Fire Mickey Loomis for giving up a 3rd round pick for Andy dalton!!!

SmashMouth · 04-06-2022, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Fair question - Was the market for Dalton red-hot, or could we have waited?

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

None of us know. You should probably ask Daltons agent.

They'll prolly all say... the market was RED HOT, and we were in danger of losing him.

The fairer question to ask is: Is three weeks early enough to justify the potential of a potential loss of a 3rd rounder for a backup QB, one that will hopefully not play. And does that also mean they have less confidence in Ian Book?

This move may be more controversial than we realize. We'll just have to see it unfold.

stickman · 04-06-2022, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

They'll prolly all say... the market was RED HOT, and we were in danger of losing him.

The fairer question to ask is: Is three weeks early enough to justify the potential of a potential loss of a 3rd rounder for a backup QB, one that will hopefully not play. And does that also mean they have less confidence in Ian Book?

This move may be more controversial than we realize. We'll just have to see it unfold.

I don't see the logic in not making a move based on a pick that you "might" get. I am not saying a compensatory 3rd rounder is not worth anything, I'm just saying you shouldn't behave as if it is guaranteed.

rezburna · 04-06-2022, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Fair question - Was the market for Dalton red-hot, or could we have waited?

I'm guessing they wanted to get him in before offseason activities began so he can learn the system and get some familiarity within the organization. I'm not mad it. Dalton should be a really solid back up for 2 or 3 years.

AsylumGuido · 04-06-2022, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I'm guessing they wanted to get him in before offseason activities began so he can learn the system and get some familiarity within the organization. I'm not mad it. Dalton should be a really solid back up for 2 or 3 years.

This makes perfect sense. Getting your primary backup in place in time for off-season activities is worth more than the possibility of maybe getting a pick after the tail-end of the third round (actually basically a 4th rounder) IF Terron Armstead can stay healthy for the Dolphins (which is absolutely not a given).

jeanpierre · 04-07-2022, 03:47 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I'm guessing they wanted to get him in before offseason activities began so he can learn the system and get some familiarity within the organization. I'm not mad it. Dalton should be a really solid back up for 2 or 3 years.

Rez, that's one of the criticisms of the signing, Dalton was only signed to a one year deal and it may cost them a R3 compensatory pick...

It will largely depend on the totality of other signings; but if the Saints lost a Top 100 pick in the draft because of this signing - then the heat will be brought to bear...

And if anyone questions the importance of a Round 3 compensatory pick, bear in mind, we just traded one of those picks in the trade with the Eagles, to gain a R1 pick...

Also Trey Hendrickson was drafted with an acquired compensatory R3 pick (Brandin Cooks Trade), so despite some fools, there's definite value with those picks...

The Dude · 04-07-2022, 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

The title is misleading IMO. It's based on the calculations of next year's comp picks and that signing Dalton wipes away one of the potential 3rd rounders for Williams and Armstead, while the signing of Maye already wiped the other.

If this leads to someone wanting Loomis to be fired - I really don't know what to say to that person, except "you be you "

Do. You do you. I think that’s the in fashion, over used phrase the prissy millennials use.

WW_Who_Dat · 04-07-2022, 08:19 AM

Some times you just have shake your head and smile at these underemployed GM’s that work this board … of I’m just a fan circa 1967 😎✌️

jeanpierre · 04-07-2022, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat

Some times you just have shake your head and smile at these underemployed GM’s that work this board … of I’m just a fan circa 1967 😎✌️

Yeah, some are just better at being a #YesMan when giving the opportunity...

TheOak · 04-07-2022, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

It was Sean Payton and Drew Brees that got us out of that, Loomis was just an accountant who hung on for the ride. Mickey Loomis can go to the Falcons board when he is fired next year. He is just like Calvin Ridley, betting on his own team even when the consequences are that they lose a first round pick.

When you rewind your Saints history tape, it is a good practice to rewind all the way, or at least to the point that tells you that you shouldn't make the statement you are about to make.

With out that 'just an accountant" you don't have Sean Payton or Drew Brees. If 'the accountant' chooses differently you have Jets defensive coordinator Donnie Henderson, or Cleveland Browns offensive coordinator Maurice Carthon, former or Green Bay head coach Mike Sherman or former St. Louis Rams coach Mike Martz.

