2022 New Orleans Saints roster breakdown: Running backs/fullbacks

06-25-2022, 07:46 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I really think this is the easiest position to address. There’s a surplus of running backs in the NFL. Find you a partner and trade for one.

Alexander Mattison
Darrell Henderson
J.D. McKissisic

There’s a lot of back ups that could come in and hold it down. Send a pick and let’s get it going.

Agreed, maybe not with the choices, but the last sentence sums it up...let's get it going.

We may need a bruiser back depending on whether our new O-Line is ready for Prime Time. It is one unproven part of our team.

AsylumGuido · 06-25-2022, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by subguy

Passive aggressive again. Taking one positive play out of how many plays to prove some non-relevant point about Winston and how great he is, and that our RB isn't old. Known scientific fact, everyone ages gradually, then that one day is celebrated every year.

This is the same way you try to let everyone know you are right about MT.

Honestly, to give you the same type of passive aggressive response, we are so fortunate to have the mountain come to us so we don't have to go to the mountain. That is the persona you portray on the thread.

If I need to dissect the fact that until Winston does something to counter-balance his legacy, he will carry that legacy. Bad judgement, in a nutshell, without quoting stats.

Don't worry, I'll quote those stats for you. 33 TD's, over 5000 yards passing, and 30 interceptions in 2019 with their own 29th ranked scoring defense giving up over 28 points per game. And the bad judgement, in my opinion, was the "no risk it, no biscuit" mantra of coach Bruce Arians that had Winston throwing the ball into danger, by design, time and time again.

Rugby Saint II · 06-25-2022, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Guido, you have no concept of conversational to and fro writing or grasp of “context”. Rugs made a post about his doubts on AKs upcoming availability and the quality of the depth at the RB position. He then expresses desire for a trade to bolster the position. I liked his post as I agree with him 100%. I fear the RB position may be our achilles’ heel this year (BTW that doesn’t mean I hate Kamara for pulling a jerk move or Ingram for getting old or Jones Jr for being unproven).

You then make a post that in tone and context refutes him. You express no worry about AK missing games and indicate you wouldn’t be surprised if it doesn’t happen this year. (Forgetting the idea he could still miss games with injury as he sometimes has). You also don’t address the concern of positional depth he brings up in his post. You could have said “There’s question marks, but the team will eventually address them” or something like that. But you don’t. You only try to show him wrong. Your post didn’t say the team shouldn’t be prepared but you sure has hell didn’t agree with Ruggs point that they should be. You made a post to invalidate his position and said nothing to agree or recognize his concerns. It’s a matter of being able to disagree with a poster without being confrontational. It’s something you sorely lack.

Sorry if I stepped on your toes Ruggs. I agree with your post fully and have expressed the same idea a couple of times. When Guido responded in the dismissive manner he did I felt like responding.

I thought that Guido and I sere debating points that we see differently. I understand how Guido thinks. We don't always agree but we have a mutual respect for each other. In my opinion both Boston, who is a ray of sunshine, and Guido make good points from opposite ends of the spectrum that I respect. I rarely let things get under my skin these days as I mellow with age.

This is a Saints discussion board and I have changed my mind before with new information shared by members. I love to see different perspectives which gives me something to think about.

By the way Rugs has one g.

Rugby Saint II · 06-25-2022, 02:32 PM

I wonder if Carmichael has the same need for a fullback that Payton did? I believe only a small percentage of teams still use them.

AsylumGuido · 06-25-2022, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I wonder if Carmichael has the same need for a fullback that Payton did? I believe only a small percentage of teams still use them.

We are one of the few that even carry one on the roster. So it appears he'll be used.

Rugby Saint II · 06-25-2022, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

We are one of the few that even carry one on the roster. So it appears he'll be used.

Weren't we looking at a replacement for Adam Prentice last year? The running backs had no room to work with at all. Of course, the O-line was playing tag and musical chairs all year long. It wasn't pretty. Ok. It was ugly as hell!

Incidentally, for some reason I'm getting a PT vibe from what I hear coming out of training camp about undrafted rookie Abram Smith. Antonio Pittman who was drafted in the fourth round didn't even get a roster spot when Pierre Thomas was a rookie. We've had success in the past also with Chris Ivory and other UDFA's who played well for us. Any thoughts on the RB coach Joel Thomas?

