Saints promoting Ryan Nielsen, Kris Richard, possibly as co-coordinators

bobdog86 · 02-22-2022, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

They have. Dennis Allen.

my God if you say Dennis Allen is the leader of the defense (which I do agree with you) then why have co-coordinators? makes no sense, especially if they will be a puppet to the man (DA)....

AsylumGuido · 02-22-2022, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by bobdog86

my God if you say Dennis Allen is the leader of the defense (which I do agree with you) then why have co-coordinators? makes no sense, especially if they will be a puppet to the man (DA)....

Watch the video or at least read my very short summary above, bob.

AsylumGuido · 02-22-2022, 02:08 PM

If the Saints do decide to go in this direction with the two DC's with separate responsibilities it will simply be an extension of the trend in the NFL for decades. In the distant past NFL coaching staffs were very limited with coordinators having just a few of assistants apiece in some cases. Fast forward to the current day and not only do you have O-line coaches, LB coaches, and secondary coaches, but you now have interior and exterior defensive line coaches, inside and outside LB coaches, CB coaches, and safety coaches and each of those can have their own assistants. Then you have defensive quality control coaches as yet another level.

Having a run game defensive coordinator and a pass game defensive coordinator seems like a logical extension of the trend ... if that is indeed the plan.

The Dude · 02-22-2022, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

If the Saints do decide to go in this direction with the two DC's with separate responsibilities it will simply be an extension of the trend in the NFL for decades. In the distant past NFL coaching staffs were very limited with coordinators having just a few of assistants apiece in some cases. Fast forward to the current day and not only do you have O-line coaches, LB coaches, and secondary coaches, but you now have interior and exterior defensive line coaches, inside and outside LB coaches, CB coaches, and safety coaches and each of those can have their own assistants. Then you have defensive quality control coaches as yet another level.

Having a run game defensive coordinator and a pass game defensive coordinator seems like a logical extension of the trend ... if that is indeed the plan.

A trend that’s been in the NFL for decades? Isn’t that kind of an oxymoron? Maybe I’m just a moron.

AsylumGuido · 02-22-2022, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

A trend that’s been in the NFL for decades? Isn’t that kind of an oxymoron? Maybe I’m just a moron.

This was a subject on something I watched this past Fall about coaching history in the NFL. They talked about how staffs were limited back in the 50'-60's and how over the decades since then specialization had began being introduced. What used to be staffs of six or seven had grown into 20 to 30 in recent years. They talked about the trend of specialization continuing in the future with more analytics and in uniform sensors and such and having coaching staff dedicated to these new areas. I believe Sean Payton is involved with a product in this arena called Zebra Technologies.

Saints' use of Zebra Technologies to track players in practice

saintfan · 02-22-2022, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

This was a subject on something I watched this past Fall about coaching history in the NFL. They talked about how staffs were limited back in the 50'-60's and how over the decades since then specialization had began being introduced. What used to be staffs of six or seven had grown into 20 to 30 in recent years. They talked about the trend of specialization continuing in the future with more analytics and in uniform sensors and such and having coaching staff dedicated to these new areas. I believe Sean Payton is involved with a product in this arena called Zebra Technologies.

Saints' use of Zebra Technologies to track players in practice

Nothing in that article from 2018 has anything to do with the conversation. It's about data tracking. Why did you post it? Trying to prove something you typed? It has zero relevance...

What company did you ever work for that had more than one CEO? More than one CFO? More than one CTO? If the Saints decided to have more than one head coach, you'd support that too because you're not very smart.

None, none, and none. You're just a fanboy without a clue.

saintfan · 02-22-2022, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Watch the video or at least read my very short summary above, bob.

Here's my summary (with no help from twitter or youtube):

It doesn't matter what the team does, you're going to fly the flag, and you'll sit there in your retirement chair (because you don't have a life) digging through Google and Twitter and YouTube or anything else you can find to justify the decision - any decision, because you can't be critical because you're a senseless mindless fanboy.

Which is fine in your own head.

But then you bring it here and challenge anyone who dissents from the team's potentially idiotic decision.

Pretty much right on target, eh speedo?

bobdog86 · 02-22-2022, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Watch the video or at least read my very short summary above, bob.

Did watch it, apparently you assumed I had not. It is still a concept....Don't buy the fact you have three defensive coordinators....and yes the HC is ultimately responsible, as is usually the case. Just a concept I do not believe in. 1 HC/1 OC/1 DC/1 STC and the rest below them. just my .02, hopefully it works.

