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SaintFanInATLHELL 02-06-2022 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 944045)
Answer: Speedo stops race-baiting and stops attacking people. Sadly little speedo is still in denial mode. Still refuses to admit what he's done and clearly has no plans to stop on his own. So I'm his target. I'm his nemesis. I'm the diversion that stops him from running people away. I'm the one he can attack - I'm the one he can use to try to divide the board.

Ignoring NPD works fine unless you have to see them every day. In that case you have to draw a line in the sand and defend it to hell and back, and that is the only way.

I and others have tried ignoring him and his behavior has become increasingly worse because he is empowered in his disorder. As a moderator I have been approached by people who are tired of having this disordered man berate their every comment. Tired of him reporting their posts as the victim when he's the instigator. As a moderator I left him alone literally for years hoping that he, like some before him, just washed out and went away.

He's NOT going to use the board to feed his disorder anymore. Sure I can ignore him. I would like to suggest that if you're the one seeing all the reports he's made against others here - if you're the one getting PMd by people who want to know what gives, if you're that guy what would YOU do?

It's necessary. If speedo cared at all about this board he'd effing stop. Everybody here knows what he does. Therefore everyone here should take a stand and put a stop to this madness.

I'm not trying to make speedo a better person. That ship sailed, probably about the time he turned 4. I AM going to stop him from his attacking and race baiting. When is the last time you saw him do what is on display in this very thread to anyone other than me?

You're welcome.

:bng:

I'm still confused. Stopping someone with NPD seems to be equivalent to trying to stop the virus. Since they are disordered, are they simply not capable of controlling that behavior?

Is your goal to simply make yourself the target of attack so that attacks go nowhere else?

Also as a moderator, why not use moderation as a tool to control acceptable behavior?

I understand what you want to accomplish. It just seems to me that this is the most annoying and roundabout way of trying to pull it off.

This just seems like a tactic to me where the supposed cure is worse that the supposed disease. It has folks like the OP exploding in anger over the situation. I asked the same about 10 days ago. I just don't see the point where it ticks off the masses with no other real movement.

Right or wrong, Guido is who he is. And I'm taking your word about the cause and the fact that behavior is difficult to curtail.

I'd just like to point out as a moderator, your current approach isn't very moderate. And it's clear it's going to have quite a few unintended effects if it continues in its current form.

SFIAH

SaintFanInATLHELL 02-06-2022 08:51 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 944045)
I would like to suggest that if you're the one seeing all the reports he's made against others here - if you're the one getting PMd by people who want to know what gives, if you're that guy what would YOU do?

I wanted to take this one on separately. Personally, I would ignore it. However, I understand that I have the personality to not allow for writings from anonymous internet people to affect me, while others may not.

Being a moderator is a tough job. I do appreciate the work that you and the other moderators of this forum do on our behalf. I would not wish that job on my worst enemy.

But in the interest of trying to find an alternative solution, let me propose a couple of suggestions.

1. Moderate offensive posts. Moderators already do this anyway. If there's a post that off topic, or a personal attack, replace it with "Moderated due to personal attack" and remove the original content.

2. See if it's possible to turn off the PM system on individual users so that such attacks cannot be delivered via PM.

3. Explain to the offending user that these measures will be employed for a specific amount of time. If no moderation occurs in that timeframe, then loosen the reigns.

None of these really try to change the behavior of offending users. Or personally attacks them. Instead it just applies consequences for actions in such a way that continued poor behavior cannot reach the target while making it clear to the rest of the board that offensive/personal attacks will not be posted via the board.

I do not want the moderator job. So, please do not ask. But at least this is a potential end game that the rest of us can live with.

Hope this helps,

SFIAH

saintfan 02-06-2022 09:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 944049)
I wanted to take this one on separately. Personally, I would ignore it. However, I understand that I have the personality to not allow for writings from anonymous internet people to affect me, while others may not.

Being a moderator is a tough job. I do appreciate the work that you and the other moderators of this forum do on our behalf. I would not wish that job on my worst enemy.

But in the interest of trying to find an alternative solution, let me propose a couple of suggestions.

1. Moderate offensive posts. Moderators already do this anyway. If there's a post that off topic, or a personal attack, replace it with "Moderated due to personal attack" and remove the original content.

2. See if it's possible to turn off the PM system on individual users so that such attacks cannot be delivered via PM.

3. Explain to the offending user that these measures will be employed for a specific amount of time. If no moderation occurs in that timeframe, then loosen the reigns.

