BakoSaint

You are predicting 17-0 in the regular season so will you give me the over-under on that? How about we meet in the middle at 12-5? I will give you that bet and even if they reach exactly 12 you win.

The fact is that we were 9-8 last year and with many people predicting far more than 9 wins in this thread, its perfectly reasonable for one person to predict less, based on a much less proven coach. Ironically, I am also the only one who would also trade Payton within the division for three 1st round picks, because I guess I feel someone worth three 1st round picks could be worth 2 wins in the record, whereas others think he is worth 8 1st rounders within the division but at the same time expect we will win more games without him.