Fire Mickey Loomis for giving up a 3rd round pick for Andy dalton!!!

jeanpierre · 04-06-2022, 05:08 AM

Fair question - Was the market for Dalton red-hot, or could we have waited?

Boston Saint · 04-06-2022, 06:38 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Fair question - Was the market for Dalton red-hot, or could we have waited?

Good question. But even if the market was not hot, By adding him now he gets extra time to to learn about the coaches, the offense and his teammates and vice versa.

saintsfan1976 · 04-06-2022, 06:55 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Fair question - Was the market for Dalton red-hot, or could we have waited?

None of us know. You should probably ask Daltons agent.

SmashMouth · 04-06-2022, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Fair question - Was the market for Dalton red-hot, or could we have waited?

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

None of us know. You should probably ask Daltons agent.

They'll prolly all say... the market was RED HOT, and we were in danger of losing him.

The fairer question to ask is: Is three weeks early enough to justify the potential of a potential loss of a 3rd rounder for a backup QB, one that will hopefully not play. And does that also mean they have less confidence in Ian Book?

This move may be more controversial than we realize. We'll just have to see it unfold.

stickman · 04-06-2022, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

They'll prolly all say... the market was RED HOT, and we were in danger of losing him.

The fairer question to ask is: Is three weeks early enough to justify the potential of a potential loss of a 3rd rounder for a backup QB, one that will hopefully not play. And does that also mean they have less confidence in Ian Book?

This move may be more controversial than we realize. We'll just have to see it unfold.

I don't see the logic in not making a move based on a pick that you "might" get. I am not saying a compensatory 3rd rounder is not worth anything, I'm just saying you shouldn't behave as if it is guaranteed.

rezburna · 04-06-2022, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Fair question - Was the market for Dalton red-hot, or could we have waited?

I'm guessing they wanted to get him in before offseason activities began so he can learn the system and get some familiarity within the organization. I'm not mad it. Dalton should be a really solid back up for 2 or 3 years.

AsylumGuido · 04-06-2022, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I'm guessing they wanted to get him in before offseason activities began so he can learn the system and get some familiarity within the organization. I'm not mad it. Dalton should be a really solid back up for 2 or 3 years.

This makes perfect sense. Getting your primary backup in place in time for off-season activities is worth more than the possibility of maybe getting a pick after the tail-end of the third round (actually basically a 4th rounder) IF Terron Armstead can stay healthy for the Dolphins (which is absolutely not a given).

jeanpierre · 04-07-2022, 02:47 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I'm guessing they wanted to get him in before offseason activities began so he can learn the system and get some familiarity within the organization. I'm not mad it. Dalton should be a really solid back up for 2 or 3 years.

Rez, that's one of the criticisms of the signing, Dalton was only signed to a one year deal and it may cost them a R3 compensatory pick...

It will largely depend on the totality of other signings; but if the Saints lost a Top 100 pick in the draft because of this signing - then the heat will be brought to bear...

And if anyone questions the importance of a Round 3 compensatory pick, bear in mind, we just traded one of those picks in the trade with the Eagles, to gain a R1 pick...

Also Trey Hendrickson was drafted with an acquired compensatory R3 pick (Brandin Cooks Trade), so despite some fools, there's definite value with those picks...

WW_Who_Dat · 04-07-2022, 07:19 AM

Some times you just have shake your head and smile at these underemployed GM’s that work this board … of I’m just a fan circa 1967 😎✌️

jeanpierre · 04-07-2022, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat

Some times you just have shake your head and smile at these underemployed GM’s that work this board … of I’m just a fan circa 1967 😎✌️

Yeah, some are just better at being a #YesMan when giving the opportunity...

04-06-2022, 05:08 AM	#1
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Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Fire Mickey Loomis for giving up a 3rd round pick for Andy dalton!!! Originally Posted by jeanpierre Fair question - Was the market for Dalton red-hot, or could we have waited? Good question. But even if the market was not hot, By adding him now he gets extra time to to learn about the coaches, the offense and his teammates and vice versa. Rsanders24, Crusader, Rugby Saint II and 2 others like this.

