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Guido and Saintsfan please for the love all things stop this madness.

I have been on here forever and don't post a lot but I used to love coming here and reading what other fans had to say. It has become intolerable for the last year plus.

Guido, can you just simply try to reconcile the fact that you have rubbed people the wrong way for a good while and allow them their opinions and thoughts?

Saintsfan, brother you have proved the point but for the sake of everyone else on this board can we end the crusade on every single thread? Eventually your "point" loses it's value.

Good gracious guys, just act like good people and care for each other as Saints Fans! In the end that's all that matters here. Please don't make me leave this forum after 20+ years.

If either of you are inclined to respond, just please take a minute before doing so. I appreciate both of you and what you have to offer the forum, but this is for everyone.

Go Saints and WhoDat!

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Suffice it to say there is a point to be made, and I have most definitely made it. The problem is in making the point Speedo has turned it up full blast. To be clear any attempt to divide the board is juvenile, and that's what we're experiencing. He just can't stop it. I mean he really can.not.stop

You said it, and I'm going to re-re-post it:

This is, in fact, all it will take. Its necessary because simply ignoring the behavior means he will in time start attacking again. I have watched this happen precisely this way historically. He starts an argument, in his mind gets pinned in a corner, and then starts personally attacking. He then follows people around from one thread to the other harassing them until they complain or someone steps in.

Ironically, speedo is pretty much the only person here who formally reports anyone, and he reports a LOT of people for doing nothing more than engaging him in kind.

I can appreciate the drama my tactics have caused, and as I've stated I knew it going in and sincerely apologize to the rest of the board. As I have acknowledged in other threads, this is scorched Earth. It's why I have encouraged those annoyed by it to simply put me on iggy until this is over.

I'm not trying to win friends, cause anyone to choose a side, and I certainly have not had any part in the way most people here feel about little speedo. I want peace just like everyone else which is why this is happening funny enough.

It stops when speedo does precisely as you suggested and not before, because I don't care if he attacks me. I'm not going anywhere, but I do know of people who left here BECAUSE of speedo. I do care that this little fellow does something more than simply annoy people. People can no longer share their views here without being attacked by speedo.

The relentless posting of every damn tweet ever tweeted and flooding the board with all that crap is another issue, but it all goes back to his genuine need to feed his ego and play the victim role.

For the record, and just so everyone understands I and others have attempted to be reasonable with this little man, this is from 2018:

This came after multiple PMs trying to reason with him. My efforts of late only began a few months ago, after a few YEARS of trying to reason with the unreasonable. Here's his response:

Always the victim.

Again, I appreciate what everyone is currently seeing and some are annoyed with. Speedo has a very long history here, including race-baiting, which is when I decided to follow through. He will be along in a minute to tell you how he can not image why this is happening and how he's a poor victim. Wait for it...

Speedo is no victim.

Thanks,
Saintfan

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Jonny,

Neither side is listening to reason at this point. Both sides are entrenched and neither seems to be going anywhere or inclined to change their position. At this point the only solution for the rest of us is to set one or both of them, depending on how you feel about the situation, to ignore. I did so a couple of weeks ago and it has been much better since.

SFIAH

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Thanks for the input, jonny! I try my very best to keep all of my posts to Saints or other NFL related topics. I set that other guy to ignore, just like SFIAH and others have, several weeks ago. That is the simplest solution I guess. As far as I can tell it is all one-sided.

:bng:

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This has been a looooong time coming. Guido deserves everything he gets. He’s been a total douche to everyone here for years. I’m glad someone is pushing back just as hard.

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Well, I sincerely apologize to you, Dude.

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You need to apologize to the community, in a very non-generic way. This is how you will be held to account the next time your NPD overrides what common sense you may (or may not) have.

Then it's done. Not until.

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Right on time. No accountability. NPD. Get help Speedo. Guess we keep going.

I appreciate OP for trying. And everyone else who has been caught up in this. On we go...

:(

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Merika! Frick Yeah!!!

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The 'Edit Ignore List' button has become my greatest ally in the pissing wars!

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saintsfan suggested that I block him since he was unwilling to listen to the feelings and opinions from the rest of the board has on this matter. I've only had to read this BS when someone else quotes him. I'm very glad that I blocked him even though I liked what he has to say when he's not attacking Guido. Now the only time I have to listen to his hate speech is when someone else quotes him. Unfortunately, he's on a mission and would rather spoil everbody else's day so he can be spiteful. That's a shame.

