Captain Checkdown: The quarterbacks who most and least rely on checkdown passes

SaintGnome · 06-02-2022, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I don't think we have truly seen what he is currently capable of doing. I feel that basing whatever we saw from his time in Tampa must be taken with a grain of salt. He was never asked to "check down", but rather to constantly go for the big play, in other words, "no risk it, no biscuit". He has now had two years learning from Payton and/or Brees. In his brief stint last season he had no fewer than two starting offensive linemen missing every game and just like the rest of our QB's didn't have a tremendous amount of time to throw the ball.

I didn't say he couldn't get or be better, just what I've observed (rightly or wrongly) in the sample size we have.
I mentioned on another post Winston should be brought along slowly. If I was PC I'd tell JW to go progression #1, #2, then go directly to checkdown. If check down is not there, TAKE THE SACK, and live another day. If he gets good at that and the protection is there then go through more progressions.

AsylumGuido · 06-02-2022, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by SaintGnome

I didn't say he couldn't get or be better, just what I've observed (rightly or wrongly) in the sample size we have.
I mentioned on another post Winston should be brought along slowly. If I was PC I'd tell JW to go progression #1, #2, then go directly to checkdown. If check down is not there, TAKE THE SACK, and live another day. If he gets good at that and the protection is there then go through more progressions.

Agree with the sample size.

If Pete Carmichael is aware as I think he is he should be able to ascertain Winston's capabilities of handling the progressions facing arguably the best defense in the league in practice. I doubt he's going to see anything more capable once the season starts.

Of course, I may be wrong, but I fully expect Winston and the Saints offense to be rolling right off the bat.

06-02-2022, 06:40 PM	#1
SaintGnome 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Bradenton,FL Posts: 642	Re: Captain Checkdown: The quarterbacks who most and least rely on checkdown passes Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I don't think we have truly seen what he is currently capable of doing. I feel that basing whatever we saw from his time in Tampa must be taken with a grain of salt. He was never asked to "check down", but rather to constantly go for the big play, in other words, "no risk it, no biscuit". He has now had two years learning from Payton and/or Brees. In his brief stint last season he had no fewer than two starting offensive linemen missing every game and just like the rest of our QB's didn't have a tremendous amount of time to throw the ball. I didn't say he couldn't get or be better, just what I've observed (rightly or wrongly) in the sample size we have. I mentioned on another post Winston should be brought along slowly. If I was PC I'd tell JW to go progression #1, #2, then go directly to checkdown. If check down is not there, TAKE THE SACK, and live another day. If he gets good at that and the protection is there then go through more progressions. AsylumGuido and Rugby Saint II like this.

06-02-2022, 07:01 PM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,871	Re: Captain Checkdown: The quarterbacks who most and least rely on checkdown passes Originally Posted by SaintGnome I didn't say he couldn't get or be better, just what I've observed (rightly or wrongly) in the sample size we have. I mentioned on another post Winston should be brought along slowly. If I was PC I'd tell JW to go progression #1, #2, then go directly to checkdown. If check down is not there, TAKE THE SACK, and live another day. If he gets good at that and the protection is there then go through more progressions. Agree with the sample size. If Pete Carmichael is aware as I think he is he should be able to ascertain Winston's capabilities of handling the progressions facing arguably the best defense in the league in practice. I doubt he's going to see anything more capable once the season starts. Of course, I may be wrong, but I fully expect Winston and the Saints offense to be rolling right off the bat.