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saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,995 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Fire Mickey Loomis for giving up a 3rd round pick for Andy dalton!!! Originally Posted by jeanpierre Fair question - Was the market for Dalton red-hot, or could we have waited? None of us know. You should probably ask Daltons agent.

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SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,550 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Fire Mickey Loomis for giving up a 3rd round pick for Andy dalton!!! Originally Posted by jeanpierre Fair question - Was the market for Dalton red-hot, or could we have waited? Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 None of us know. You should probably ask Daltons agent. They'll prolly all say... the market was RED HOT, and we were in danger of losing him. The fairer question to ask is: Is three weeks early enough to justify the potential of a potential loss of a 3rd rounder for a backup QB, one that will hopefully not play. And does that also mean they have less confidence in Ian Book? This move may be more controversial than we realize. We'll just have to see it unfold. jeanpierre and Rugby Saint II like this.

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stickman 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Gonzales, LA Posts: 1,765	Re: Fire Mickey Loomis for giving up a 3rd round pick for Andy dalton!!! Originally Posted by SmashMouth They'll prolly all say... the market was RED HOT, and we were in danger of losing him. The fairer question to ask is: Is three weeks early enough to justify the potential of a potential loss of a 3rd rounder for a backup QB, one that will hopefully not play. And does that also mean they have less confidence in Ian Book? This move may be more controversial than we realize. We'll just have to see it unfold. I don't see the logic in not making a move based on a pick that you "might" get. I am not saying a compensatory 3rd rounder is not worth anything, I'm just saying you shouldn't behave as if it is guaranteed. AsylumGuido and Rugby Saint II like this.

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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,020	Re: Fire Mickey Loomis for giving up a 3rd round pick for Andy dalton!!! Originally Posted by jeanpierre Fair question - Was the market for Dalton red-hot, or could we have waited? I'm guessing they wanted to get him in before offseason activities began so he can learn the system and get some familiarity within the organization. I'm not mad it. Dalton should be a really solid back up for 2 or 3 years. Crusader, AsylumGuido and Rugby Saint II like this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,573	Re: Fire Mickey Loomis for giving up a 3rd round pick for Andy dalton!!! Originally Posted by rezburna I'm guessing they wanted to get him in before offseason activities began so he can learn the system and get some familiarity within the organization. I'm not mad it. Dalton should be a really solid back up for 2 or 3 years. This makes perfect sense. Getting your primary backup in place in time for off-season activities is worth more than the possibility of maybe getting a pick after the tail-end of the third round (actually basically a 4th rounder) IF Terron Armstead can stay healthy for the Dolphins (which is absolutely not a given).

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Fire Mickey Loomis for giving up a 3rd round pick for Andy dalton!!! Originally Posted by rezburna I'm guessing they wanted to get him in before offseason activities began so he can learn the system and get some familiarity within the organization. I'm not mad it. Dalton should be a really solid back up for 2 or 3 years. Rez, that's one of the criticisms of the signing, Dalton was only signed to a one year deal and it may cost them a R3 compensatory pick... It will largely depend on the totality of other signings; but if the Saints lost a Top 100 pick in the draft because of this signing - then the heat will be brought to bear... And if anyone questions the importance of a Round 3 compensatory pick, bear in mind, we just traded one of those picks in the trade with the Eagles, to gain a R1 pick... Also Trey Hendrickson was drafted with an acquired compensatory R3 pick (Brandin Cooks Trade), so despite some fools, there's definite value with those picks... rezburna likes this.
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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Fire Mickey Loomis for giving up a 3rd round pick for Andy dalton!!! Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat Some times you just have shake your head and smile at these underemployed GM’s that work this board … of I’m just a fan circa 1967 😎✌️ *Yeah, some are just better at being a #YesMan* when giving the opportunity...**