None of these really try to change the behavior of offending users. Or personally attacks them. Instead it just applies consequences for actions in such a way that continued poor behavior cannot reach the target while making it clear to the rest of the board that offensive/personal attacks will not be posted via the board.

I do not want the moderator job. So, please do not ask. But at least this is a potential end game that the rest of us can live with.

Hope this helps,

SFIAH

1. Tried that
2. Out of my control
3. Tried that

This is not a recent thing. This has been going on for YEARS with this little man. YEARS. And he gets worse over time. One post of support fuels him further. Watch him try to make friends with anyone who defends him IMMEDIATELY. Years in the making.

You have seen with your own eyes in this thread people posting examples of his attacks and race baiting. I ask you to trust that there are many many more such examples. You have seen with your own eyes his faux 'apology' wherein he does nothing but make excuses so that he can defend his own behavior.

Again I will ask you to understand this is not recent. Reason has been attempted many times...over years...and still he will not relent. Speedo is always going to be NPD. There are no pills for it, and the disorder is to deny the disorder. Years and years of therapy and then it's still a crap shoot. So we ignore if we can, and we push the disorder at its core when that fails - not individually but for the common good. In time, the disordered individual moves on because he can no longer feed his ego in the current environment. Speedo is hard core. He's broke but bad. It's going to take a while. Even in the face of those who have 'supported' and 'defended' him here - the very people who also acknowledge, at a minimum, that he rubs folks the wrong way, even with THAT staring him dead in the face in a thread devoted to nothing more than this situation:

TODAY this man (a) posted someone else's material on this board and failed to provide a link and (b) only after I flagged him for it did he link to it and (c)
he immediately made excuses then (d) claimed he was being harassed and (e) tried to imply this his behavior was perfectly legal. Rules mean nothing to NPD. Victim mode, today as any other. It's a simple rule - to link back, but speedo can't give that credit to the creator. He has no real opinion or knowledge to share, so he steals it, even when he does link back. That hit home with him and he reacted...in a typically NPD way.

Dude is sick sir. Again I fully understand this is disruptive, and I harbor no ill will to anyone who chooses to ignore me through this course of action. I knew it going in - that people would be disrupted and frustrated with me. In the end I say again, the ONLY person you've seen him attack in weeks is me, because I'm bringing his NPD behavior directly to his front door, every day - every post. So, he's uber-nice to everyone else and tries to make this about me against him...tries to make it personal. That's what NPD does. He has not yet come to understand I do not mind being the villain as he perceives it. I don't have that kind of ego.

People have a right to post here without being attacked for their opinions.
Race baiting is dangerous. Speedo is public enemy #1 on both counts. Trust in the process. It's already working. Try to have a laugh. I'm trying to keep it funny. It's the least I can do...

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SaintFanInATLHELL 02-06-2022 09:20 PM

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OK. I will now take my leave of the situation. I hope that it gets resolved.

SFIAH

vpheughan 02-07-2022 02:50 PM

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Do not correct a FOOL, for he will hate you.
Correct a wise man and he will appreciate you.

jonnyrotten 02-17-2022 01:22 PM

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Was hoping I could come back and see that the childish behaviors has ceased... guess that was too much to ask for.

F it. I'm out. Good job f'ing up the board for folks like me with this absurdity. You win.

Someone email me when these two twats are done so i can come back.

Selfish A holes. You should both be ashamed of yourselves Guido and Saintsfan.

saintfan 02-17-2022 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jonnyrotten (Post 945132)
Was hoping I could come back and see that the childish behaviors has ceased... guess that was too much to ask for.

F it. I'm out. Good job f'ing up the board for folks like me with this absurdity. You win.

Someone email me when these two twats are done so i can come back.

Selfish A holes. You should both be ashamed of yourselves Guido and Saintsfan.

No shame here. After a solid month speedo is race baiting in the forum today. It ends when that kind of stuff ends.

jonnyrotten 02-17-2022 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 945136)
No shame here. After a solid month speedo is race baiting in the forum today. It ends when that kind of stuff ends.

Two wrongs don't make a right Sainstfan. The stuff you are crusading for and calling Guido out for are exactly what you are doing in return. How does that make any sense?

In the end, you look like just as much of a douche for it. I have nothing against either of you, just doesn't make sense to keep it going. Point has been proven, now be the bigger man you claim to be.

AsylumGuido 02-17-2022 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jonnyrotten (Post 945154)
Two wrongs don't make a right Sainstfan. The stuff you are crusading for and calling Guido out for are exactly what you are doing in return. How does that make any sense?

