Pete Carmichael maybe out as OC
 

This is very interesting, I assume we will be hearing more about this in the near future:

https://nfltraderumors.co/pete-carmi...e-coordinator/

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Nah, probably + asst HC

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Why would Carmichael turn down the interview for head coach just to be cut loose? I can possibly see him as associate head coach. It's been a pretty common practice with the Saints.

What if the extra long interview with Bieniemy was convincing him to become the OC in some manner?

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That was my initial thought. Bienemy to us as OC/ asst. HC. Why else would he leave? And what QB could he be most excited to work with??

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Jameis Winston, perhaps?

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I could be completely wrong but for Eric to leave a franchise QB, stud WRs #1-4, stud TE and potent run game for New Orleans ? ... To take a lateral move?

That's a hard sell.

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Unless enough money is thrown at him

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Money AND recognition could do it. One of the knocks I kept hearing on him was that his success was dependent upon Reid, Mahomes, and those offensive weapons. Reinvigorating a Saints offense would really enhance his chances of landing a head coaching job sooner rather than later, wouldn't you think?

And being THE man with the offense wouldn't be a lateral move in that sense.

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Another thought on Carmichael. If he truly has no longer has ambitions to become a head coach what difference would a title be to him? As long as the money is right staying with the Saints in any capacity would be a possibility.

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Yes, the article did state that he was likely to remain in a different role. If all this holds true, it will show DA has a very different image of what the new offense should be. Very interesting stuff!

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This article may have a little more insight:

https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2022...-doug-marrone/

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From the article above:

"And, hey, Eric Bieniemy is a free agent with his Kansas City Chiefs contract expiring, per NFL Network’s Tom Pelissero. It’s very possible that he and the Saints discussed hiring him as offensive coordinator for a different head coach during their eight-hour interview last weekend. It may look like a lateral move on its surface, but the Saints could sweeten the deal by naming Bieniemy assistant head coach, doubling his salary, and/or giving him full autonomy on his side of the ball. Teams haven’t wanted to hire him as a head coach after working so well in Andy Reid’s shadow. Building his own brand in New Orleans could be what Bieniemy needs to get his own head coaching job someday."

This all sounds familiar.

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Maybe we could get Andy Reid as our OC, Nick Saban as director of college scouting, Bill Parcells to come out of retirement as our DC, and likewise Bienemy would take a small demotion to assistant coach to work specifically with our talented enthusiastic receiver group. It all seems equally likely. But then again maybe if Bienemy wants to put himself in a challenging role to earn recognition, going to facebook and developing a content moderation policy everyone can agree on would be a little more straightforward than building an offense around our receivers and qb situation.

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Surprised at the number of guys wondering about QB. Payton never missed an opportunity to state his view that Taysom was up to the job. He didn't get the job because (in my view) he agreed with many posters here that Taysom was more valuable as a joker - DUE TO THE FACT that we were definitely lacking skill players this year and Winston was serviceable. His win loss record is pretty good considering his COLD OFF THE BENCH QB Play in 2020 was 3 and 1 in his FIRST EVER WORK as starter, and in 2021 it was again 3 and 1 with SCRUBS PLAYING that were worse than the ones that Simeon lost 4 games with.
My take: spend the money on recievers/offensive line and give Hill a REAL opportunity.

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Nobody has mentioned the possibility that Sean Payton retired from the NFL to take the MCAT, apply to medical schools, and become a doctor. If Sean can correctly predict that a soon 32 year old Taysom Hill who has been injured in every season as a full time college or pro starter and most seasons as a part timer and is coming off a lisfranc injury and multi-week concussion and primarily has plus skills as a physical running threat can become a productive long term starting QB in this league, Sean should strongly consider becoming a medical doctor. If he is not considering this, he should count his blessings that Drews shoulder held up when Drew was already a pro bowl level QB and not fall into the trap of beginners luck in gambling and force that addiction on our franchise because he rolled a few sevens his first time at the craps table. Drew Brees had one injury and a safe style of play and was 27 and already quite proven when he joined the Saints. Taysom Hill will be 32 next season, has a long history of injuries, has only a handful of starts, and relies extensively on a risky style of play. Sean ain’t a medical doctor. His judgement on the most important question about Hill is guided only by the gamblers phenomenon of beginners luck.

Another possibility nobody has mentioned is that Sean knew he would retire soon and did not want to go through a rebuild to free up cap and picks to find a Brees successor, so to convince management to focus 100% on winning now, he had to sell the idea that an in house successor was in place even if it was not real. Hill as a starting QB could have been a bluff all the time. Whenever there was an alternative in Winston or even Semian at times we took the alternative. But the bluff may have been important to avoid a rebuild.

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Next year’s starting QB is not currently on the roster IMO.

