Alvin Kamara Arrested

K Major · 03-03-2023, 12:22 PM

LMAO, sir Smash!

You are wild!!

AsylumGuido · 03-03-2023, 12:42 PM

halloween 65 · 03-03-2023, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I kind of get what you are saying, diz, but watch the video again. After a few seconds Kamara backs off while the other three keep at it with far more intensity. There are different levels of culpability here and that's why there are different levels of charges. And, as rezburna pointed out, Kamara's guilty plea wasn't a declaration that he did nothing. It included what is a legal reasoning behind his actions that has to be proven to be false by the prosecution ... beyond a shadow of doubt.

As for defending Kamara, it's not only because of the innocent unless proven guilty to me. It's also because of how important the Saints are in my life. Over the last 55 plus years they have become a very important part of my life. It's almost as if I see the whole organization as part of an extended family. I will always stand for and protect my family. That's simply my motivation.

I know most everyone here are fans of the Saints, but each has his or her own take of what that fandom entails. I've seen several long time members of the board here simply hang up their banners and leave during the player protest period. They washed their hands of the Saints and moved on. Clearly their involvement as fans was not as deeply rooted as mine. There is nothing wrong with that, of course, but it's there.

I believe others look at the team as an abstract. A source of entertainment of which they truly enjoy, but with the players and staff being nothing more than pieces on a board that are easily discarded and replaced. They probably even love the abstract as a whole, but its components are nothing more than just that, means to an end.

He might have back off but had went after him then hit him 3 to 4 times before the other thugs dropped in to finish the beatdown. He instagated the beating by going after a fleeing dude, punched him kept hitting him when he was down, the thugs finished what Kamara started. Then gets in uber and brags about beating someone no where near a professional athelete's shape. Guilty, guilty as he!!. Those rose colored glasses u wear wouldn't be so rosy if that had been u or ur kid getting that a$$ whipped like that now would it?

K Major · 03-03-2023, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Those rose colored glasses u wear wouldn't be so rosy if that had been u or ur kid getting that a$$ whipped like that now would it?

Precisely.

rezburna · 03-03-2023, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

He might have back off but had went after him then hit him 3 to 4 times before the other thugs dropped in to finish the beatdown. He instagated the beating by going after a fleeing dude, punched him kept hitting him when he was down, the thugs finished what Kamara started. Then gets in uber and brags about beating someone no where near a professional athelete's shape. Guilty, guilty as he!!. Those rose colored glasses u wear wouldn't be so rosy if that had been u or ur kid getting that a$$ whipped like that now would it?

I agree with the part of it being my kid. If it was my kid I’m waging war. It ain’t though. He should have just extorted him for money and went about his life.

subguy · 03-04-2023, 07:29 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I kind of get what you are saying, diz, but watch the video again. After a few seconds Kamara backs off while the other three keep at it with far more intensity. There are different levels of culpability here and that's why there are different levels of charges. And, as rezburna pointed out, Kamara's guilty plea wasn't a declaration that he did nothing. It included what is a legal reasoning behind his actions that has to be proven to be false by the prosecution ... beyond a shadow of doubt.

As for defending Kamara, it's not only because of the innocent unless proven guilty to me. It's also because of how important the Saints are in my life. Over the last 55 plus years they have become a very important part of my life. It's almost as if I see the whole organization as part of an extended family. I will always stand for and protect my family. That's simply my motivation.

I know most everyone here are fans of the Saints, but each has his or her own take of what that fandom entails. I've seen several long time members of the board here simply hang up their banners and leave during the player protest period. They washed their hands of the Saints and moved on. Clearly their involvement as fans was not as deeply rooted as mine. There is nothing wrong with that, of course, but it's there.

I believe others look at the team as an abstract. A source of entertainment of which they truly enjoy, but with the players and staff being nothing more than pieces on a board that are easily discarded and replaced. They probably even love the abstract as a whole, but its components are nothing more than just that, means to an end.

I think there is so much irony today in the era of cell cam videos.

First, no one does the right thing and help anyone, we would rather film it, that is so messed up. Although, there would have been no help in the video I saw because everyone was too busy taking whacks at the defenseless piñata.

As a fan, I love Kamara, as part of the human race, I loathe his actions in this specific situation, at least from what I have seen in the videos released.

The legal system will allow for posturing and negotiation, as it should. A non-guilty verdict doesn't mean he wasn't part of the defenseless beating, that is irrefutable. In some folks mind, our system is only fair, when the ruling goes the direction they want it to go. OJ.