In the end, you look like just as much of a douche for it. I have nothing against either of you, just doesn't make sense to keep it going. Point has been proven, now be the bigger man you claim to be.

I apologize to you personally, jonny. I have tried my best for the last two months to avoid any confrontation with saintfan and others. I placed him on my ignore list to hopefully bring any back and forth to an end for good, but whenever I post anything I see a hidden post by him.

jeanpierre 02-17-2022 03:45 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 945136)
No shame here. After a solid month speedo is race baiting in the forum today. It ends when that kind of stuff ends.

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saintfan 02-17-2022 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 945155)
I apologize to you personally, jonny. I have tried my best for the last two months to avoid any confrontation with saintfan and others. I placed him on my ignore list to hopefully bring any back and forth to an end for good, but whenever I post anything I see a hidden post by him.

You haven't tried to avoid anything. You've lied about blocking me, you've lied about trolling members here which you've been doing for years. You've lied about race baiting for which there are numerous examples. You've tried and continue to try to divide the board. And you continue, even with this post, to play the victim - textbook Narcissistic Personality Disorder little man.

saintfan 02-17-2022 11:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jonnyrotten (Post 945154)
Two wrongs don't make a right Sainstfan. The stuff you are crusading for and calling Guido out for are exactly what you are doing in return. How does that make any sense?

In the end, you look like just as much of a douche for it. I have nothing against either of you, just doesn't make sense to keep it going. Point has been proven, now be the bigger man you claim to be.

I am giving speedo what he gives. Deliberately. Many times over. And it makes perfect sense once it is understood how to deal with NPD. Every reasonable effort was made by me via PM to ask and ultimately tell him to stop, then warn him that what's happening right now would be the result. It didn't happen overnight or even over a few months. My first official warning to him was in 2018. From then to now he has not stopped, almost challenging me just as he does others in thread after thread. His behavior actually became worse, because nobody tells NPD that he's in the wrong and gets away with it.

Yes, the point has been proven. By me. Also by others who have recounted their own experiences, and there is SO MUCH more that people not tasked with keeping the peace here see or have to deal with. And with the proven point the behavior has not stopped and has become what we see here now.

As I have said, no hard feelings. The ignore button is an excellent option until this is over. It stops when speedo stops...as long as it takes.

Rugby Saint II 02-21-2022 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 944023)
I get the premise of what's going on here, but this back and forth, from 2 Members that I'd rather not set to Ignore, is getting real tiresome now.

There's something to be said for not stooping to a troublemakers level, its getting extremely childish.

I visit this forum to read interesting articles, news and discuss with other fans. I deleted Twitter due to the toxic people masked as Saints fan with an alternative agenda of attacking each other. Its sad to see a place I enjoy coming to daily, turning into what Saints Twitter became.

I'm close to taking a few months away from this site now, which is a shame because 98% of us get on day to day.

I blocked saintsfan some time ago because of this incessant crap! Now I have to see posters quoting him and asking for him politely to "Let It Go". Unfortunately, he would rather run everybody off rather than stopping his aggressive agenda against other members. I spend less and less time on here because of this nonstop discourse which is a huge downer for people who don't enjoy arguing.

I hope that Halo knows that the bng harmony is struggling because of this heavy discourse on the board. On the bright side, if saintsfan runs everybody off then Guido will quit posting and he can have the place all to himself. :roll:

saintfan 02-21-2022 01:03 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 945422)
I blocked saintsfan some time ago because of this incessant crap! Now I have to see posters quoting him and asking for him politely to "Let It Go". Unfortunately, he would rather run everybody off rather than stopping his aggressive agenda against other members. I spend less and less time on here because of this nonstop discourse which is a huge downer for people who don't enjoy arguing.

I hope that Halo knows that the bng harmony is struggling because of this heavy discourse on the board. On the bright side, if saintsfan runs everybody off then Guido will quit posting and he can have the place all to himself. :roll:

Did you block speedo while he was relentlessly harassing other members? Tell the board about it? Step in to defend any of people he attacked? Tasked with keeping the peace here? Read every post in every thread? Tried sending speedo PMs asking him to stop? React at all to the race baiting?

No?

Well then, perhaps you should just keep on doing what you're doing and leave the rest to me...Thanks in advance...

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jeanpierre 02-21-2022 01:35 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 945432)
Did you block speedo while he was relentlessly harassing other members? Tell the board about it? Step in to defend any of people he attacked? Tasked with keeping the peace here? Read every post in every thread? Tried sending speedo PMs asking him to stop? React at all to the race baiting?

