Saints promoting Ryan Nielsen, Kris Richard, possibly as co-coordinators

saintfan · 02-23-2022, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I never knew that Richard and Nielsen were teammates at USC.

https://twitter.com/AaronWilson_NFL/...71432221954050

Because you hadn't found it on twitter I suppose...

NOLA54 · 02-23-2022, 02:25 PM

How does that work?

halloween 65 · 02-23-2022, 02:30 PM

In my line of work the saying goes" To many Chiefs and not enough Indians" it's always a bad deal. The blame game runs rampid.

AsylumGuido · 02-23-2022, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

In my line of work the saying goes" To many Chiefs and not enough Indians" it's always a bad deal. The blame game runs rampid.

That's only when the chiefs are all trying to run the whole tribe. As I mentioned earlier, ignore the titles. Allen is still the defensive coordinator. Nielsen is the run game defensive coach. Richard is the pass game defensive coach. Allen calls all the defensive plays. They each have their own distinct areas of responsibility. They are defensive coordinators in title only.

bobdog86 · 02-23-2022, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

This hasn't changed. What has changed in coaching is the concentration of areas of responsibility. There were fewer coaches responsible for more things. Now there are more coaches responsible for less things each. The sum of responsibility is the same.

By the way, here's the Saints coaching staff from 1967.

This from Wikipedia ...

Head coaches

Head Coach – Tom Fears

Offensive coaches

Chief Offensive Coach – George Dickson
Offensive Line Coach – Walt Yowarsky
Receiver Coach – Bob Shaw

Defensive coaches
Chief Defensive Coach – Jack Faulkner
Defensive Line Coach – Ed Khayat
Linebacker Coach – J. D. Roberts

Strength and conditioning

Trainer – Fred Peterson
Assistant Trainer – Bill Cuthbertson
Equipment Manager – Charlie Shepherd
Assistant Equipment Manager – Wallace Brown

Bob Dylan - The Times They Are A-Changin' (Official Audio) - YouTube

What do you think "Chief" means? The term is now Offensive coordinator or Defensive coordinator. I understand your the consument Polyanna of the group, and that's okay.......But come on quit beating the dead horse here. Your not convincing me

AsylumGuido · 02-23-2022, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by NOLA54

How does that work?

I posted this earlier, NOLA ...

.. Ross Jackson explains how the two DC concept can work successfully within the Saints organization. Essentially, Nielsen retains direct control over the defensive front while Richard does the same with the secondary. It becomes Nielsen's job to develop the run defense for the upcoming game as Richard does the same for the passing defense. He explains that there will obviously be some overlap of the two, but given that they have already been working together in the past, that should not be an issue. Play-calling duties, however, could be an issue one might say, but with Allen handling those duties that eliminates that hurdle. Placing one of them in the box upstairs and having the other on the sideline would also maximize gameday coverage.

AsylumGuido · 02-23-2022, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by bobdog86

What do you think "Chief" means? The term is now Offensive coordinator or Defensive coordinator. I understand your the consument Polyanna of the group, and that's okay.......But come on quit beating the dead horse here. Your not convincing me

The point I was making is there were only seven coaches back then. Staffs have grown to 30 coaches. Coaching is becoming more and more specialized. A corporation can have any number of VP's with different areas of expertise. A football team can have any number of DC's with different areas of expertise.

If both were doing the exact same thing I would see the problem. Obviously. But if each has their own area of responsibility what would be the issue? I believe you are getting hung up on the title itself, not the individual jobs for which they will be responsible.

saintfan · 02-23-2022, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

The point I was making is there were only seven coaches back then. Staffs have grown to 30 coaches. Coaching is becoming more and more specialized. A corporation can have any number of VP's with different areas of expertise. A football team can have any number of DC's with different areas of expertise.

If both were doing the exact same thing I would see the problem. Obviously. But if each has their own area of responsibility what would be the issue? I believe you are getting hung up on the title itself, not the individual jobs for which they will be responsible.

The point you were making was irrelevant, as it typically is. And it doesn't matter anyway because whatever they do you'll sign up for because you don't have a brain...

bobdog86 · 02-23-2022, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

The point I was making is there were only seven coaches back then. Staffs have grown to 30 coaches. Coaching is becoming more and more specialized. A corporation can have any number of VP's with different areas of expertise. A football team can have any number of DC's with different areas of expertise.