Which leads me to the second point. Video is now used as a narrative. We only see what they want us to see. I didn't see a complete video showing the catalyst which caused the beating. That said, there is a point where defending yourself, or your bruised ego, has gone too far. Kind of like many of the "undeserved" beatings seen in cell videos. It looks horrific, and is, and then the complete video or bodycam footage is released and you realize in the vast majority of these situations it could have been avoided with respect and compliance. If Kamara started out as a victim in this situation the tide sure changed.

In the limo immediately following the beating, the optics are bad. The group was a little too jovial considering what had just occurred, at least in the little clip shared.

As a Saints fan I hope this all works out well for the team, but as a human with some lingering faith in the justice system, I hope real justice is served regardless of which way this falls.

vpheughan · 03-04-2023, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted with EXTREME, UNREASONING ENTHUSIASM by: AsylumGuido:

AsylumGuido: "Over the last 55 plus years (EXTREME) they have become a very important part of my life. It's almost as if I see the whole organization as part of an extended family. I will always stand for and protect my family." (UNREASONING ENTHUSIASM )

AsylumGuido: "After a few seconds Kamara backs off ("I will always stand for and protect my family.") while the other three keep at it with far more intensity......................."

Completely ignoring that another human being was on the receiving end of the "INTENSITY". After all "he wasn't family" was he?

FANATIC
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AsylumGuido · 03-04-2023, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by vpheughan

Originally Posted with EXTREME, UNREASONING ENTHUSIASM by: AsylumGuido:

AsylumGuido: "Over the last 55 plus years (EXTREME) they have become a very important part of my life. It's almost as if I see the whole organization as part of an extended family. I will always stand for and protect my family." (UNREASONING ENTHUSIASM )

AsylumGuido: "After a few seconds Kamara backs off ("I will always stand for and protect my family.") while the other three keep at it with far more intensity......................."

Completely ignoring that another human being was on the receiving end of the "INTENSITY". After all "he wasn't family" was he?

FANATIC
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noun
A person marked or motivated by an EXTREME, UNREASONING ENTUSIASIM, as for a cause. ("HIS" SAINTS)

The fanatic part is correct. You, of course, know that's the source of the term "fan", right?

As for 55 years being "EXTREME", it can be deemed extreme, I suppose. In the Spring of 1967 my father was transferred via the USAF to Barksdale AFB in Louisiana. I was nine years old. I soon discovered my new home was getting an NFL team and I was onboard as a "fan" from day one. That was 55 years ago.

Yes, I proudly wear the title of being a "fanatic" about MY Saints. And I really don't care a bit what you or anyone else thinks about that.

AsylumGuido · 03-23-2023, 09:35 AM

The conspiracy charge is realistically the only one of the two that could apply to Kamara. It sounds like they may have a case to have that charge thrown out, as well. There's a chance that he may not be facing any suspension whatsoever.

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Rugby Saint II · 03-27-2023, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

He might have back off but had went after him then hit him 3 to 4 times before the other thugs dropped in to finish the beatdown. He instagated the beating by going after a fleeing dude, punched him kept hitting him when he was down, the thugs finished what Kamara started. Then gets in uber and brags about beating someone no where near a professional athelete's shape. Guilty, guilty as he!!. Those rose colored glasses u wear wouldn't be so rosy if that had been u or ur kid getting that a$$ whipped like that now would it?

I'm not so sure that the instigator was fleeing the scene or being knocked out of the elevator by AK. There is no doubt that AK should have let it go, but the dude was harassing them all night and apparently Kamara had enough when he started touching a female in the group.

My first martial arts instructor told me that if you get the better of a man then you should finish the fight before you let him get up even madder than when he started the fight. I still follow that philosophy when I teach my martial arts classes.

With the advent of cell phones no one wants to get involved and would rather post videos of altercations for clicks. It's sad. You can't even put a bully in their place anymore because all the judges care about now is a clip of a video with no relevance to who started it.

My twin brother and I were bullied badly as boys and my parents put us in martial arts to learn to defend ourselves and others. Children can be so mean and they grow up to be mean people who raise mean kids.

I'm not advocating beating up bullies but I certainly understand the mentality of the abused. We'll let this play out in court. Not the court of public opinion.

Edit: This wasn't some boy who got beat down. He was a full grown man with an antagonistic attitude that flowed over to his social media, and is readily available if anyone wants to read it. Yes, he is somebody's son like you mentioned but once again, he is still a full grown man who put himself in that situation with his poor decision making. Kamara put himself in court with poor decision making as well.

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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Alvin Kamara Arrested Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I kind of get what you are saying, diz, but watch the video again. After a few seconds Kamara backs off while the other three keep at it with far more intensity. There are different levels of culpability here and that's why there are different levels of charges. And, as rezburna pointed out, Kamara's guilty plea wasn't a declaration that he did nothing. It included what is a legal reasoning behind his actions that has to be proven to be false by the prosecution ... beyond a shadow of doubt. As for defending Kamara, it's not only because of the innocent unless proven guilty to me. It's also because of how important the Saints are in my life. Over the last 55 plus years they have become a very important part of my life. It's almost as if I see the whole organization as part of an extended family. I will always stand for and protect my family. That's simply my motivation. I know most everyone here are fans of the Saints, but each has his or her own take of what that fandom entails. I've seen several long time members of the board here simply hang up their banners and leave during the player protest period. They washed their hands of the Saints and moved on. Clearly their involvement as fans was not as deeply rooted as mine. There is nothing wrong with that, of course, but it's there. I believe others look at the team as an abstract. A source of entertainment of which they truly enjoy, but with the players and staff being nothing more than pieces on a board that are easily discarded and replaced. They probably even love the abstract as a whole, but its components are nothing more than just that, means to an end. He might have back off but had went after him then hit him 3 to 4 times before the other thugs dropped in to finish the beatdown. He instagated the beating by going after a fleeing dude, punched him kept hitting him when he was down, the thugs finished what Kamara started. Then gets in uber and brags about beating someone no where near a professional athelete's shape. Guilty, guilty as he!!. Those rose colored glasses u wear wouldn't be so rosy if that had been u or ur kid getting that a$$ whipped like that now would it? iceshack149, jnormand and mapcow like this.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Alvin Kamara Arrested Originally Posted by halloween 65 Those rose colored glasses u wear wouldn't be so rosy if that had been u or ur kid getting that a$$ whipped like that now would it? Precisely. jnormand and mapcow like this.

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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,935	Re: Alvin Kamara Arrested Originally Posted by halloween 65 He might have back off but had went after him then hit him 3 to 4 times before the other thugs dropped in to finish the beatdown. He instagated the beating by going after a fleeing dude, punched him kept hitting him when he was down, the thugs finished what Kamara started. Then gets in uber and brags about beating someone no where near a professional athelete's shape. Guilty, guilty as he!!. Those rose colored glasses u wear wouldn't be so rosy if that had been u or ur kid getting that a$$ whipped like that now would it? I agree with the part of it being my kid. If it was my kid I’m waging war. It ain’t though. He should have just extorted him for money and went about his life. Rugby Saint II likes this.

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03-04-2023, 07:29 AM	#336
subguy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: FL Posts: 2,095	Re: Alvin Kamara Arrested Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I kind of get what you are saying, diz, but watch the video again. After a few seconds Kamara backs off while the other three keep at it with far more intensity. There are different levels of culpability here and that's why there are different levels of charges. And, as rezburna pointed out, Kamara's guilty plea wasn't a declaration that he did nothing. It included what is a legal reasoning behind his actions that has to be proven to be false by the prosecution ... beyond a shadow of doubt. As for defending Kamara, it's not only because of the innocent unless proven guilty to me. It's also because of how important the Saints are in my life. Over the last 55 plus years they have become a very important part of my life. It's almost as if I see the whole organization as part of an extended family. I will always stand for and protect my family. That's simply my motivation. I know most everyone here are fans of the Saints, but each has his or her own take of what that fandom entails. I've seen several long time members of the board here simply hang up their banners and leave during the player protest period. They washed their hands of the Saints and moved on. Clearly their involvement as fans was not as deeply rooted as mine. There is nothing wrong with that, of course, but it's there. I believe others look at the team as an abstract. A source of entertainment of which they truly enjoy, but with the players and staff being nothing more than pieces on a board that are easily discarded and replaced. They probably even love the abstract as a whole, but its components are nothing more than just that, means to an end. I think there is so much irony today in the era of cell cam videos. First, no one does the right thing and help anyone, we would rather film it, that is so messed up. Although, there would have been no help in the video I saw because everyone was too busy taking whacks at the defenseless piñata. As a fan, I love Kamara, as part of the human race, I loathe his actions in this specific situation, at least from what I have seen in the videos released. The legal system will allow for posturing and negotiation, as it should. A non-guilty verdict doesn't mean he wasn't part of the defenseless beating, that is irrefutable. In some folks mind, our system is only fair, when the ruling goes the direction they want it to go. OJ. Which leads me to the second point. Video is now used as a narrative. We only see what they want us to see. I didn't see a complete video showing the catalyst which caused the beating. That said, there is a point where defending yourself, or your bruised ego, has gone too far. Kind of like many of the "undeserved" beatings seen in cell videos. It looks horrific, and is, and then the complete video or bodycam footage is released and you realize in the vast majority of these situations it could have been avoided with respect and compliance. If Kamara started out as a victim in this situation the tide sure changed. In the limo immediately following the beating, the optics are bad. The group was a little too jovial considering what had just occurred, at least in the little clip shared. As a Saints fan I hope this all works out well for the team, but as a human with some lingering faith in the justice system, I hope real justice is served regardless of which way this falls. iceshack149 and Rugby Saint II like this.
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vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,524	Re: Alvin Kamara Arrested Originally Posted with EXTREME, UNREASONING ENTHUSIASM* by: AsylumGuido:* AsylumGuido: "Over the last 55 plus years (EXTREME) they have become a very important part of my life. It's almost as if I see the whole organization as part of an extended family. I will always stand for and protect my family." (UNREASONING ENTHUSIASM ) *AsylumGuido:* "After a few seconds Kamara backs off ("I will always stand for and protect my family.") while the other three keep at it with far more intensity......................." Completely ignoring that another human being was on the receiving end of the "INTENSITY". After all "he wasn't family" was he? FANATIC fə-năt′ĭk noun A person marked or motivated by an EXTREME, UNREASONING ENTUSIASIM, as for a cause. ("HIS" SAINTS) AsylumGuido and K Major like this.
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03-04-2023, 01:42 PM	#338
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Alvin Kamara Arrested Originally Posted by vpheughan Originally Posted with EXTREME, UNREASONING ENTHUSIASM* by: AsylumGuido:* AsylumGuido: "Over the last 55 plus years (EXTREME) they have become a very important part of my life. It's almost as if I see the whole organization as part of an extended family. I will always stand for and protect my family." (UNREASONING ENTHUSIASM ) *AsylumGuido:* "After a few seconds Kamara backs off ("I will always stand for and protect my family.") while the other three keep at it with far more intensity......................." Completely ignoring that another human being was on the receiving end of the "INTENSITY". After all "he wasn't family" was he? FANATIC fə-năt′ĭk noun A person marked or motivated by an EXTREME, UNREASONING ENTUSIASIM, as for a cause. ("HIS" SAINTS) The fanatic part is correct. You, of course, know that's the source of the term "fan", right? As for 55 years being "EXTREME", it can be deemed extreme, I suppose. In the Spring of 1967 my father was transferred via the USAF to Barksdale AFB in Louisiana. I was nine years old. I soon discovered my new home was getting an NFL team and I was onboard as a "fan" from day one. That was 55 years ago. Yes, I proudly wear the title of being a "fanatic" about MY Saints. And I really don't care a bit what you or anyone else thinks about that.
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03-23-2023, 09:35 AM	#339
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: Alvin Kamara Arrested Twitter The conspiracy charge is realistically the only one of the two that could apply to Kamara. It sounds like they may have a case to have that charge thrown out, as well. There's a chance that he may not be facing any suspension whatsoever. Twitter rezburna likes this.

03-27-2023, 02:23 PM	#340
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: Alvin Kamara Arrested Originally Posted by halloween 65 He might have back off but had went after him then hit him 3 to 4 times before the other thugs dropped in to finish the beatdown. He instagated the beating by going after a fleeing dude, punched him kept hitting him when he was down, the thugs finished what Kamara started. Then gets in uber and brags about beating someone no where near a professional athelete's shape. Guilty, guilty as he!!. Those rose colored glasses u wear wouldn't be so rosy if that had been u or ur kid getting that a$$ whipped like that now would it? I'm not so sure that the instigator was fleeing the scene or being knocked out of the elevator by AK. There is no doubt that AK should have let it go, but the dude was harassing them all night and apparently Kamara had enough when he started touching a female in the group. My first martial arts instructor told me that if you get the better of a man then you should finish the fight before you let him get up even madder than when he started the fight. I still follow that philosophy when I teach my martial arts classes. With the advent of cell phones no one wants to get involved and would rather post videos of altercations for clicks. It's sad. You can't even put a bully in their place anymore because all the judges care about now is a clip of a video with no relevance to who started it. My twin brother and I were bullied badly as boys and my parents put us in martial arts to learn to defend ourselves and others. Children can be so mean and they grow up to be mean people who raise mean kids. I'm not advocating beating up bullies but I certainly understand the mentality of the abused. We'll let this play out in court. Not the court of public opinion. Edit: This wasn't some boy who got beat down. He was a full grown man with an antagonistic attitude that flowed over to his social media, and is readily available if anyone wants to read it. Yes, he is somebody's son like you mentioned but once again, he is still a full grown man who put himself in that situation with his poor decision making. Kamara put himself in court with poor decision making as well. rezburna likes this.
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