No?

Well then, perhaps you should just keep on doing what you're doing and leave the rest to me...Thanks in advance...

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TheOak 02-22-2022 07:33 AM

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Guido's insufferable autofellatio comes in two distinct flavors. Blind optimism or sound bites from others and neither are conducive to an objective exchange of ideas. He does however, quite often, deliver other people's thoughts and clear up the grayness of some topics.

Guido - You are an idealist and I have found it very difficult to have a qualitative objective discussion with idealists. They tend to believe they are an authority on topics and the discussion is either a vehement agreement or disagreement, neither of which are appealing to people that enjoy throwing ideas around. You may want to start your own blog that might suit your style much better.

As far as Saintsfan, his crusade to open Guido's eyes can be a bit like that mosquito buzz in your ear we are all so familiar with but that is intentional and not his general M.O.. It never ends well for the mosquito, quite often leads to Google searches on 'how to build a flamethrower'.

Saintsfan - "Highroad" is all that I can say. Your efforts have been recognized but there is just no ground to be made.

As for me... I got lost a few years ago and it took some hard words from Papz, and three deaths in my close family inside of 6 weeks to open my eyes to what I genuinely value and what the person I want to be looks like. I know you are reading my opening line and asking 'WF you going on about'? LOL Well, we all have our nature don't we? I recognize that I can be caustic but try to turn it into something constructive... I find that caustic is an idea but if a little thought is applied it can be transformed into something useful.

A few terms to ponder.

Intellect - The faculty of reasoning and understanding objectively. (We all like to think we are intelligent don't we? Prove it)
Objectivity - Free from bias. (You can be a fanatic and still have objective discussion)
Conversation - A talk, especially an informal one, between two or more people, in which news and ideas are exchanged. (Do I need to provide the definition of 'exchange' or can we figure it out?)

To Johnny... Good on ya for this thread. :bng:

AsylumGuido 02-22-2022 08:32 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 945478)
Guido's insufferable autofellatio comes in two distinct flavors. Blind optimism or sound bites from others and neither are conducive to an objective exchange of ideas. He does however, quite often, deliver other people's thoughts and clear up the grayness of some topics.

Guido - You are an idealist and I have found it very difficult to have a qualitative objective discussion with idealists. They tend to believe they are an authority on topics and the discussion is either a vehement agreement or disagreement, neither of which are appealing to people that enjoy throwing ideas around. You may want to start your own blog that might suit your style much better.

As far as Saintsfan, his crusade to open Guido's eyes can be a bit like that mosquito buzz in your ear we are all so familiar with but that is intentional and not his general M.O.. It never ends well for the mosquito, quite often leads to Google searches on 'how to build a flamethrower'.

Saintsfan - "Highroad" is all that I can say. Your efforts have been recognized but there is just no ground to be made.

As for me... I got lost a few years ago and it took some hard words from Papz, and three deaths in my close family inside of 6 weeks to open my eyes to what I genuinely value and what the person I want to be looks like. I know you are reading my opening line and asking 'WF you going on about'? LOL Well, we all have our nature don't we? I recognize that I can be caustic but try to turn it into something constructive... I find that caustic is an idea but if a little thought is applied it can be transformed into something useful.

A few terms to ponder.

Intellect - The faculty of reasoning and understanding objectively. (We all like to think we are intelligent don't we? Prove it)
Objectivity - Free from bias. (You can be a fanatic and still have objective discussion)
Conversation - A talk, especially an informal one, between two or more people, in which news and ideas are exchanged. (Do I need to provide the definition of 'exchange' or can we figure it out?)

To Johnny... Good on ya for this thread. :bng:

I will take that to heart, Oak. I am trying.

MatthewT 02-22-2022 08:59 AM

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I spit coffee reading some of this stuff, y'all cracking me up this morning...

saintfan 02-22-2022 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 945487)
I will take that to heart, Oak. I am trying.

No Mr NPD. The only thing your trying to do is be a victim. Being trolled on the internet sucks, huh? Getting reported by other members when you're the victim of the troll sucks huh? Feeling me yet Mr Ego?

How are you trying? What are you trying? Let's hear it from you speedo.

In 5 minutes you'll be back to the behavior that got us here. That's what Narcissistic personality disorder does. You can have peace and the board can have peace when you acknowledge and apologize.