AsylumGuido · 02-22-2022, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by bobdog86

Did watch it, apparently you assumed I had not. It is still a concept....Don't buy the fact you have three defensive coordinators....and yes the HC is ultimately responsible, as is usually the case. Just a concept I do not believe in. 1 HC/1 OC/1 DC/1 STC and the rest below them. just my .02, hopefully it works.

Me too, bob. I get where you're coming from. The way I look at it, a traditional DC has the responsibilities of developing the entire defensive game plan (run and pass) and then calling the plays during the game. This approach could possibly give each of the three areas more dedicated attention. At least that what it appears could be the reasoning. It makes sense if done right.

Papz mentioned earlier the analogy of having too many cooks in the kitchen. Let's assume one cook was working on the main dish, while another was dedicated to the sides, and a third was in charge of the dessert. The meal prep would be far more efficient than a single cook attempting all at the same time.

saintfan · 02-22-2022, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Me too, bob. I get where you're coming from. The way I look at it, a traditional DC has the responsibilities of developing the entire defensive game plan (run and pass) and then calling the plays during the game. This approach could possibly give each of the three areas more dedicated attention. At least that what it appears could be the reasoning. It makes sense if done right.

Papz mentioned earlier the analogy of having too many cooks in the kitchen. Let's assume one cook was working on the main dish, while another was dedicated to the sides, and a third was in charge of the dessert. The meal prep would be far more efficient than a single cook attempting all at the same time.

02-22-2022, 01:32 PM	#1
bobdog86 Site Donor Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,487	Re: Saints promoting Ryan Nielsen, Kris Richard, possibly as co-coordinators Originally Posted by AsylumGuido They have. Dennis Allen. my God if you say Dennis Allen is the leader of the defense (which I do agree with you) then why have co-coordinators? makes no sense, especially if they will be a puppet to the man (DA)....

02-22-2022, 01:41 PM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,763	Re: Saints promoting Ryan Nielsen, Kris Richard, possibly as co-coordinators Originally Posted by bobdog86 my God if you say Dennis Allen is the leader of the defense (which I do agree with you) then why have co-coordinators? makes no sense, especially if they will be a puppet to the man (DA).... Watch the video or at least read my very short summary above, bob.

02-22-2022, 02:08 PM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,763	Re: Saints promoting Ryan Nielsen, Kris Richard, possibly as co-coordinators If the Saints do decide to go in this direction with the two DC's with separate responsibilities it will simply be an extension of the trend in the NFL for decades. In the distant past NFL coaching staffs were very limited with coordinators having just a few of assistants apiece in some cases. Fast forward to the current day and not only do you have O-line coaches, LB coaches, and secondary coaches, but you now have interior and exterior defensive line coaches, inside and outside LB coaches, CB coaches, and safety coaches and each of those can have their own assistants. Then you have defensive quality control coaches as yet another level. Having a run game defensive coordinator and a pass game defensive coordinator seems like a logical extension of the trend ... if that is indeed the plan.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

02-22-2022, 02:54 PM	#4
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,065	Re: Saints promoting Ryan Nielsen, Kris Richard, possibly as co-coordinators Originally Posted by AsylumGuido If the Saints do decide to go in this direction with the two DC's with separate responsibilities it will simply be an extension of the trend in the NFL for decades. In the distant past NFL coaching staffs were very limited with coordinators having just a few of assistants apiece in some cases. Fast forward to the current day and not only do you have O-line coaches, LB coaches, and secondary coaches, but you now have interior and exterior defensive line coaches, inside and outside LB coaches, CB coaches, and safety coaches and each of those can have their own assistants. Then you have defensive quality control coaches as yet another level. Having a run game defensive coordinator and a pass game defensive coordinator seems like a logical extension of the trend ... if that is indeed the plan. A trend that’s been in the NFL for decades? Isn’t that kind of an oxymoron? Maybe I’m just a moron.
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02-22-2022, 03:49 PM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,763	Re: Saints promoting Ryan Nielsen, Kris Richard, possibly as co-coordinators Originally Posted by The Dude A trend that’s been in the NFL for decades? Isn’t that kind of an oxymoron? Maybe I’m just a moron. This was a subject on something I watched this past Fall about coaching history in the NFL. They talked about how staffs were limited back in the 50'-60's and how over the decades since then specialization had began being introduced. What used to be staffs of six or seven had grown into 20 to 30 in recent years. They talked about the trend of specialization continuing in the future with more analytics and in uniform sensors and such and having coaching staff dedicated to these new areas. I believe Sean Payton is involved with a product in this arena called Zebra Technologies. Saints' use of Zebra Technologies to track players in practice
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