If both were doing the exact same thing I would see the problem. Obviously. But if each has their own area of responsibility what would be the issue? I believe you are getting hung up on the title itself, not the individual jobs for which they will be responsible.

Please, please don't think for me or pretend to know what I'm "hung" up on. You like the idea....great, good for you...I don't like it. Your not changing my position, I'm not changing yours, which is fine. There is no right or wrong. We don't have 2 presidents just because one is better at something than the other, you don't have 2 Wing Commanders of an AF base....Just my position. I'm done responding to your position, let's just leave it there. I respect and appreciate your perspective, you just need to reciprocate. Peace and Geaux Saints!

AsylumGuido · 02-23-2022, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by bobdog86

Please, please don't think for me or pretend to know what I'm "hung" up on. You like the idea....great, good for you...I don't like it. Your not changing my position, I'm not changing yours, which is fine. There is no right or wrong. We don't have 2 presidents just because one is better at something than the other, you don't have 2 Wing Commanders of an AF base....Just my position. I'm done responding to your position, let's just leave it there. I respect and appreciate your perspective, you just need to reciprocate. Peace and Geaux Saints!

I guess I see Dennis Allen as the Wing Commander and Nielsen and Richard as Group Commanders. Oh, well. All a matter of perspective, of course.

But, I suppose you may right. There probably is some chance they don't know what they are doing. I suppose we'll find out the details of their plan later.

By the way, were you USAF? My dad retired as the 2nd Bomb Wing Gunner here at Barksdale.

02-23-2022, 02:17 PM	#31
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints promoting Ryan Nielsen, Kris Richard, possibly as co-coordinators Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I never knew that Richard and Nielsen were teammates at USC. https://twitter.com/AaronWilson_NFL/...71432221954050 Because you hadn't found it on twitter I suppose...

02-23-2022, 02:25 PM	#32
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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Saints promoting Ryan Nielsen, Kris Richard, possibly as co-coordinators In my line of work the saying goes" To many Chiefs and not enough Indians" it's always a bad deal. The blame game runs rampid. saintfan likes this.

02-23-2022, 02:36 PM	#34
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Saints promoting Ryan Nielsen, Kris Richard, possibly as co-coordinators Originally Posted by halloween 65 In my line of work the saying goes" To many Chiefs and not enough Indians" it's always a bad deal. The blame game runs rampid. That's only when the chiefs are all trying to run the whole tribe. As I mentioned earlier, ignore the titles. Allen is still the defensive coordinator. Nielsen is the run game defensive coach. Richard is the pass game defensive coach. Allen calls all the defensive plays. They each have their own distinct areas of responsibility. They are defensive coordinators in title only.

02-23-2022, 02:38 PM	#35
bobdog86 Site Donor Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,329	Re: Saints promoting Ryan Nielsen, Kris Richard, possibly as co-coordinators Originally Posted by AsylumGuido This hasn't changed. What has changed in coaching is the concentration of areas of responsibility. There were fewer coaches responsible for more things. Now there are more coaches responsible for less things each. The sum of responsibility is the same. By the way, here's the Saints coaching staff from 1967. This from Wikipedia ... Head coaches Head Coach – Tom Fears Offensive coaches Chief Offensive Coach – George Dickson Offensive Line Coach – Walt Yowarsky Receiver Coach – Bob Shaw Defensive coaches Chief Defensive Coach – Jack Faulkner Defensive Line Coach – Ed Khayat Linebacker Coach – J. D. Roberts Strength and conditioning Trainer – Fred Peterson Assistant Trainer – Bill Cuthbertson Equipment Manager – Charlie Shepherd Assistant Equipment Manager – Wallace Brown Bob Dylan - The Times They Are A-Changin' (Official Audio) - YouTube What do you think "Chief" means? The term is now Offensive coordinator or Defensive coordinator. I understand your the consument Polyanna of the group, and that's okay.......But come on quit beating the dead horse here. Your not convincing me

