Philadelphia Eagles, New Orleans Saints shake up first round of 2022 NFL draft with multi-pick trade

jnormand · 04-04-2022, 05:19 PM

Right now it really doesn't look like a good trade imo. But the Saints love to mortgage their future.

Maybe they have a plan, but to me it looks a little like they're throwing picks away here. I guess if they go deep into the playoffs and that first next year ends up being at the back end of the 1st round, it would make more sense. But I just don't think the Saints are going to do better than an 8 to 10 win season.

I just don't think we have our franchise QB on the roster right now. And we just gave up our 1st round pick next year when the draft will reportedly have a better QB class.

turbo_dog · 04-04-2022, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Right now it really doesn't look like a good trade imo. But the Saints love to mortgage their future.

Maybe they have a plan, but to me it looks a little like they're throwing picks away here. I guess if they go deep into the playoffs and that first next year ends up being at the back end of the 1st round, it would make more sense. But I just don't think the Saints are going to do better than an 8 to 10 win season.

It's hard to see a better season than that. Too many unknowns

1. New head coach
2. Will MT come back as much of a force as he used to be?
3. Will Winston be the QB?
4. Will Kamara even play after the Vegas trouble?
5. What's the O line look like now?

AsylumGuido · 04-04-2022, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by turbo_dog

It's hard to see a better season than that. Too many unknowns

1. New head coach
2. Will MT come back as much of a force as he used to be?
3. Will Winston be the QB?
4. Will Kamara even play after the Vegas trouble?
5. What's the O line look like now?

1. Same coach, different position
2. MT can be just as dominant
3. Winston will be the QB
4. With the speed of the legal system is may be after the season before anything is known
5. It will look better than last year with only one starter playing the whole season

But, then again, I look at the cup being full.

turbo_dog · 04-04-2022, 10:20 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

1. Same coach, different position
2. MT can be just as dominant
3. Winston will be the QB
4. With the speed of the legal system is may be after the season before anything is known
5. It will look better than last year with only one starter playing the whole season

But, then again, I look at the cup being full.

Your answer to number one really shows you don't deal with reality. Your answer to number two is possibly right, but the way you say it with such certainty is perhaps one reason people call you narcissistic. You have no idea if MT will be the same player he was two seasons ago.

AsylumGuido · 04-05-2022, 07:49 AM

Originally Posted by turbo_dog

Your answer to number one really shows you don't deal with reality. Your answer to number two is possibly right, but the way you say it with such certainty is perhaps one reason people call you narcissistic. You have no idea if MT will be the same player he was two seasons ago.

It is an optimistic point of view versus pessimistic point of view. I would be concerned if his game was not heavily dependent upon preparation, knowledge, and the ability to catch anything thrown in his vicinity. He was still making plays on that bad ankle two years ago. I see no reason for him not to be just as effective as he was before the injury.

As for the new coach, Allen is still in direct charge of the defense and the offensive staff remains mostly intact with the addition of one of the best offensive line coaches in the game in Doug Marrone. The notable absence is Payton whom several around here felt was holding the team back.

turbo_dog · 04-05-2022, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

It is an optimistic point of view versus pessimistic point of view. I would be concerned if his game was not heavily dependent upon preparation, knowledge, and the ability to catch anything thrown in his vicinity. He was still making plays on that bad ankle two years ago. I see no reason for him not to be just as effective as he was before the injury.

As for the new coach, Allen is still in direct charge of the defense and the offensive staff remains mostly intact with the addition of one of the best offensive line coaches in the game in Doug Marrone. The notable absence is Payton whom several around here felt was holding the team back.

It is not pessimistic to ask, "Will Michael Thomas be the same player he once was after not playing for one and a half years due to injury?" It's just understanding there is some uncertainty.

Boston Saint · 04-05-2022, 08:18 AM

Originally Posted by turbo_dog

It is not pessimistic to ask, "Will Michael Thomas be the same player he once was after not playing for one and a half years due to injury?" It's just understanding there is some uncertainty.

Yeah, Guido has been unquestioningly in support of a CGM during all his troubles I’ll say that for him.

K Major · 04-05-2022, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by turbo_dog

It is not pessimistic to ask, "Will Michael Thomas be the same player he once was after not playing for one and a half years due to injury?" It's just understanding there is some uncertainty.

Legitimate concern.

I'm in the same camp as you as it relates to MT.

AsylumGuido · 04-05-2022, 08:31 AM

Originally Posted by turbo_dog

It is not pessimistic to ask, "Will Michael Thomas be the same player he once was after not playing for one and a half years due to injury?" It's just understanding there is some uncertainty.

Only if one is concerned over his desire and determination. His game has never been dependent on his physical abilities. The guy only ran a 4.57 40. His vertical was only in the 44 percentile. His 60 yard shuttle was in the bottom 4th.

04-04-2022, 05:19 PM	#1
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,737	Re: Philadelphia Eagles, New Orleans Saints shake up first round of 2022 NFL draft with multi-pick trade Right now it really doesn't look like a good trade imo. But the Saints love to mortgage their future. Maybe they have a plan, but to me it looks a little like they're throwing picks away here. I guess if they go deep into the playoffs and that first next year ends up being at the back end of the 1st round, it would make more sense. But I just don't think the Saints are going to do better than an 8 to 10 win season. I just don't think we have our franchise QB on the roster right now. And we just gave up our 1st round pick next year when the draft will reportedly have a better QB class.