02-22-2022, 04:09 PM	#6
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints promoting Ryan Nielsen, Kris Richard, possibly as co-coordinators Originally Posted by AsylumGuido This was a subject on something I watched this past Fall about coaching history in the NFL. They talked about how staffs were limited back in the 50'-60's and how over the decades since then specialization had began being introduced. What used to be staffs of six or seven had grown into 20 to 30 in recent years. They talked about the trend of specialization continuing in the future with more analytics and in uniform sensors and such and having coaching staff dedicated to these new areas. I believe Sean Payton is involved with a product in this arena called Zebra Technologies. Saints' use of Zebra Technologies to track players in practice Nothing in that article from 2018 has anything to do with the conversation. It's about data tracking. Why did you post it? Trying to prove something you typed? It has zero relevance... What company did you ever work for that had more than one CEO? More than one CFO? More than one CTO? If the Saints decided to have more than one head coach, you'd support that too because you're not very smart. None, none, and none. You're just a fanboy without a clue.

02-22-2022, 02:12 PM	#7
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints promoting Ryan Nielsen, Kris Richard, possibly as co-coordinators Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Watch the video or at least read my very short summary above, bob. Here's my summary (with no help from twitter or youtube): It doesn't matter what the team does, you're going to fly the flag, and you'll sit there in your retirement chair (because you don't have a life) digging through Google and Twitter and YouTube or anything else you can find to justify the decision - any decision, because you can't be critical because you're a senseless mindless fanboy. Which is fine in your own head. But then you bring it here and challenge anyone who dissents from the team's potentially idiotic decision. Pretty much right on target, eh speedo? jnormand and The Dude like this.
	C'mon Man...

02-22-2022, 02:38 PM	#8
bobdog86 Site Donor Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Washington State Posts: 1,487	Re: Saints promoting Ryan Nielsen, Kris Richard, possibly as co-coordinators Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Watch the video or at least read my very short summary above, bob. Did watch it, apparently you assumed I had not. It is still a concept....Don't buy the fact you have three defensive coordinators....and yes the HC is ultimately responsible, as is usually the case. Just a concept I do not believe in. 1 HC/1 OC/1 DC/1 STC and the rest below them. just my .02, hopefully it works. jnormand, AsylumGuido and K Major like this.

02-22-2022, 03:27 PM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,763	Re: Saints promoting Ryan Nielsen, Kris Richard, possibly as co-coordinators Originally Posted by bobdog86 Did watch it, apparently you assumed I had not. It is still a concept....Don't buy the fact you have three defensive coordinators....and yes the HC is ultimately responsible, as is usually the case. Just a concept I do not believe in. 1 HC/1 OC/1 DC/1 STC and the rest below them. just my .02, hopefully it works. Me too, bob. I get where you're coming from. The way I look at it, a traditional DC has the responsibilities of developing the entire defensive game plan (run and pass) and then calling the plays during the game. This approach could possibly give each of the three areas more dedicated attention. At least that what it appears could be the reasoning. It makes sense if done right. Papz mentioned earlier the analogy of having too many cooks in the kitchen. Let's assume one cook was working on the main dish, while another was dedicated to the sides, and a third was in charge of the dessert. The meal prep would be far more efficient than a single cook attempting all at the same time.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

02-22-2022, 03:31 PM	#10
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints promoting Ryan Nielsen, Kris Richard, possibly as co-coordinators Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Me too, bob. I get where you're coming from. The way I look at it, a traditional DC has the responsibilities of developing the entire defensive game plan (run and pass) and then calling the plays during the game. This approach could possibly give each of the three areas more dedicated attention. At least that what it appears could be the reasoning. It makes sense if done right. Papz mentioned earlier the analogy of having too many cooks in the kitchen. Let's assume one cook was working on the main dish, while another was dedicated to the sides, and a third was in charge of the dessert. The meal prep would be far more efficient than a single cook attempting all at the same time.