Your dream coach

FinSaint · 01-29-2022, 03:59 AM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Maybe we go 1-17, get the #1 pick and Payton comes back and drafts our next franchise QB. One can dream.

I think he’s back on the sidelines in 2023.

Arch Manning will be in the draft class of 2026-7 and if there's someone who I'd accept tanking for - it's him.

Rugby Saint II · 01-29-2022, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

Arch Manning will be in the draft class of 2026-7 and if there's someone who I'd accept tanking for - it's him.

I'm against tanking the season because it is hard to keep the team motivated and/or reinstate a winning attitude. If you make trades before the season it takes a while for players to adjust to a new scheme that has had wholesale changes.

AsylumGuido · 01-29-2022, 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I'm against tanking the season because it is hard to keep the team motivated and/or reinstate a winning attitude. If you make trades before the season it takes a while for players to adjust to a new scheme that has had wholesale changes.

Exactly, Rugs. A franchise with a winning culture would never tank because it would destroy that culture. The only franchise I can think of that has even come close to tanking (done at the administrative level) may have been the Jaguars and look where it has gotten them. Year after year they rot near the bottom of the standings. The culture there is toxic.

Honestly, tanking is a fan concept. It's something true competitors would never consider. Personally, I want nothing but true competitors connected with the team that I love.

neugey · 01-29-2022, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Exactly, Rugs. A franchise with a winning culture would never tank because it would destroy that culture. The only franchise I can think of that has even come close to tanking (done at the administrative level) may have been the Jaguars and look where it has gotten them. Year after year they rot near the bottom of the standings. The culture there is toxic.

Honestly, tanking is a fan concept. It's something true competitors would never consider. Personally, I want nothing but true competitors connected with the team that I love.

Totally agree. As a Lakers fan we had a few tanking years in the 2010's, and even after a championship, a bit of that spectre still looms.

I just watched the "Battered Bastards of Baseball" documentary this morning. If you need proof that playing hard and having your heart in the game matters, for both the players and the fans, that's your proof.

AsylumGuido · 01-29-2022, 11:04 AM

Originally Posted by neugey

Totally agree. As a Lakers fan we had a few tanking years in the 2010's, and even after a championship, a bit of that spectre still looms.

I just watched the "Battered Bastards of Baseball" documentary this morning. If you need proof that playing hard and having your heart in the game matters, for both the players and the fans, that's your proof.

Yup. The NBA is the only major team sport where tanking has been obvious with the players even involved. Thus the whole reason for the NBA draft lottery. Administrative tanking does happen in major league baseball with player selloffs, but even then the players and coaches do everything within their abilities to win. Their individual careers are impacted.

saintfan · 01-29-2022, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Exactly, Rugs. A franchise with a winning culture would never tank because it would destroy that culture. The only franchise I can think of that has even come close to tanking (done at the administrative level) may have been the Jaguars and look where it has gotten them. Year after year they rot near the bottom of the standings. The culture there is toxic.

Honestly, tanking is a fan concept. It's something true competitors would never consider. Personally, I want nothing but true competitors connected with the team that I love.

Lots of teams tank. It happens every year. It's not a fan concept, it's a strategy, and "tanking", as fanboys like you call it, has been the foundation for many a championship run.

FinSaint · 01-29-2022, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I'm against tanking the season because it is hard to keep the team motivated and/or reinstate a winning attitude. If you make trades before the season it takes a while for players to adjust to a new scheme that has had wholesale changes.

Yeah, I'm against it as well. My point was that I'd like to see Arch in a Saints' jersey, and I would be ok with pretty much any move that allows it to happen.

Granted, this notion might be a stupid one and he might not even turn out to be a good pro athlete, but how great would it be to have another Manning as a franchise QB?!