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02-23-2022, 02:39 PM	#36
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Saints promoting Ryan Nielsen, Kris Richard, possibly as co-coordinators Originally Posted by NOLA54 How does that work? I posted this earlier, NOLA ... .. Ross Jackson explains how the two DC concept can work successfully within the Saints organization. Essentially, Nielsen retains direct control over the defensive front while Richard does the same with the secondary. It becomes Nielsen's job to develop the run defense for the upcoming game as Richard does the same for the passing defense. He explains that there will obviously be some overlap of the two, but given that they have already been working together in the past, that should not be an issue. Play-calling duties, however, could be an issue one might say, but with Allen handling those duties that eliminates that hurdle. Placing one of them in the box upstairs and having the other on the sideline would also maximize gameday coverage.
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02-23-2022, 02:45 PM	#37
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Saints promoting Ryan Nielsen, Kris Richard, possibly as co-coordinators Originally Posted by bobdog86 What do you think "Chief" means? The term is now Offensive coordinator or Defensive coordinator. I understand your the consument Polyanna of the group, and that's okay.......But come on quit beating the dead horse here. Your not convincing me The point I was making is there were only seven coaches back then. Staffs have grown to 30 coaches. Coaching is becoming more and more specialized. A corporation can have any number of VP's with different areas of expertise. A football team can have any number of DC's with different areas of expertise. If both were doing the exact same thing I would see the problem. Obviously. But if each has their own area of responsibility what would be the issue? I believe you are getting hung up on the title itself, not the individual jobs for which they will be responsible.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

02-23-2022, 02:53 PM	#38
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints promoting Ryan Nielsen, Kris Richard, possibly as co-coordinators Originally Posted by AsylumGuido The point I was making is there were only seven coaches back then. Staffs have grown to 30 coaches. Coaching is becoming more and more specialized. A corporation can have any number of VP's with different areas of expertise. A football team can have any number of DC's with different areas of expertise. If both were doing the exact same thing I would see the problem. Obviously. But if each has their own area of responsibility what would be the issue? I believe you are getting hung up on the title itself, not the individual jobs for which they will be responsible. The point you were making was irrelevant, as it typically is. And it doesn't matter anyway because whatever they do you'll sign up for because you don't have a brain...

02-23-2022, 02:56 PM	#39
bobdog86 Site Donor Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,329	Re: Saints promoting Ryan Nielsen, Kris Richard, possibly as co-coordinators Originally Posted by AsylumGuido The point I was making is there were only seven coaches back then. Staffs have grown to 30 coaches. Coaching is becoming more and more specialized. A corporation can have any number of VP's with different areas of expertise. A football team can have any number of DC's with different areas of expertise. If both were doing the exact same thing I would see the problem. Obviously. But if each has their own area of responsibility what would be the issue? I believe you are getting hung up on the title itself, not the individual jobs for which they will be responsible. Please, please don't think for me or pretend to know what I'm "hung" up on. You like the idea....great, good for you...I don't like it. Your not changing my position, I'm not changing yours, which is fine. There is no right or wrong. We don't have 2 presidents just because one is better at something than the other, you don't have 2 Wing Commanders of an AF base....Just my position. I'm done responding to your position, let's just leave it there. I respect and appreciate your perspective, you just need to reciprocate. Peace and Geaux Saints! K Major likes this.

02-23-2022, 03:37 PM	#40
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Saints promoting Ryan Nielsen, Kris Richard, possibly as co-coordinators Originally Posted by bobdog86 Please, please don't think for me or pretend to know what I'm "hung" up on. You like the idea....great, good for you...I don't like it. Your not changing my position, I'm not changing yours, which is fine. There is no right or wrong. We don't have 2 presidents just because one is better at something than the other, you don't have 2 Wing Commanders of an AF base....Just my position. I'm done responding to your position, let's just leave it there. I respect and appreciate your perspective, you just need to reciprocate. Peace and Geaux Saints! I guess I see Dennis Allen as the Wing Commander and Nielsen and Richard as Group Commanders. Oh, well. All a matter of perspective, of course. But, I suppose you may right. There probably is some chance they don't know what they are doing. I suppose we'll find out the details of their plan later. By the way, were you USAF? My dad retired as the 2nd Bomb Wing Gunner here at Barksdale.