on the staff assuming HC duties. Or, able to remain on as DC if someone from the outside assumes those duties. I cannot remember a time that a team brought in a HC from elsewhere and kept the prior HC's staff in place. It could have happened, but not to my knowledge. THE INDIANAPOLIS COLTS COACH FRANK REICH inherited the partial coaching staff assembled by Josh McDaniels prior to his backing out of the job. Three assistant coaches – defensive coordinator Matt Eberflus, offensive line coach Dave DeGuglielmo and defensive line coach Mike Phair – already had been hired during the post-season. This year Matt Eberflus, Defensive Coordinator was hired by the Bears to become their Head Coach.
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01-28-2022, 12:32 PM	#8
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by TheOak Moving Dennis Allen to HC f*s with our defense. STOP f*ing with a great defense. We are going to NEED the continuity of Allen+his defense to get us through the teething pains of a new HC, QB, and offensive game plan. The defense is the ONLY stable piece to our puzzle. But it’s likely that a new Head Coach coming from outside the organization would want his own staff. Plus, Allen may bolt if not given the HC job. Point is A LOT could change if an outside coach comes in. Less likely changes if Allen is promoted. AsylumGuido and Rell&Gold like this.

01-28-2022, 05:22 PM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by Boston Saint But it’s likely that a new Head Coach coming from outside the organization would want his own staff. Plus, Allen may bolt if not given the HC job. Point is A LOT could change if an outside coach comes in. Less likely changes if Allen is promoted. Exactly the point I was making. Rell&Gold likes this.

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