Deshaun Watson to Saints?

jeanpierre · 03-18-2022, 07:15 PM

Am so relieved that the Saints didn't win the Deshaun Watson sweepstakes...

Am bothered that the same braintrust is still in place and tried to make this happen...

Am also reassured the Football Gods saved this fanbase and the team from themselves...

Now let's get away from this horrible operating system of rolling debt and build through the draft...

The Dude · 03-18-2022, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Am so relieved that the Saints didn't win the Deshaun Watson sweepstakes...

Am bothered that the same braintrust is still in place and tried to make this happen...

Am also reassured the Football Gods saved this fanbase and the team from themselves...

Now let's get away from this horrible operating system of rolling debt and build through the draft...

Idk man this seemed like sort of a chess match within the division anyway. Who knows what was going on behind closed doors. I kind of thought this might be a play to get one of our division rivals to break the bank.

jeanpierre · 03-18-2022, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Idk man this seemed like sort of a chess match within the division anyway. Who knows what was going on behind closed doors. I kind of thought this might be a play to get one of our division rivals to break the bank.

That was my initial take until the ole Lady got on a plane, flew to him to, #IDK, massage his feet or whatever. Saints FO were all in on this...

FinSaint · 03-18-2022, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Am bothered that the same braintrust is still in place and tried to make this happen...

Am also reassured the Football Gods saved this fanbase and the team from themselves...

I could not disagree more.

I wouldn't exchange Loomis, Harley and Ireland for any other team's "braintrust."

They want to win and they made an aggressive and strategic move in going after Watson. They are not the "morality police," and their job is to put together the most competitive roster of athletes/players they can - not literal saints.

Make no mistake about it - the Saints would have been far more competitive with Watson as their QB than any of the other option available to them. Also, they had to do all that they could to prevent him from being signed by a division rival or at the very least drive up the price of signing him.

jeanpierre · 03-18-2022, 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

I could not disagree more.

I wouldn't exchange Loomis, Harley and Ireland for any other team's "braintrust."

They want to win and they made an aggressive and strategic move in going after Watson. They are not the "morality police," and their job is to put together the most competitive roster of athletes/players they can - not literal saints.

Make no mistake about it - the Saints would have been far more competitive with Watson as their QB than any of the other option available to them. Also, they had to do all that they could to prevent him from being signed by a division rival or at the very least drive up the price of signing him.

Keep in mind Loomis traded two mid-round first round picks to move up and take Johnathan Sullivan...

Loomis also rubberstamped the Jairus Byrd deal...

And this rolling debt forward has now led to us losing two members of that great 2017 draft class...

Loomis should've step down with Payton, allowed Ireland to take over...

As far as being the morality police, Brees showed what can happen to a locker room when you choose men of substance to lead your team...

FinSaint · 03-19-2022, 06:39 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Keep in mind Loomis traded two mid-round first round picks to move up and take Johnathan Sullivan...

Loomis also rubberstamped the Jairus Byrd deal...

And this rolling debt forward has now led to us losing two members of that great 2017 draft class...

Loomis should've step down with Payton, allowed Ireland to take over...

As far as being the morality police, Brees showed what can happen to a locker room when you choose men of substance to lead your team...

Loomis has been the GM for 20 years now - naturally he has made bad decisions during that time.

Byrd, Jason David, Browner and Spiller we all bad FA signings without a doubt.

As for 1st round picks - Sullivan was a big miss, but they picked Stinchcomb with the next pick in that draft. Meachem in the 1st round in 2007 was a miss as was that whole draft with the exception of Bushrod in the 4th. Ellis in 2008 ended up as a disappointment, but they did get Porter and Nicks in that draft. Vaccaro in 2013 wasn't a total failure and they got Armstead in the 3rd that year. 2015 with Peat and Anthony was a failure, especially if you look at the picks as a whole that year with P.J. Williams as the only bright spot. 2020 with Ruiz is a miss at the moment, but this coming season could still turn that around, and the same goes for Baun and Trautman.

Overall, in my opinion, they've had more successes with the high-priced FAs and high picks in the draft than on average in the league.

Also, how much of the FA decisions - especially the big splashes/misses - were driven by SP while Loomis and co were only left with finding a way to make it work fiscally?

I think most of the league is moving towards the way Saints are manipulating the cap numbers, and within a decade that might (will) become the norm of how to construct salary structures around the league.

And finally, if you are going to criticize the contracts Loomis has given - you also have to give him credit for the bad contracts he has chosen not to give with the latest example being Watson.

TheOak · 03-19-2022, 07:03 AM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

Also, how much of the FA decisions - especially the big splashes/misses - were driven by SP while Loomis and co were only left with finding a way to make it work fiscally?

.