01-29-2022, 08:46 AM	#2
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,133	Re: Your dream coach Originally Posted by FinSaint Arch Manning will be in the draft class of 2026-7 and if there's someone who I'd accept tanking for - it's him. I'm against tanking the season because it is hard to keep the team motivated and/or reinstate a winning attitude. If you make trades before the season it takes a while for players to adjust to a new scheme that has had wholesale changes. AsylumGuido likes this.

01-29-2022, 09:58 AM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Your dream coach Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I'm against tanking the season because it is hard to keep the team motivated and/or reinstate a winning attitude. If you make trades before the season it takes a while for players to adjust to a new scheme that has had wholesale changes. Exactly, Rugs. A franchise with a winning culture would never tank because it would destroy that culture. The only franchise I can think of that has even come close to tanking (done at the administrative level) may have been the Jaguars and look where it has gotten them. Year after year they rot near the bottom of the standings. The culture there is toxic. Honestly, tanking is a fan concept. It's something true competitors would never consider. Personally, I want nothing but true competitors connected with the team that I love. neugey likes this.

01-29-2022, 10:55 AM	#4
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,835 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Your dream coach Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Exactly, Rugs. A franchise with a winning culture would never tank because it would destroy that culture. The only franchise I can think of that has even come close to tanking (done at the administrative level) may have been the Jaguars and look where it has gotten them. Year after year they rot near the bottom of the standings. The culture there is toxic. Honestly, tanking is a fan concept. It's something true competitors would never consider. Personally, I want nothing but true competitors connected with the team that I love. Totally agree. As a Lakers fan we had a few tanking years in the 2010's, and even after a championship, a bit of that spectre still looms. I just watched the "Battered Bastards of Baseball" documentary this morning. If you need proof that playing hard and having your heart in the game matters, for both the players and the fans, that's your proof. AsylumGuido and Rugby Saint II like this.

01-29-2022, 11:04 AM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Your dream coach Originally Posted by neugey Totally agree. As a Lakers fan we had a few tanking years in the 2010's, and even after a championship, a bit of that spectre still looms. I just watched the "Battered Bastards of Baseball" documentary this morning. If you need proof that playing hard and having your heart in the game matters, for both the players and the fans, that's your proof. Yup. The NBA is the only major team sport where tanking has been obvious with the players even involved. Thus the whole reason for the NBA draft lottery. Administrative tanking does happen in major league baseball with player selloffs, but even then the players and coaches do everything within their abilities to win. Their individual careers are impacted.

01-29-2022, 01:18 PM	#6
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Your dream coach Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Exactly, Rugs. A franchise with a winning culture would never tank because it would destroy that culture. The only franchise I can think of that has even come close to tanking (done at the administrative level) may have been the Jaguars and look where it has gotten them. Year after year they rot near the bottom of the standings. The culture there is toxic. Honestly, tanking is a fan concept. It's something true competitors would never consider. Personally, I want nothing but true competitors connected with the team that I love. Lots of teams tank. It happens every year. It's not a fan concept, it's a strategy, and "tanking", as fanboys like you call it, has been the foundation for many a championship run.

01-29-2022, 03:59 AM	#1
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Re: Your dream coach Originally Posted by The Dude Maybe we go 1-17, get the #1 pick and Payton comes back and drafts our next franchise QB. One can dream. I think he’s back on the sidelines in 2023. Arch Manning will be in the draft class of 2026-7 and if there's someone who I'd accept tanking for - it's him. Crusader likes this.

01-29-2022, 12:50 PM	#7
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Re: Your dream coach Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I'm against tanking the season because it is hard to keep the team motivated and/or reinstate a winning attitude. If you make trades before the season it takes a while for players to adjust to a new scheme that has had wholesale changes. Yeah, I'm against it as well. My point was that I'd like to see Arch in a Saints' jersey, and I would be ok with pretty much any move that allows it to happen. Granted, this notion might be a stupid one and he might not even turn out to be a good pro athlete, but how great would it be to have another Manning as a franchise QB?! AsylumGuido and Rell&Gold like this.