Deshaun Watson to Saints?

rezburna · 03-18-2022, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Desean is a Brown now and the Saints still need a QB.

I'm not so sure Dennis Allen is all that fond of Winston as his starter in 2022 either. Maybe Dougie M puts in a good word on his former QB from Jacksonville - Gardner Minshew. He's fun as hell to watch that's for sure.

Not much left out there in Free Agency land for QB's.

Yeah. I don’t think Allen believes in Jameis.

FinSaint · 03-18-2022, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Am bothered that the same braintrust is still in place and tried to make this happen...

Am also reassured the Football Gods saved this fanbase and the team from themselves...

I could not disagree more.

I wouldn't exchange Loomis, Harley and Ireland for any other team's "braintrust."

They want to win and they made an aggressive and strategic move in going after Watson. They are not the "morality police," and their job is to put together the most competitive roster of athletes/players they can - not literal saints.

Make no mistake about it - the Saints would have been far more competitive with Watson as their QB than any of the other option available to them. Also, they had to do all that they could to prevent him from being signed by a division rival or at the very least drive up the price of signing him.

jeanpierre · 03-18-2022, 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

I could not disagree more.

I wouldn't exchange Loomis, Harley and Ireland for any other team's "braintrust."

They want to win and they made an aggressive and strategic move in going after Watson. They are not the "morality police," and their job is to put together the most competitive roster of athletes/players they can - not literal saints.

Make no mistake about it - the Saints would have been far more competitive with Watson as their QB than any of the other option available to them. Also, they had to do all that they could to prevent him from being signed by a division rival or at the very least drive up the price of signing him.

Keep in mind Loomis traded two mid-round first round picks to move up and take Johnathan Sullivan...

Loomis also rubberstamped the Jairus Byrd deal...

And this rolling debt forward has now led to us losing two members of that great 2017 draft class...

Loomis should've step down with Payton, allowed Ireland to take over...

As far as being the morality police, Brees showed what can happen to a locker room when you choose men of substance to lead your team...

BakoSaint · 03-18-2022, 08:51 PM

I could not disagree more with your disagreeing more.

I would exchange Loomis, Harley, and Ireland for the Patriots braintrust in a heartbeat, they won 6 super bowls without blowing up the cap as much as we did winning 1. Yeah, they had Brady, but we had Brees too. We are set up to fail for years with Peat, Hill, and Thomas repeatedly restructured owing them all kinds of future money.

Loomis and his team may want to win but hey my daughter wants a pony. She can't afford one. We can't afford a receiver who is good and has played the last two years. Thats because Loomis' cap wizardry is a spell where we magically get under the cap by putting ourselves in the same mess the next offseason and losing a star every season like Hendrickson, Sanders, Williams, and maybe Armstead. Its a magic trick where he makes stars disappear and wows the crowd that SOME stars are still in place. Other teams are improving in the offseason, teams with better records than us, and we are not. Our only hope was trying to lure a big QB with the prospect of playing alongside maybe zero good receivers, no good TE, and a declining oline, while ignoring his past history of tearing both ACLS and maybe raping 22 massage therapists. Thats just desperation.
We have the cap to cut Peat as a pre-June 1 cut. Make that happen Loomis. Start saving for a rainy day not making desperation moves.

Loomis trades away all our draft picks because he does not have the cajones to try to draft more good young players and move on from mistakes.

Originally Posted by FinSaint

I could not disagree more.

I wouldn't exchange Loomis, Harley and Ireland for any other team's "braintrust."

They want to win and they made an aggressive and strategic move in going after Watson. They are not the "morality police," and their job is to put together the most competitive roster of athletes/players they can - not literal saints.

Make no mistake about it - the Saints would have been far more competitive with Watson as their QB than any of the other option available to them. Also, they had to do all that they could to prevent him from being signed by a division rival or at the very least drive up the price of signing him.

neugey · 03-18-2022, 09:48 PM

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rezburna · 03-18-2022, 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

I could not disagree more with your disagreeing more.

I would exchange Loomis, Harley, and Ireland for the Patriots braintrust in a heartbeat, they won 6 super bowls without blowing up the cap as much as we did winning 1. Yeah, they had Brady, but we had Brees too. We are set up to fail for years with Peat, Hill, and Thomas repeatedly restructured owing them all kinds of future money.

Loomis and his team may want to win but hey my daughter wants a pony. She can't afford one. We can't afford a receiver who is good and has played the last two years. Thats because Loomis' cap wizardry is a spell where we magically get under the cap by putting ourselves in the same mess the next offseason and losing a star every season like Hendrickson, Sanders, Williams, and maybe Armstead. Its a magic trick where he makes stars disappear and wows the crowd that SOME stars are still in place. Other teams are improving in the offseason, teams with better records than us, and we are not. Our only hope was trying to lure a big QB with the prospect of playing alongside maybe zero good receivers, no good TE, and a declining oline, while ignoring his past history of tearing both ACLS and maybe raping 22 massage therapists. Thats just desperation.
We have the cap to cut Peat as a pre-June 1 cut. Make that happen Loomis. Start saving for a rainy day not making desperation moves.