This past week... the Watson fiasco and what we were preparing to give along with the damage that was done to the integrity to the locker room... You still believe Sean Payton was the driving force in that statement.

The underlined portion is much of the exact same but Sean Payton isnt here.

saintsfan1976 · 03-19-2022, 07:36 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

This past week... the Watson fiasco and what we were preparing to give along with the damage that was done to the integrity to the locker room... You still believe Sean Payton was the driving force in that statement.

The underlined portion is much of the exact same but Sean Payton isnt here.

Our own players were actively recruiting Watson, even restructuring contracts to get under the cap. I don’t thing the locker room is damaged the way you think it is.

TheOak · 03-19-2022, 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Our own players were actively recruiting Watson, even restructuring contracts to get under the cap. I don’t thing the locker room is damaged the way you think it is.

You think players restructure contracts to help the team? They smartly agree to restructure because in a career field that can end in a spit second on the field the restructures give them guaranteed money, it converts salary into instant signing bonus in their pocket. The cap is Loomis's problem, they players don't give a sh1t, they are in there fighting for as much money as they can get in spite of the cap.

You need to have a chat with CGJ about how it feels to be put on an auction block unwillingly. You need to have a chat with his defensive secondary that depends on him.

FinSaint · 03-19-2022, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

This past week... the Watson fiasco and what we were preparing to give along with the damage that was done to the integrity to the locker room... You still believe Sean Payton was the driving force in that statement.

The underlined portion is much of the exact same but Sean Payton isnt here.

What were the specifics of the Saints' offer to both the Texans and Watson? I have only seen speculations and rumors regarding the offers, so I'd be interested in knowing the facts.

I read at least one article during this past week that claimed Allen wanted Watson in a big way, and then in a few articles that Loomis was aggressive and all in on trying to land the deal. Which came first - the chicken or the egg?

Lastly, I just don't agree with you on the notion of "Watson fiasco." If you are approaching this from the morality standpoint, then you have to turn around and give Loomis and the FO credit for bringing in guys like Demario Davis and Benjamin Watson or severing ties with a player like Junior Gallette.

03-18-2022, 07:15 PM	#1
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Deshaun Watson to Saints? Am so relieved that the Saints didn't win the Deshaun Watson sweepstakes... Am bothered that the same braintrust is still in place and tried to make this happen... Am also reassured the Football Gods saved this fanbase and the team from themselves... Now let's get away from this horrible operating system of rolling debt and build through the draft...

03-18-2022, 07:30 PM	#2
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,075	Re: Deshaun Watson to Saints? Originally Posted by jeanpierre Am so relieved that the Saints didn't win the Deshaun Watson sweepstakes... Am bothered that the same braintrust is still in place and tried to make this happen... Am also reassured the Football Gods saved this fanbase and the team from themselves... Now let's get away from this horrible operating system of rolling debt and build through the draft... Idk man this seemed like sort of a chess match within the division anyway. Who knows what was going on behind closed doors. I kind of thought this might be a play to get one of our division rivals to break the bank.
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03-18-2022, 07:32 PM	#3
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Deshaun Watson to Saints? Originally Posted by The Dude Idk man this seemed like sort of a chess match within the division anyway. Who knows what was going on behind closed doors. I kind of thought this might be a play to get one of our division rivals to break the bank. *That was my initial take until the ole Lady got on a plane, flew to him to, #IDK, massage his feet or whatever. Saints FO were all in on this...*