I truly respect your post and agree 100%. Peace out. :peace:

EDIT: Guido can be a know it all but he shares a lot of useful information that I enjoy. I agree that he really could tone down being as argumentative. He respects other people's opinion even though his own opinion is right and he will make his case. Sometimes, I agree, that he can be a bit of a bully and could work on his people skills. Couldn't we all? :peace:

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For you my friend, I'm trying.

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So I've noticed a common thread in the posts coming from people who disagree with saintfan's actions. The way you each describe how his posts affect you are the same feelings that sooooooo many of us have felt about Guido for a really long time. Imagine putting up with this bs for years, cause that's what we've been doing. I appreciate the olive branch you extend to those of us who are fed up with Guido in your last paragraph, but your assessment of his behavior and the effect it has on the forum falls woefully short of hitting the mark. Speaking strictly in terms of this site, he is cancer. I'm not suggesting the man is entirely lacking any redeeming qualities in real life, I don't know him personally and couldn't say one way or another for certain. But I can say with all conviction that he brings no value to this place. Any value he attempts to bring is so vastly outweighed by the negativity that comes along with his presence that it becomes pointless to consider. You all greatly underestimate how sick of Guido so many of us are. I've witnessed dozens of people attempt to reason with him, I tried many times myself. There was a period of time when I thought perhaps I'd just judged him too harshly. I eased off on being so critical of him and even found that there were a few things we could agree on. But in the last few years it's gotten a lot worse. I blocked him well over a year ago, but he gets quoted so often (usually because he's stirring s**t with someone) that it almost doesn't matter. I don't know if it's because he just posts more often, therefore exponentially multiplying the opportunity to be cancerous, or if his attitude has just gotten that much worse..probably a bit of both is my guess. Regardless, he looms as a dark cloud over every thread and discussion, and he's been doing it for years.

So, forgive the rest of us if we seem like we don't care about how all this is making you feel, I get that it's unpleasant. But I kinda feel like it's the same way many of you have behaved towards those of us who are tired of putting up with this guy. You shrug off the fact that he has caused people to stop coming here, ignore the countless instances where he's hostile towards people for the crime of having an opinion. I can deal with a know it all, he is far worse than a know it all.

Keep fighting the good fight saintfan, you know you've got a lot of us in your corner.

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The difference I see in the current iteration is threefold. First is that saintfan goes after each and every post Guido puts up. Sometimes multiple posts as followup to a Guido post. Second each and every one is a personal attack at this point. And finally while each seems to be with the intent of driving Guido off the board, it isn't working. And it's not working because Guido has put saintfan on ignore, as many of the others of us has.

At this point it's just an annoyance with no purpose other than saintfan having this "scorched earth" campaign.

Can you point me to a current thread where Guido is "hostile towards people for the crime of having an opinion"? I've seen previous threads where Guido has gone "La-La-La I'm the Saints sunshine man". But I don't recall seeing this recently.

I really feel this is just a situation where a poster just talks a whole bunch and it irritates some people. But what is going on now isn't a solution. Which is why quite a few of us are calling for a stop to the shenanigans.

I've actually been taking saintfan off ignore here to read what he's been writing. I understand his frustration. But personally attacking each and every post in each and every thread isn't getting this situation anywhere.

SFIAH

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This is the issue.
A leopard can't change its spots and Guido can't help but be an awful person that has ruined many conversations here.

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I believe I have apologized to you for that, iceshack. I will apologize again, however. To be honest that was a dark time for me when that was going on. On top of all that an all out attack was going on against Brees for his apology. You know me. An attack on Brees is an attack on me. It is a weakness I have, my illogical love for all that is Saints.

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If we were Mickey Loomis, the solution to this problem would be obvious, pay both $10-20 million a year to remain active on the forum for the next decade but structure the deal so it doesn’t affect this years cap but makes it impossible for either of them to be let go. Then turn off the new members registration feature because we already have too many great posters and there simply isn’t the space on this board that exists for more posts that every other teams forum has.

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That's timestamped close to 18 months ago. I did specifically ask for something current. I'm trying to figure out what triggered this current ground assault.

SFIAH

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You apologized over a year after calling me an awful name. You left it out there and didn't care that everyone saw it and may have been influenced by it.
That's why I said that a leopard can't change its spots. It's not new behavior. It's constant.

And honestly, if someone here called you a racist without reason and didn't make an effort to publicly say that they were out of line, will you shrug your shoulders and say that it's not a big deal? That's a :censored: move and I'm not quick to get over it.