If 'the accountant' is responsible for Andy Dalton then he is also responsible for Brees, Sproles, Sharper (wouldn't have been in a SB without his 9 interceptions and only 2 players in the NFL have beaten that number in the last 12 years.)Shall i keep going?

If you are going to say 'the accountant' is not responsible for those above free agents then you hang Andy Dalton on Dennis Allen.

Either way at some point your passion needs a dose of logic.

Rugby Saint II · 04-07-2022, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Yeah, some are just better at being a #YesMan when giving the opportunity...

I get that. Oh yes!

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SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,125 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Fire Mickey Loomis for giving up a 3rd round pick for Andy dalton!!! Originally Posted by jeanpierre Fair question - Was the market for Dalton red-hot, or could we have waited? Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 None of us know. You should probably ask Daltons agent. They'll prolly all say... the market was RED HOT, and we were in danger of losing him. The fairer question to ask is: Is three weeks early enough to justify the potential of a potential loss of a 3rd rounder for a backup QB, one that will hopefully not play. And does that also mean they have less confidence in Ian Book? This move may be more controversial than we realize. We'll just have to see it unfold. jeanpierre and Rugby Saint II like this.

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stickman 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Gonzales, LA Posts: 1,680	Re: Fire Mickey Loomis for giving up a 3rd round pick for Andy dalton!!! Originally Posted by SmashMouth They'll prolly all say... the market was RED HOT, and we were in danger of losing him. The fairer question to ask is: Is three weeks early enough to justify the potential of a potential loss of a 3rd rounder for a backup QB, one that will hopefully not play. And does that also mean they have less confidence in Ian Book? This move may be more controversial than we realize. We'll just have to see it unfold. I don't see the logic in not making a move based on a pick that you "might" get. I am not saying a compensatory 3rd rounder is not worth anything, I'm just saying you shouldn't behave as if it is guaranteed. AsylumGuido and Rugby Saint II like this.

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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,903	Re: Fire Mickey Loomis for giving up a 3rd round pick for Andy dalton!!! Originally Posted by jeanpierre Fair question - Was the market for Dalton red-hot, or could we have waited? I'm guessing they wanted to get him in before offseason activities began so he can learn the system and get some familiarity within the organization. I'm not mad it. Dalton should be a really solid back up for 2 or 3 years. Crusader, AsylumGuido and Rugby Saint II like this.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Fire Mickey Loomis for giving up a 3rd round pick for Andy dalton!!! Originally Posted by rezburna I'm guessing they wanted to get him in before offseason activities began so he can learn the system and get some familiarity within the organization. I'm not mad it. Dalton should be a really solid back up for 2 or 3 years. Rez, that's one of the criticisms of the signing, Dalton was only signed to a one year deal and it may cost them a R3 compensatory pick... It will largely depend on the totality of other signings; but if the Saints lost a Top 100 pick in the draft because of this signing - then the heat will be brought to bear... And if anyone questions the importance of a Round 3 compensatory pick, bear in mind, we just traded one of those picks in the trade with the Eagles, to gain a R1 pick... Also Trey Hendrickson was drafted with an acquired compensatory R3 pick (Brandin Cooks Trade), so despite some fools, there's definite value with those picks... rezburna likes this.
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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Fire Mickey Loomis for giving up a 3rd round pick for Andy dalton!!! Originally Posted by BakoSaint It was Sean Payton and Drew Brees that got us out of that, Loomis was just an accountant who hung on for the ride. Mickey Loomis can go to the Falcons board when he is fired next year. He is just like Calvin Ridley, betting on his own team even when the consequences are that they lose a first round pick. When you rewind your Saints history tape, it is a good practice to rewind all the way, or at least to the point that tells you that you shouldn't make the statement you are about to make. With out that 'just an accountant" you don't have Sean Payton or Drew Brees. If 'the accountant' chooses differently you have Jets defensive coordinator Donnie Henderson, or Cleveland Browns offensive coordinator Maurice Carthon, former or Green Bay head coach Mike Sherman or former St. Louis Rams coach Mike Martz. If 'the accountant' is responsible for Andy Dalton then he is also responsible for Brees, Sproles, Sharper (wouldn't have been in a SB without his 9 interceptions and only 2 players in the NFL have beaten that number in the last 12 years.)Shall i keep going? If you are going to say 'the accountant' is not responsible for those above free agents then you hang Andy Dalton on Dennis Allen. Either way at some point your passion needs a dose of logic. Crusader, Rugby Saint II, stickman and 2 others like this.
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