The Dude · 06-25-2022, 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Excuse me? Exactly who is saying that the team shouldn't be prepared? I missed that. I never said things couldn't go bad. I was pointing out that the timetable on that is totally unknown and may very well not be the first six games. If punishment comes down it could be eight games in the middle of the 2022 season. It could be four games at the end of the season running into the playoffs. It could be the first three games of the 2023 season. And, yes, it could come at the start of this season. If it comes at all.

I would assume the Saints are concerned about signing a vet prior to the beginning of the season with his salary being guaranteed for the entire year, especially if it looks like Kamara will be available to start the season. With the next investigative session scheduled for August 1 it is a very real possibility that the issue will not be resolved legally before the start of the season. In that case it makes complete sense, if targeting a veteran RB, to wait for the actual signing after the season begins.

Yes, you are always “pointing out” some sort of contrary ****. It’s like Groundhog Day around here.

AsylumGuido · 06-25-2022, 06:58 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

Yes, you are always “pointing out” some sort of contrary ****. It’s like Groundhog Day around here.

Talk about Groundhog Day.

vpheughan · 06-25-2022, 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

We are one of the few that even carry one on the roster. So it appears he'll be used.

"....the few that even carry one." Is the same as "How long is a piece of string?" and "How high is up?"

A simple internet search will yield a variety of answers.

Pick your percentage.

During the 2020-21 season, there were 20 NFL teams with at least one fullback on their roster — the New England Patriots and Tennessee Titans were the only NFL teams with two signed fullbacks. OR .63%

OR

How many NFL teams have a fullback 2021?
According to Over The Cap, a website that tracks player contracts, just 14 of the NFL's 32. OR .44%

Rugby Saint II · 07-06-2022, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by subguy

Agreed, maybe not with the choices, but the last sentence sums it up...let's get it going.

We may need a bruiser back depending on whether our new O-Line is ready for Prime Time. It is one unproven part of our team.

I think we may be waiting for the date when their salary isn't full guaranteed. Possibly we're waiting on cuts too.

06-25-2022, 07:46 AM	#31
Threaded by subguy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: FL Posts: 2,095 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by rezburna I really think this is the easiest position to address. There’s a surplus of running backs in the NFL. Find you a partner and trade for one. Alexander Mattison Darrell Henderson J.D. McKissisic There’s a lot of back ups that could come in and hold it down. Send a pick and let’s get it going. Agreed, maybe not with the choices, but the last sentence sums it up...let's get it going. We may need a bruiser back depending on whether our new O-Line is ready for Prime Time. It is one unproven part of our team.
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06-25-2022, 10:46 AM	#32
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints roster breakdown: Running backs/fullbacks Originally Posted by subguy Passive aggressive again. Taking one positive play out of how many plays to prove some non-relevant point about Winston and how great he is, and that our RB isn't old. Known scientific fact, everyone ages gradually, then that one day is celebrated every year. This is the same way you try to let everyone know you are right about MT. Honestly, to give you the same type of passive aggressive response, we are so fortunate to have the mountain come to us so we don't have to go to the mountain. That is the persona you portray on the thread. If I need to dissect the fact that until Winston does something to counter-balance his legacy, he will carry that legacy. Bad judgement, in a nutshell, without quoting stats. Don't worry, I'll quote those stats for you. 33 TD's, over 5000 yards passing, and 30 interceptions in 2019 with their own 29th ranked scoring defense giving up over 28 points per game. And the bad judgement, in my opinion, was the "no risk it, no biscuit" mantra of coach Bruce Arians that had Winston throwing the ball into danger, by design, time and time again. Rugby Saint II likes this.