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The people responsible for you as a child failed you speedo. This is not an apology, but it is your standard response you try to pass off an as apology, time and time (and time and time) again. And as anyone who knows anyone who's been through AA, step #9 is the apology step. Thing is, at some point you have to stop apologizing and address the underlying behavior.

No, what this is is an excuse, textbook NPD bull****. Actually, it's excuses. Plural.

Need some help? What is it, PRECISELY, that you're apologizing for? What do you plan to DO about it - how are you going to rectify the situation? You can't make excuses and you sure as hell can't blame someone else for your own behavior. My son is almost 12 and he understands this.

There is NO ROOM for "here's why I did it". Again no quarter will be given. OWN IT, little speedo. You have no choice at this point. Can you see it yet? Try watching Dr Phil or reading some Tony Robbins if you're too scared to seek real help.

By the way, you have openly DENIED this race-baiting bull****, and yet here you are, merely weeks post denial, trying to pass of this bull**** as an apology. This is one example of MANY examples. How can this be you little race-baiter?

I have stopped short of providing examples in the threads out of respect for grown men and women who can choose to fight their own battels with you, or not, in the manner they choose. The examples are many though, and the time frame spans YEARS you little turd. I am here (and I'm NOT going away) to protect the very thing Rugby suggests I am not considering:

All due respect I said nothing of the sort. Actually, I suggested you put me on iggy because I know this is disruptive but clearly it needs to be done and I respect your peace. Just so we're clear sir.

Speedo IS going to stop, hell or high water, exactly because he does not respect the feelings and opinions of others here, and precisely because of the ad hominem attacks and race baiting on display in THIS thread - which he STILL denies, YEARS after I asked him to stop.

I appreciate everyone's patience. Limited progress so far. This little fool will stop. Period. When he does peace will be restored and we'll all be eating Rainbow Stew.

:bng:

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Well, seeing saintfan again posted I'll assume his attack continues. I'm bowing out of this. He can keep it up all he wants. I'm not addressing it again. I'm going to continue sharing Saints news to and from the reasonable members here. I would suggest taking the advice of others here and simply "ignore" any nuisance. Ask them and they'll be happy to let you know how.

Good evening, all!

:bng:

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If that's all you did here none of this would be happening. Probably been waiting all day to see my name in this thread. LOL

STILL can't own it. NPD little speedo. You're ate up with it.

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I’ll say Guido has been extremely kind and supportive of me on and off the forums.

I’ve had positive interactions with saintsfan as well. I can’t really remember who all I’ve had heated arguments with over the years, but in recent memory I don’t remember us ever having any major issues.

I think they both contribute in their own unique ways. Guido is a true die hard that tends to view our team through rose colored glasses.

Saintfan seems to have good knowledge of the team and appears to be an intelligent guy. At the end of the day we could all just put them on ignore if it’s that bothersome, but I do agree that it should probably come to an end.

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This is not saintfan vs speedo. That's just how speedo wants it framed so he can play the victim role. This is absolutely about speedo's refusal to (a) own his behavior here and (b) rectify it. At the moment, and as you can see, he's blaming any and every other thing for his own issues - even Drew Brees. :bugeyes:

This stops when that stops here. What he does on his own time is up to him, but here, people are no longer going to be attacked and called racist or whatever else he lobs at them for doing nothing more than disagreeing with his ego.

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Kind of reminds me of.....

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:banana:

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I am not a fan of how Guido has interacted with me and I know I’m not the only one. On the flip side I’ve never had issues with saintsfan and I haven’t noticed anyone else having issues with him except as it relates to his interactions with Guido.

I can’t help but notice the common thread.

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I've had issues with Saintfan. Oh wait...that was you...trying to act like Irish and Scots are different! You're all the same!

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Here we are, a three page post all about Guido. He is eating up every minute of it because he’s getting the attention he’s been seeking for years. Makes him feel very important.
He has been much better as far as the negative, antagonistic, and belittling comments now that SF has castrated him. SF has done his job. At this point it’s probably just giving Guido attention. Guido says he has SF on ignore but he’s full of ****. He may use the ignore function but his ego won’t let him keep it on. He hits refresh over and over to make sure he is the topic of conversation so he can prop up his self esteem. If it were me I would wait until Guido slips up and then start calling him out on it immediately.
And I agree with the sentiment that what SF does is just a very small dose of the crap we all have had to endure from Guido for years.