03-18-2022, 08:20 PM	#4
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	Re: Deshaun Watson to Saints? Originally Posted by jeanpierre Am bothered that the same braintrust is still in place and tried to make this happen... Am also reassured the Football Gods saved this fanbase and the team from themselves... I could not disagree more. I wouldn't exchange Loomis, Harley and Ireland for any other team's "braintrust." They want to win and they made an aggressive and strategic move in going after Watson. They are not the "morality police," and their job is to put together the most competitive roster of athletes/players they can - not literal saints. Make no mistake about it - the Saints would have been far more competitive with Watson as their QB than any of the other option available to them. Also, they had to do all that they could to prevent him from being signed by a division rival or at the very least drive up the price of signing him.
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03-18-2022, 08:47 PM	#5
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Deshaun Watson to Saints? Originally Posted by FinSaint I could not disagree more. I wouldn't exchange Loomis, Harley and Ireland for any other team's "braintrust." They want to win and they made an aggressive and strategic move in going after Watson. They are not the "morality police," and their job is to put together the most competitive roster of athletes/players they can - not literal saints. Make no mistake about it - the Saints would have been far more competitive with Watson as their QB than any of the other option available to them. Also, they had to do all that they could to prevent him from being signed by a division rival or at the very least drive up the price of signing him. Keep in mind Loomis traded two mid-round first round picks to move up and take Johnathan Sullivan... Loomis also rubberstamped the Jairus Byrd deal... And this rolling debt forward has now led to us losing two members of that great 2017 draft class... Loomis should've step down with Payton, allowed Ireland to take over... As far as being the morality police, Brees showed what can happen to a locker room when you choose men of substance to lead your team...
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03-19-2022, 06:39 AM	#6
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	Re: Deshaun Watson to Saints? Originally Posted by jeanpierre Keep in mind Loomis traded two mid-round first round picks to move up and take Johnathan Sullivan... Loomis also rubberstamped the Jairus Byrd deal... And this rolling debt forward has now led to us losing two members of that great 2017 draft class... Loomis should've step down with Payton, allowed Ireland to take over... As far as being the morality police, Brees showed what can happen to a locker room when you choose men of substance to lead your team... Loomis has been the GM for 20 years now - naturally he has made bad decisions during that time. Byrd, Jason David, Browner and Spiller we all bad FA signings without a doubt. As for 1st round picks - Sullivan was a big miss, but they picked Stinchcomb with the next pick in that draft. Meachem in the 1st round in 2007 was a miss as was that whole draft with the exception of Bushrod in the 4th. Ellis in 2008 ended up as a disappointment, but they did get Porter and Nicks in that draft. Vaccaro in 2013 wasn't a total failure and they got Armstead in the 3rd that year. 2015 with Peat and Anthony was a failure, especially if you look at the picks as a whole that year with P.J. Williams as the only bright spot. 2020 with Ruiz is a miss at the moment, but this coming season could still turn that around, and the same goes for Baun and Trautman. Overall, in my opinion, they've had more successes with the high-priced FAs and high picks in the draft than on average in the league. Also, how much of the FA decisions - especially the big splashes/misses - were driven by SP while Loomis and co were only left with finding a way to make it work fiscally? I think most of the league is moving towards the way Saints are manipulating the cap numbers, and within a decade that might (will) become the norm of how to construct salary structures around the league. And finally, if you are going to criticize the contracts Loomis has given - you also have to give him credit for the bad contracts he has chosen not to give with the latest example being Watson.
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03-19-2022, 07:03 AM	#7
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,059	Re: Deshaun Watson to Saints? Originally Posted by FinSaint Also, how much of the FA decisions - especially the big splashes/misses - were driven by SP while Loomis and co were only left with finding a way to make it work fiscally? . This past week... the Watson fiasco and what we were preparing to give along with the damage that was done to the integrity to the locker room... You still believe Sean Payton was the driving force in that statement. The underlined portion is much of the exact same but Sean Payton isnt here.

03-19-2022, 07:36 AM	#8
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,086 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Deshaun Watson to Saints? Originally Posted by TheOak This past week... the Watson fiasco and what we were preparing to give along with the damage that was done to the integrity to the locker room... You still believe Sean Payton was the driving force in that statement. The underlined portion is much of the exact same but Sean Payton isnt here. Our own players were actively recruiting Watson, even restructuring contracts to get under the cap. I don’t thing the locker room is damaged the way you think it is.

03-19-2022, 08:21 AM	#9
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,059	Re: Deshaun Watson to Saints? Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Our own players were actively recruiting Watson, even restructuring contracts to get under the cap. I don’t thing the locker room is damaged the way you think it is. You think players restructure contracts to help the team? They smartly agree to restructure because in a career field that can end in a spit second on the field the restructures give them guaranteed money, it converts salary into instant signing bonus in their pocket. The cap is Loomis's problem, they players don't give a sh1t, they are in there fighting for as much money as they can get in spite of the cap. You need to have a chat with CGJ about how it feels to be put on an auction block unwillingly. You need to have a chat with his defensive secondary that depends on him.
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03-19-2022, 10:17 AM	#10
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,964	Re: Deshaun Watson to Saints? Originally Posted by TheOak This past week... the Watson fiasco and what we were preparing to give along with the damage that was done to the integrity to the locker room... You still believe Sean Payton was the driving force in that statement. The underlined portion is much of the exact same but Sean Payton isnt here. What were the specifics of the Saints' offer to both the Texans and Watson? I have only seen speculations and rumors regarding the offers, so I'd be interested in knowing the facts. I read at least one article during this past week that claimed Allen wanted Watson in a big way, and then in a few articles that Loomis was aggressive and all in on trying to land the deal. Which came first - the chicken or the egg? Lastly, I just don't agree with you on the notion of "Watson fiasco." If you are approaching this from the morality standpoint, then you have to turn around and give Loomis and the FO credit for bringing in guys like Demario Davis and Benjamin Watson or severing ties with a player like Junior Gallette.
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