06-25-2022, 02:10 PM	#33
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints roster breakdown: Running backs/fullbacks Originally Posted by Boston Saint Guido, you have no concept of conversational to and fro writing or grasp of “context”. Rugs made a post about his doubts on AKs upcoming availability and the quality of the depth at the RB position. He then expresses desire for a trade to bolster the position. I liked his post as I agree with him 100%. I fear the RB position may be our achilles’ heel this year (BTW that doesn’t mean I hate Kamara for pulling a jerk move or Ingram for getting old or Jones Jr for being unproven). You then make a post that in tone and context refutes him. You express no worry about AK missing games and indicate you wouldn’t be surprised if it doesn’t happen this year. (Forgetting the idea he could still miss games with injury as he sometimes has). You also don’t address the concern of positional depth he brings up in his post. You could have said “There’s question marks, but the team will eventually address them” or something like that. But you don’t. You only try to show him wrong. Your post didn’t say the team shouldn’t be prepared but you sure has hell didn’t agree with Ruggs point that they should be. You made a post to invalidate his position and said nothing to agree or recognize his concerns. It’s a matter of being able to disagree with a poster without being confrontational. It’s something you sorely lack. Sorry if I stepped on your toes Ruggs. I agree with your post fully and have expressed the same idea a couple of times. When Guido responded in the dismissive manner he did I felt like responding. I thought that Guido and I sere debating points that we see differently. I understand how Guido thinks. We don't always agree but we have a mutual respect for each other. In my opinion both Boston, who is a ray of sunshine, and Guido make good points from opposite ends of the spectrum that I respect. I rarely let things get under my skin these days as I mellow with age. This is a Saints discussion board and I have changed my mind before with new information shared by members. I love to see different perspectives which gives me something to think about. By the way Rugs has one g. AsylumGuido and Boston Saint like this.
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06-25-2022, 02:32 PM	#34
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints roster breakdown: Running backs/fullbacks I wonder if Carmichael has the same need for a fullback that Payton did? I believe only a small percentage of teams still use them.

06-25-2022, 03:00 PM	#35
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints roster breakdown: Running backs/fullbacks Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I wonder if Carmichael has the same need for a fullback that Payton did? I believe only a small percentage of teams still use them. We are one of the few that even carry one on the roster. So it appears he'll be used.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints roster breakdown: Running backs/fullbacks Originally Posted by AsylumGuido We are one of the few that even carry one on the roster. So it appears he'll be used. Weren't we looking at a replacement for Adam Prentice last year? The running backs had no room to work with at all. Of course, the O-line was playing tag and musical chairs all year long. It wasn't pretty. Ok. It was ugly as hell! Incidentally, for some reason I'm getting a PT vibe from what I hear coming out of training camp about undrafted rookie Abram Smith. Antonio Pittman who was drafted in the fourth round didn't even get a roster spot when Pierre Thomas was a rookie. We've had success in the past also with Chris Ivory and other UDFA's who played well for us. Any thoughts on the RB coach Joel Thomas?
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06-25-2022, 06:53 PM	#37
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints roster breakdown: Running backs/fullbacks Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Excuse me? Exactly who is saying that the team shouldn't be prepared? I missed that. I never said things couldn't go bad. I was pointing out that the timetable on that is totally unknown and may very well not be the first six games. If punishment comes down it could be eight games in the middle of the 2022 season. It could be four games at the end of the season running into the playoffs. It could be the first three games of the 2023 season. And, yes, it could come at the start of this season. If it comes at all. I would assume the Saints are concerned about signing a vet prior to the beginning of the season with his salary being guaranteed for the entire year, especially if it looks like Kamara will be available to start the season. With the next investigative session scheduled for August 1 it is a very real possibility that the issue will not be resolved legally before the start of the season. In that case it makes complete sense, if targeting a veteran RB, to wait for the actual signing after the season begins. Yes, you are always “pointing out” some sort of contrary ****. It’s like Groundhog Day around here.
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints roster breakdown: Running backs/fullbacks Originally Posted by The Dude Yes, you are always “pointing out” some sort of contrary ****. It’s like Groundhog Day around here. Talk about Groundhog Day.

06-25-2022, 09:49 PM	#39
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,520	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints roster breakdown: Running backs/fullbacks Originally Posted by AsylumGuido We are one of the few that even carry one on the roster. So it appears he'll be used. "....the few that even carry one." Is the same as "How long is a piece of string?" and "How high is up?" A simple internet search will yield a variety of answers. Pick your percentage. During the 2020-21 season, there were 20 NFL teams with at least one fullback on their roster — the New England Patriots and Tennessee Titans were the only NFL teams with two signed fullbacks. OR .63% OR How many NFL teams have a fullback 2021? According to Over The Cap, a website that tracks player contracts, just 14 of the NFL's 32. OR .44% Rugby Saint II likes this.
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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints roster breakdown: Running backs/fullbacks Originally Posted by subguy Agreed, maybe not with the choices, but the last sentence sums it up...let's get it going. We may need a bruiser back depending on whether our new O-Line is ready for Prime Time. It is one unproven part of our team. I think we may be waiting for the date when their salary isn't full guaranteed. Possibly we're waiting on cuts too. jeanpierre likes this.