Loomis trades away all our draft picks because he does not have the cajones to try to draft more good young players and move on from mistakes.

What team isn’t losing stars from season to season? When the Bucs brought back all their players last year that was unprecedented. Brady was taking really team friendly deals for the Pats as they traded away and released stars because they didn’t want to pay them. Our QB ate up the cap and still has dead money on our books as I type this reply. This team has been BALLING year in and year out for a long time now. I’m not getting all the angst for the front office.

SmashMouth · 03-18-2022, 10:07 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

What team isn’t losing stars from season to season? When the Bucs brought back all their players last year that was unprecedented. Brady was taking really team friendly deals for the Pats as they traded away and released stars because they didn’t want to pay them. Our QB ate up the cap and still has dead money on our books as I type this reply. This team has been BALLING year in and year out for a long time now. I’m not getting all the angst for the front office.

Can you come in and contribute on a cheap veteran deal?

rezburna · 03-18-2022, 10:08 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Can you come in and contribute on a cheap veteran deal?

It’s over for me bro. My back is dying by the day. If not for that my knees and ankles are still really healthy. But bad squat form has me all ****ed up.

RailBoss · 03-18-2022, 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Desean is a Brown now and the Saints still need a QB.

I'm not so sure Dennis Allen is all that fond of Winston as his starter in 2022 either. Maybe Dougie M puts in a good word on his former QB from Jacksonville - Gardner Minshew. He's fun as hell to watch that's for sure.

Not much left out there in Free Agency land for QB's.

Garner Minshew shades of..........

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TheOak · 03-19-2022, 04:23 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Yeah. I don’t think Allen believes in Jameis.

It very well could be the other way around. Sean was the driving force behind Winston as well as the QB developer and he’s gone which leaves Winston with Allen. Add to that the absolute sh1t show the Saints just put on chasing Waston which as a fan has me questioning whether we are the worse franchise for being stupid enough to go all in and not win.

We made Winston an offer, usually when a team lowballs a player the agent lets that get out if the player wants to go to the team. Then there is this from Winston after asked about the Saints offer, “I still view myself as a starter in this league and that's what I'm looking for." telling me he wasn’t offered starter money or money close enough to even negotiate. Or he just has no interest.

That front office pissed a lot of people off both on the field and in the stands this week.

03-18-2022, 07:51 PM	#611
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,683	Re: Deshaun Watson to Saints? Originally Posted by K Major Desean is a Brown now and the Saints still need a QB. I'm not so sure Dennis Allen is all that fond of Winston as his starter in 2022 either. Maybe Dougie M puts in a good word on his former QB from Jacksonville - Gardner Minshew. He's fun as hell to watch that's for sure. Not much left out there in Free Agency land for QB's. Yeah. I don’t think Allen believes in Jameis.

03-18-2022, 08:20 PM	#612
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,957	Re: Deshaun Watson to Saints? Originally Posted by jeanpierre Am bothered that the same braintrust is still in place and tried to make this happen... Am also reassured the Football Gods saved this fanbase and the team from themselves... I could not disagree more. I wouldn't exchange Loomis, Harley and Ireland for any other team's "braintrust." They want to win and they made an aggressive and strategic move in going after Watson. They are not the "morality police," and their job is to put together the most competitive roster of athletes/players they can - not literal saints. Make no mistake about it - the Saints would have been far more competitive with Watson as their QB than any of the other option available to them. Also, they had to do all that they could to prevent him from being signed by a division rival or at the very least drive up the price of signing him. AsylumGuido, K Major, rezburna and 1 others like this.
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03-18-2022, 08:47 PM	#613
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Deshaun Watson to Saints? Originally Posted by FinSaint I could not disagree more. I wouldn't exchange Loomis, Harley and Ireland for any other team's "braintrust." They want to win and they made an aggressive and strategic move in going after Watson. They are not the "morality police," and their job is to put together the most competitive roster of athletes/players they can - not literal saints. Make no mistake about it - the Saints would have been far more competitive with Watson as their QB than any of the other option available to them. Also, they had to do all that they could to prevent him from being signed by a division rival or at the very least drive up the price of signing him. Keep in mind Loomis traded two mid-round first round picks to move up and take Johnathan Sullivan... Loomis also rubberstamped the Jairus Byrd deal... And this rolling debt forward has now led to us losing two members of that great 2017 draft class... Loomis should've step down with Payton, allowed Ireland to take over... As far as being the morality police, Brees showed what can happen to a locker room when you choose men of substance to lead your team... iceshack149, jnormand and SmashMouth like this.
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BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 1,777	Re: Deshaun Watson to Saints? I could not disagree more with your disagreeing more. I would exchange Loomis, Harley, and Ireland for the Patriots braintrust in a heartbeat, they won 6 super bowls without blowing up the cap as much as we did winning 1. Yeah, they had Brady, but we had Brees too. We are set up to fail for years with Peat, Hill, and Thomas repeatedly restructured owing them all kinds of future money. Loomis and his team may want to win but hey my daughter wants a pony. She can't afford one. We can't afford a receiver who is good and has played the last two years. Thats because Loomis' cap wizardry is a spell where we magically get under the cap by putting ourselves in the same mess the next offseason and losing a star every season like Hendrickson, Sanders, Williams, and maybe Armstead. Its a magic trick where he makes stars disappear and wows the crowd that SOME stars are still in place. Other teams are improving in the offseason, teams with better records than us, and we are not. Our only hope was trying to lure a big QB with the prospect of playing alongside maybe zero good receivers, no good TE, and a declining oline, while ignoring his past history of tearing both ACLS and maybe raping 22 massage therapists. Thats just desperation. We have the cap to cut Peat as a pre-June 1 cut. Make that happen Loomis. Start saving for a rainy day not making desperation moves. Loomis trades away all our draft picks because he does not have the cajones to try to draft more good young players and move on from mistakes. Originally Posted by FinSaint I could not disagree more. I wouldn't exchange Loomis, Harley and Ireland for any other team's "braintrust." They want to win and they made an aggressive and strategic move in going after Watson. They are not the "morality police," and their job is to put together the most competitive roster of athletes/players they can - not literal saints. Make no mistake about it - the Saints would have been far more competitive with Watson as their QB than any of the other option available to them. Also, they had to do all that they could to prevent him from being signed by a division rival or at the very least drive up the price of signing him.
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03-18-2022, 10:05 PM	#616
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,683	Re: Deshaun Watson to Saints? Originally Posted by BakoSaint I could not disagree more with your disagreeing more. I would exchange Loomis, Harley, and Ireland for the Patriots braintrust in a heartbeat, they won 6 super bowls without blowing up the cap as much as we did winning 1. Yeah, they had Brady, but we had Brees too. We are set up to fail for years with Peat, Hill, and Thomas repeatedly restructured owing them all kinds of future money. Loomis and his team may want to win but hey my daughter wants a pony. She can't afford one. We can't afford a receiver who is good and has played the last two years. Thats because Loomis' cap wizardry is a spell where we magically get under the cap by putting ourselves in the same mess the next offseason and losing a star every season like Hendrickson, Sanders, Williams, and maybe Armstead. Its a magic trick where he makes stars disappear and wows the crowd that SOME stars are still in place. Other teams are improving in the offseason, teams with better records than us, and we are not. Our only hope was trying to lure a big QB with the prospect of playing alongside maybe zero good receivers, no good TE, and a declining oline, while ignoring his past history of tearing both ACLS and maybe raping 22 massage therapists. Thats just desperation. We have the cap to cut Peat as a pre-June 1 cut. Make that happen Loomis. Start saving for a rainy day not making desperation moves. Loomis trades away all our draft picks because he does not have the cajones to try to draft more good young players and move on from mistakes. What team isn’t losing stars from season to season? When the Bucs brought back all their players last year that was unprecedented. Brady was taking really team friendly deals for the Pats as they traded away and released stars because they didn’t want to pay them. Our QB ate up the cap and still has dead money on our books as I type this reply. This team has been BALLING year in and year out for a long time now. I’m not getting all the angst for the front office. saintsfan1976, AsylumGuido, SmashMouth and 2 others like this.

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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,683	Re: Deshaun Watson to Saints? Originally Posted by SmashMouth Can you come in and contribute on a cheap veteran deal? It’s over for me bro. My back is dying by the day. If not for that my knees and ankles are still really healthy. But bad squat form has me all ****ed up. K Major likes this.
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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,978	Re: Deshaun Watson to Saints? Originally Posted by rezburna Yeah. I don’t think Allen believes in Jameis. It very well could be the other way around. Sean was the driving force behind Winston as well as the QB developer and he’s gone which leaves Winston with Allen. Add to that the absolute sh1t show the Saints just put on chasing Waston which as a fan has me questioning whether we are the worse franchise for being stupid enough to go all in and not win. We made Winston an offer, usually when a team lowballs a player the agent lets that get out if the player wants to go to the team. Then there is this from Winston after asked about the Saints offer, “I still view myself as a starter in this league and that's what I'm looking for." telling me he wasn’t offered starter money or money close enough to even negotiate. Or he just has no interest. That front office pissed a lot of people off both on the field and in the stands this week.
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