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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Playing football in the NFL for all of these guys who are superior athletes is about want to. How bad do they want it? How much are they willing to work at it? In the NFL everybody is strong. Everybody ...
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Re: Trevor Penning leaning into technical aspects of playing offensive tackle with New Orleans Saints
Playing football in the NFL for all of these guys who are superior athletes is about want to. How bad do they want it? How much are they willing to work at it? In the NFL everybody is strong. Everybody has talent. You just have to want it at least as much as the next guy. For offensive linemen, I had rather have a mean SOB with less physical attributes who wants it than someone who hits all the measurables. I don't think Penning has the want to.
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Re: Trevor Penning leaning into technical aspects of playing offensive tackle with New Orleans Saints
A guy like Hurst for example. Doesn't have the physical attributes of Penning. But, he's started a ton of games at different positions for the Saints and has played well. Why? He wants it.
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Re: Trevor Penning leaning into technical aspects of playing offensive tackle with New Orleans Saints
Originally Posted by Cruize
Hurst strikes me as a very cerebral player.![]()
Penning strikes me as a small school boy wonder who just encountered professional grown as$ men. |
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Re: Trevor Penning leaning into technical aspects of playing offensive tackle with New Orleans Saints
Originally Posted by saintsfan1976
Do you think that benching may have destroyed his confidence?![]()
I'm not trying to defend TP, but I'd like to see someone else other than Doug Marrone work with him in 2024. |
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Re: Trevor Penning leaning into technical aspects of playing offensive tackle with New Orleans Saints
Originally Posted by K Major
I very strongly disagree with that concept. There has to be accountability, starting jobs have to be earned. I think being drafted in the 1st round might have destroyed Penning's work ethic and gave him a sense of entitlement. Letting underperforming players keep starting indefinitely to maintain their confidence is just not an option for a competitive team. If the backup is outperforming him, the backup needs to start. And if the backup is outperforming him without the starting gig, imagine how much better the backup will be when being promoted boosts his confidence! Entitlement will destroy a team. Some players may lose confidence and spiral when benched while others may develop a chip on their shoulder and come back stronger, but just gifting low performers the starting gig to boost their confidence will destroy more than one players confidence, it will destroy the entire teams confidence, because none of the players will believe their performance will be acknowledged and rewarded. If anything, what destroyed Penning's confidence was starting him before he was 100% ready, which he may never be.![]()
I would not count on Penning to start again EVER until he proves it. At this point he is a bust and you can hope for improvement but the minute you take that improvement for granted and say he will be fine, that is when you assure it will never happen. Does he have athleticism? Sure. So does Zach Wilson. That means nothing without well rounded skills and results. If he wants to try Guard maybe that will work, but don't pencil him in, he has proved nothing. For Andrus Peat guard was a disaster and his height meant he could not consistently get leverage and was worn down and constantly injured, for Penning it may prove no better. At this point Penning is Zach Wilson, he is Kevin White, he is Jalen Reagar. Counting on him is a pipe dream. The coaching needs to smack him in the face and see if he smacks back or bends over. And any coach or GM who drinks the Kool Aid and says Penning will be great next year and its like having an extra 1st round pick, they need to go. The fact is if we offered up Penning for trade, we would be lucky to get a 7th round pick. If he does not produce in 2024, he will likely be cut and looking for vet minimum camp invites. |
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Re: Trevor Penning leaning into technical aspects of playing offensive tackle with New Orleans Saints
Originally Posted by BakoSaint
So in other words we hoped for another Teron Armstead but ending up with Robert Gallery.![]()
As for "cutting", I simply don't see that. Not with this organization (especially while Loomis is the GM) as we tend to hold on to dead weight longer than most teams. The Saints coaching staff needs to be committed on playing up to his strengths & build on the things that he does well. Bring in Roaf, Stincomb etc and work with him in the off season. I still won't rule out moving him to inside @ guard. People forget Andrus Peat struggled at LT earlier on in his career, then moved to guard where he has been good in run blocking. |
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Re: Trevor Penning leaning into technical aspects of playing offensive tackle with New Orleans Saints
I'd like to see a former player and/or analyst breakdown Trevor's complete body of work thus far.
From my untrained eye, the man is just slow to move his feet & resorts to tripping defenders, subsequent flag. Why not try to move him inside (G)? To be a former 1st rounder, you simply expect him to be better at this stage of his career. Just look at Bears rookie tackle Darnell Wright ... he's had solid showings against very good pass rushers (Crosby, Hunter, Chris Jones etc). Loomis can't keep holding on to these "injury" excuses. Saints better figure it out this off season. Penning's regression has been baffling. |
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Re: Trevor Penning leaning into technical aspects of playing offensive tackle with New Orleans Saints
Originally Posted by K Major
I personally think he will be moved inside to see if they can anything out of him and maybe later try him again on the outside. I am not convinced moving him inside will work because I would have to think it would have been tried during the season when those injuries started hitting.
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Re: Trevor Penning leaning into technical aspects of playing offensive tackle with New Orleans Saints
Originally Posted by MatthewT
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There is this view that if a player isn't athletic or moving quickly enough at tackle that moving to guard is the solution. IMO I don't think it gets any easier and if anything it gets more challenging. In pass blocking you're going to have to recognize more stunts and get in position better. In run blocking you'll have to pull and lead a fair amount. Playing guard is far from being a traffic cone. |
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Re: Trevor Penning leaning into technical aspects of playing offensive tackle with New Orleans Saints
Originally Posted by neugey
So he's a fullback
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