You know what you've done. All you have to do is read this thread. You know full well the attempts I have made via PM to get you to stop long before any of this started. You know. And I know. Not a single person here who has called me out has failed to mention how generally annoying you are, at a minimum.

Of course what I know is that you don't just do this here. You're on just about every fan board doing the same thing. See, you genuinely enjoy trolling, and in your deranged brain you think you're 'debating', and what's going to happen is that when the dust settles you will declare some sort of 'victory' and you'll be right back at your trolling and race baiting.

I know exactly what you are little speedo. Question is:

Are you willing to drop your disorder long enough to save your ego by acknowledging and apologizing for your own behavior? How much does peace here mean to you little man?

:popcorn:

44Champs 02-23-2022 03:14 PM

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Damn I've been away from this board for most of the season and come back to this.

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subguy 03-02-2022 05:43 AM

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Hopefully it is isolated to this thread...thanks to the OP

saintsfan1976 03-02-2022 06:52 AM

Re: Holy F****** S***!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 945478)
Guido's insufferable autofellatio comes in two distinct flavors. Blind optimism or sound bites from others and neither are conducive to an objective exchange of ideas. He does however, quite often, deliver other people's thoughts and clear up the grayness of some topics.

Guido - You are an idealist and I have found it very difficult to have a qualitative objective discussion with idealists. They tend to believe they are an authority on topics and the discussion is either a vehement agreement or disagreement, neither of which are appealing to people that enjoy throwing ideas around. You may want to start your own blog that might suit your style much better.

As far as Saintsfan, his crusade to open Guido's eyes can be a bit like that mosquito buzz in your ear we are all so familiar with but that is intentional and not his general M.O.. It never ends well for the mosquito, quite often leads to Google searches on 'how to build a flamethrower'.

Saintsfan - "Highroad" is all that I can say. Your efforts have been recognized but there is just no ground to be made.

As for me... I got lost a few years ago and it took some hard words from Papz, and three deaths in my close family inside of 6 weeks to open my eyes to what I genuinely value and what the person I want to be looks like. I know you are reading my opening line and asking 'WF you going on about'? LOL Well, we all have our nature don't we? I recognize that I can be caustic but try to turn it into something constructive... I find that caustic is an idea but if a little thought is applied it can be transformed into something useful.

A few terms to ponder.

Intellect - The faculty of reasoning and understanding objectively. (We all like to think we are intelligent don't we? Prove it)
Objectivity - Free from bias. (You can be a fanatic and still have objective discussion)
Conversation - A talk, especially an informal one, between two or more people, in which news and ideas are exchanged. (Do I need to provide the definition of 'exchange' or can we figure it out?)

To Johnny... Good on ya for this thread. :bng:

Great post and insight Oak. Respect.

I appreciate you taking time to articulate so well what many have not quite been able to put into words.

Hopefully we can all move on with respect for one another's ideas, opinions and viewpoints.

Rugby Saint II 03-02-2022 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 946048)
Great post and insight Oak. Respect.

I appreciate you taking time to articulate so well what many have not quite been able to put into words.

Hopefully we can all move on with respect for one another's ideas, opinions and viewpoints.

Hopefully we can move on from this trash talk and I can unblock saintfan because I really do think he knows quite a bit of info and I actually want to read it. If he stops this nonsense will some one please let me know so that I can unblock him? Thanks. :peace:

saintfan 03-02-2022 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 946072)
Hopefully we can move on from this trash talk and I can unblock saintfan because I really do think he knows quite a bit of info and I actually want to read it. If he stops this nonsense will some one please let me know so that I can unblock him? Thanks. :peace:

It's hardly nonsense to those who have been relentlessly and personally attacked by little speedo and those who have been targeted by his race baiting, and no, it won't stop until speedo acknowledges and apologizes. And I haven't even mentioned his tendency for plagiarism. Oh, and he'll have to actually stop too, which he STILL has not done. But..., if I may toot my own horn here, his attacks have been far fewer, likely because he sees me in his rearview mirror after every post he makes. That means that while you may have to block me, everyone here can post freely without little speedo's NPD ruining their experience.

Just keep me blocked until speedo stops brother - since you two are buds maybe you can convince him? Then you can get back to enjoying my posts the way God intended. :cool:

:bng:

iceshack149 03-02-2022 01:11 PM

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saintfan 03-02-2022 01:13 PM

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And somewhere, foreverfan is laughing his a$$ off.

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44Champs 03-02-2022 01:32 PM

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F**K How old are you 2 guys??

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