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If I wasn't well-versed with people with NPD I might feel sorry for him, but that's a waste of time - he has no soul. He lives in a fake world made up by him to suit his own self, everyone else be damned. Any decency he may display is purely to feed his own ego. That's why he saddles up next to anyone who offers him a bone and tries to make 'allies' on the internet pitting one against the other - a passive-aggressive proxy fight. He will tell you exactly what you want to hear if he thinks it will help him, and when he's challenged in any way he becomes the protagonist in his own little play in his warped head. What's amazing about NPD is that even though he's confronted with the very thing he denies, right in front of his face on his computer, he STILL can't see it.

Any bs "apology" is a means to a narcissistic end. The limited support he's been getting is like pouring fuel on the fire, and even in those cases it is acknowledged by those people that he "rubs people the wrong way", which is a gross understatement. And still he can't stop.

He will sign his own death warrant in time so long as the pressure continues to be applied, but he will likely never see his own issues. Stopping now would only give him the sensation that he's weathered the storm and empower him to return to his old behavior. That's how he sees himself as "winning", and he must win. To him its like a drug.

He claims to love this place, but clearly he loves himself more. N.P.D.

I don't know who you are speedo, but I know WHAT you are little man, and you know I know, and it's driving you crazy ain't it? Good.

Hillary was right after all. It takes a village. Bleh...now I've gotta go wash my mouth out with soap...

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Saw a pic of him once posing with Streif who I’m sure Guido tried to wow with knowledge. Guido was all high on this lineman we picked up, can’t remember the name. He swore up and down this dude would be a stud and slammed anyone who thought otherwise. I don’t think he even made the team.

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MY EXPERIENCE WITH HIM:

I don't even remember what the thread was about but I dared to play "Devil's Advocate" and offer an alternative take. I was chastised by him on the forum as well as in a personal message( containing many backhanded compliments) for "Not considering my audience" and how the casual fan who should stumble on my response would take it as the "TRUTH". In spite of the fact that his favorite XM Show Moving The Chains hosts Pat Kirwan and Jim Miller routinely play devil's advocate. My response to that was anyone who takes anything posted here as the truth without doing their own research should turn in their Fan Card.

In other posts he babbled on about how he couldn't remember the last time he was wrong. Using his own posts I tried to show him the error of his ways. For my trouble all I got was the eye roll and his diagnoses that I was mentally ill.

He's as clever as he is annoying notice the disclaimer about an incoming coach keeping the existing defensive coordinator. "To my knowledge no incoming head coach has kept the DC from the previous staff." A quick Google search would have helped his remark. I live in Indy now and know all it took was look no further than Frank Reich HC of the Colts who was hired after Josh McDaniels left them at the altar. McDaniels had hired three coaches. The DC Matt Eberflus now Bears Head Coach as well as the other two were kept by Reich. Yet other members comment on his supplying so much informative information?

It's arrogance like that which has gotten under the skin of so many. He is this forums version of Whack A Mole, you can land your shots but he keeps POPPING UP AND OFF.

Until YOU are the victim of one of his attacks you can't understand the frustration he can generate.

He may very well be a "nice guy" in person but that doesn't justify his actions on this forum.

Mr. Know It All doesn't and when he knows he doesn't he'll never admit it.

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It may not be a “Current thread” but here is an example from a
couple weeks ago.

On Jan 13th of this year, K Major made the following post about CGJ:

“Ceedy is wired differently. Flat out dawg. Hope he remains a Saint for a long time.”

Guido follows up with:

So, I point out about their altercation:

To which He responds through KMajor:


So, I don’t consider pointing out what I did “making something out of nothing”. If ANY other user would have said what Guido did I would hame made the same reply (minus the blocking me bit). And their response (if any) would likely have been something like “That’s true” or “Good point”. Instead Guido attacks me.

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My ex wife is as evil as Hitler - but she has 'friends' who are loyal to her because (a) she turns that on when she needs to, and she's very good at it and (b) they likely have a little bit of evil in them too. Like minds, and all that jazz.

She didn't fool the judge though, because judges are trained to see it. I was educated by our evaluator during the custody eval. I learned some enlightening things. I have been trained to see it too. Sadly, I see it in a lot of people.

Everything you just described, everything everyone else has described, and my own personal experience with speedo points to NPD. It is a mental health disorder, and with all my tongue in cheekieness, speedo really should be in therapy. These things are deep rooted.

You can ignore them after the divorce, but not until because they won't leave you alone. They enjoy the misery they produce. They crave it. It gives them a feeling of power, to effect another person in that way.