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Quarterbacks now play to 40 plus years old. Beginner's LUCK does NOT get you 3 out of 4 wins twice in YOUR FIRST 8 GAMES 4 each year. I did forget about the lisfrank injury. We'll have to see how that plays out. Nobody mentioned Sean KNEW he would retire because HE didn't know till after he went on vacation. THERE WAS NO BLUFF.

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Quarterbacks with Taysom Hill’s style of play do not play to 40 years old. Cam Newton is like a year older than Taysom Hill.

Jimmy Garapollo got a big streak of wins in his early starts too, when you win 9-0 it sometimes has more to do with the defense.

I was not talking about Hills beginners luck though. I think Sean Paytons entire career as a coach has at once benefitted and suffered from Drew Brees amazing recovery from a devistating shoulder injury. On the one hand, Payton got a hall of fame qb for no draft capital on an initially cheap contract and made a great record. On the other hand part of this was pure luck, and Drew Brees could just as easily have struggled to recover and become another Chad Pennington, RG3, Andrew Luck, Dante Culpepper, etc. But Payton got lucky on Drews recovery and then he and Loomis bet compulsively on injury prone and injured free agents and draft picks the rest of Paytons tenure, which led to like 15 years of seasons hampered by recurring injuries across the roster and laments that we will always be unbeatable next year because the injury bug cant strike again. Guys like Peat, Hill, Analzone, and Cameron Meredith were the cost of our luck with Brees. I hope in the future we realize that some players do have histories that suggest higher propensity for injury than average and that its ok to gamble on a few of those players but when you gamble on two many of them you can never have a stable roster and actually start to break down and injury your more durable players due to the chaos created by constantly have to shift roles and assignments due to injuries.

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If he leaves could he PLEASE take speedo with him...

Asking for a friend...actually a bunch of 'em...

:banana:

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Who is this franchise QB that I see mentioned? Winston is a free agent on March 16th and the reason he was in New Orleans or why any good QB that was interested in New Orleans as a home retired.

Anyone remember the last time we played without Sean Payton? Pete was OC in 2012 we went 7-9.

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But the offence was pretty good. Drew threw for over 5000yds.
The defence was worst in legaue history thou.

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So we are not in a better place now.. got it lol. 6-11 at best is expected

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I'd say we are in a better position right now. The defence is much better and if the O just are halfway efficient we're 10-7. If they are good 12-5+

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I'll place a friendly wager right now we win more than six games. I can always use free money. :D We won nine games as a dumpster fire last season due to unprecedented injuries to starters and COVID.

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Really. REALLY? You wanna bet?

https://media.makeameme.org/created/oh-you-cij4ia.jpg

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In 2012 he Saints offense was second in the NFL in total yards and third in scoring. You're blaming Carmichael and the Saints offense for that 7-9 record?

What we didn't have was Dennis Allen in charge of the defense.

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I wouldn’t rule out Doug Marrone as a OC candidate.

Not a preferred choice of mine but I could see Dennis making a call.

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What about o-line coach? That's the position he held at Alabama before just being replaced last week. Our current coach, Brendan Nugent, hasn't exactly excelled at improving Ruiz over the past season.

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Go listen to Underhill's most recent podcast on the list of OC candidates.

Ruiz was a reach. Not a 1st round talent no matter who's coaching him.

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Saints looking to add Doug Marrone and John Morton. Kinda on the fence about how I feel about these guys:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...fensive-staff/

Also starting to think maybe moving PC to another roll may be so he can completely focus on the QB situation, we shall see.

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I'm happy to have Marrone back. Tons of experience with extensive OL expertise. A move in the right direction.

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Guess what… you don’t have Dennis Allen in charge of your defense now.. You have no one in charge of your defense now.

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DA bringing back a familiar face. Doug brought some air yards back in the day!

Excited to see how this is beginning to take shape.

So far we have 2 vets in some sort of "role" with the offense yet no official OC.

Interesting. Are we tapping Eric B or a college coach?

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It's been reported DA will still call plays. Wonder if that's true. Also wonder if Kris takes over as DC.

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Forgetting you don’t have a QB? Forgetting you don’t have anyone that has a proven set of reliable hands to catch passes from the QB you don’t have?

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Maybe he will, maybe that’s what he did with the Raiders that kept his record under .300. Dennis is in damage control and will say anything to quiet the press hoard.

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Wow we see things very differently. You think things are that bad huh?

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Hopefully, Dougie M can light a flame under Ruiz's a**.

Bring in better backups on that O-line as well.

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Oh, so Dennis Allen is going to wash his hands of the defense and let someone else control it all. He'll just do the defensive playcalling on gameday. Gotcha.

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Yup. DA inferred at his press conference that he didn't want to give up those duties. Heck, if Payton could call offense and head coach then DA should be able to do the same defensively, right?