04-04-2022, 05:25 PM	#2
turbo_dog 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Atlanta Posts: 1,635	Re: Philadelphia Eagles, New Orleans Saints shake up first round of 2022 NFL draft with multi-pick trade Originally Posted by jnormand Right now it really doesn't look like a good trade imo. But the Saints love to mortgage their future. Maybe they have a plan, but to me it looks a little like they're throwing picks away here. I guess if they go deep into the playoffs and that first next year ends up being at the back end of the 1st round, it would make more sense. But I just don't think the Saints are going to do better than an 8 to 10 win season. It's hard to see a better season than that. Too many unknowns 1. New head coach 2. Will MT come back as much of a force as he used to be? 3. Will Winston be the QB? 4. Will Kamara even play after the Vegas trouble? 5. What's the O line look like now? jnormand likes this.

04-04-2022, 06:06 PM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,492	Re: Philadelphia Eagles, New Orleans Saints shake up first round of 2022 NFL draft with multi-pick trade Originally Posted by turbo_dog It's hard to see a better season than that. Too many unknowns 1. New head coach 2. Will MT come back as much of a force as he used to be? 3. Will Winston be the QB? 4. Will Kamara even play after the Vegas trouble? 5. What's the O line look like now? 1. Same coach, different position 2. MT can be just as dominant 3. Winston will be the QB 4. With the speed of the legal system is may be after the season before anything is known 5. It will look better than last year with only one starter playing the whole season But, then again, I look at the cup being full.

04-04-2022, 10:20 PM	#4
turbo_dog 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Atlanta Posts: 1,635	Re: Philadelphia Eagles, New Orleans Saints shake up first round of 2022 NFL draft with multi-pick trade Originally Posted by AsylumGuido 1. Same coach, different position 2. MT can be just as dominant 3. Winston will be the QB 4. With the speed of the legal system is may be after the season before anything is known 5. It will look better than last year with only one starter playing the whole season But, then again, I look at the cup being full. Your answer to number one really shows you don't deal with reality. Your answer to number two is possibly right, but the way you say it with such certainty is perhaps one reason people call you narcissistic. You have no idea if MT will be the same player he was two seasons ago.

04-05-2022, 07:49 AM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,492	Re: Philadelphia Eagles, New Orleans Saints shake up first round of 2022 NFL draft with multi-pick trade Originally Posted by turbo_dog Your answer to number one really shows you don't deal with reality. Your answer to number two is possibly right, but the way you say it with such certainty is perhaps one reason people call you narcissistic. You have no idea if MT will be the same player he was two seasons ago. It is an optimistic point of view versus pessimistic point of view. I would be concerned if his game was not heavily dependent upon preparation, knowledge, and the ability to catch anything thrown in his vicinity. He was still making plays on that bad ankle two years ago. I see no reason for him not to be just as effective as he was before the injury. As for the new coach, Allen is still in direct charge of the defense and the offensive staff remains mostly intact with the addition of one of the best offensive line coaches in the game in Doug Marrone. The notable absence is Payton whom several around here felt was holding the team back.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

04-05-2022, 08:04 AM	#6
turbo_dog 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Atlanta Posts: 1,635	Re: Philadelphia Eagles, New Orleans Saints shake up first round of 2022 NFL draft with multi-pick trade Originally Posted by AsylumGuido It is an optimistic point of view versus pessimistic point of view. I would be concerned if his game was not heavily dependent upon preparation, knowledge, and the ability to catch anything thrown in his vicinity. He was still making plays on that bad ankle two years ago. I see no reason for him not to be just as effective as he was before the injury. As for the new coach, Allen is still in direct charge of the defense and the offensive staff remains mostly intact with the addition of one of the best offensive line coaches in the game in Doug Marrone. The notable absence is Payton whom several around here felt was holding the team back. It is not pessimistic to ask, "Will Michael Thomas be the same player he once was after not playing for one and a half years due to injury?" It's just understanding there is some uncertainty. jnormand, K Major and Boston Saint like this.

04-05-2022, 08:18 AM	#7
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Philadelphia Eagles, New Orleans Saints shake up first round of 2022 NFL draft with multi-pick trade Originally Posted by turbo_dog It is not pessimistic to ask, "Will Michael Thomas be the same player he once was after not playing for one and a half years due to injury?" It's just understanding there is some uncertainty. Yeah, Guido has been unquestioningly in support of a CGM during all his troubles I’ll say that for him. Rugby Saint II likes this.

04-05-2022, 08:22 AM	#8
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,742 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Philadelphia Eagles, New Orleans Saints shake up first round of 2022 NFL draft with multi-pick trade Originally Posted by turbo_dog It is not pessimistic to ask, "Will Michael Thomas be the same player he once was after not playing for one and a half years due to injury?" It's just understanding there is some uncertainty. Legitimate concern. I'm in the same camp as you as it relates to MT. Lord_Saint83 likes this.

04-05-2022, 08:31 AM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,492	Re: Philadelphia Eagles, New Orleans Saints shake up first round of 2022 NFL draft with multi-pick trade Originally Posted by turbo_dog It is not pessimistic to ask, "Will Michael Thomas be the same player he once was after not playing for one and a half years due to injury?" It's just understanding there is some uncertainty. Only if one is concerned over his desire and determination. His game has never been dependent on his physical abilities. The guy only ran a 4.57 40. His vertical was only in the 44 percentile. His 60 yard shuttle was in the bottom 4th.