Speedo claims to love this place, and I'm sure he does, but not because he's part of a community of people who love the Saints - no this is where he comes to play radio host. This is where he comes to feed off others - to bolster his ego and any expense.

Funny how he's denied race-baiting here over and over again while at the same time race baiting over and over again.

Maybe this thread will be a place where others come to share their experiences with him. Maybe there are younger people on this board who don't yet have the life experiences of dealing with NPD. Possibly they'll find it helpful as in, oh yeah, I know a guy at work who is simply unreasonable.

Once you let these people in your life it can be extremely difficult to purge them.

Happy to see others sharing their experience, and not because I'm trying to 'win' anything. I just want him to stop, and as it has been observed he hasn't been attacking anyone lately. Instead he's being sweet as syrup to everyone because he wants them on 'his side' - again, trying to turn this into a me vs him thing which it is not.

Keeping the pressure on him is how to stop that particular issue. Let him keep attacking me. He will sway the views of a few. He's not the only NPD in the room sad to say, but no more race baiting. Not much I can do on his practice of flooding the board with stupid tweets. He's been called out by a few for this - hopefully more will step up and voice their opinions, because his ONLY response at this point will be an apology - fake as his apologies are, but he won't be attacking them anymore. I guess that means that, despite the drama it's caused, it's working. :p

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You ain't blocked bro. NPD speedo likes to brag that he's blocked so and so but he pays attention. He thrives on the discord.

As a 'moderator' here I don't moderate much, and until a couple weeks ago I have never used the tools here to 'ding' anyone - I rarely even send a PM. Most people who blast the forum like speedo eventually move on. Just to get under his paper-thin skin I learned how to use the tool and dinged him some points and he immediately (a) PMd a few of the other moderators here to complain and then (b) PMd me to tell me he told on me. Bah hahahaha

I figure his mental health age is somewhere around 8 years old. Maybe younger. I suspect his childhood was not as great as he would ever acknowledge.

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I get the premise of what's going on here, but this back and forth, from 2 Members that I'd rather not set to Ignore, is getting real tiresome now.

There's something to be said for not stooping to a troublemakers level, its getting extremely childish.

I visit this forum to read interesting articles, news and discuss with other fans. I deleted Twitter due to the toxic people masked as Saints fan with an alternative agenda of attacking each other. Its sad to see a place I enjoy coming to daily, turning into what Saints Twitter became.

I'm close to taking a few months away from this site now, which is a shame because 98% of us get on day to day.

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I'm starting to wonder if we're all going to have to leave and let them have it. It's clear that neither is planning on changing behavior to the point where this will stop.

I'm confused by the fact that saintfan is charging NPD, but is exhibiting behavior that actually feeds that disorder. Typically, the way to get to a narcissist is to not engage with them. So, I ask again what's the point.

I taught all my children that you can't change other people's behavior, only your response to it. I just don't see this barrage having any effect on Guido, while clearly it's affecting the rest of denizens on the site.

What's the end game here? Because saintfan has stated he wants peace. And it looks like that peace only exists for him with Guido gone. And Guido isn't going anywhere.

Given that, how do we put an end to this?

SFIAH

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Answer: Speedo stops race-baiting and stops attacking people. Sadly little speedo is still in denial mode. Still refuses to admit what he's done and clearly has no plans to stop on his own. So I'm his target. I'm his nemesis. I'm the diversion that stops him from running people away. I'm the one he can attack - I'm the one he can use to try to divide the board.

Ignoring NPD works fine unless you have to see them every day. In that case you have to draw a line in the sand and defend it to hell and back, and that is the only way.

I and others have tried ignoring him and his behavior has become increasingly worse because he is empowered in his disorder. As a moderator I have been approached by people who are tired of having this disordered man berate their every comment. Tired of him reporting their posts as the victim when he's the instigator. As a moderator I left him alone literally for years hoping that he, like some before him, just washed out and went away.

He's NOT going to use the board to feed his disorder anymore. Sure I can ignore him. I would like to suggest that if you're the one seeing all the reports he's made against others here - if you're the one getting PMd by people who want to know what gives, if you're that guy what would YOU do?

It's necessary. If speedo cared at all about this board he'd effing stop. Everybody here knows what he does. Therefore everyone here should take a stand and put a stop to this madness.

I'm not trying to make speedo a better person. That ship sailed, probably about the time he turned 4. I AM going to stop him from his attacking and race baiting. When is the last time you saw him do what is on display in this very thread to anyone other than me?

You're welcome.

:bng: