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2022 New Orleans Saints roster breakdown: Running backs/fullbacks

this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; I'm nervous about AK being out for six games or more. After Mark Ingram, who is up there in age, we don't have a proven vet to go to and that makes me nervous too. I won't be surprised if ...

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Old 06-22-2022, 11:12 AM   #1
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Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints roster breakdown: Running backs/fullbacks

I'm nervous about AK being out for six games or more. After Mark Ingram, who is up there in age, we don't have a proven vet to go to and that makes me nervous too. I won't be surprised if we make a trade before TC. If we don't go that route then we will probably pick up a RB after roster cuts.
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Old 06-22-2022, 11:37 AM   #2
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Re: 2022 New Orleans Saints roster breakdown: Running backs/fullbacks

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I'm nervous about AK being out for six games or more. After Mark Ingram, who is up there in age, we don't have a proven vet to go to and that makes me nervous too. I won't be surprised if we make a trade before TC. If we don't go that route then we will probably pick up a RB after roster cuts.
We have no idea when or even IF Kamara is suspended, nor how many games if it comes to pass. They still haven't formally pressed charges and it is still in the investigative stage with the next follow-up appearance not scheduled until August 1. The league now waits for legal proceedings to be resolved before administering punishments and it wouldn't surprise me if it doesn't get resolved until next year.
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Old 06-23-2022, 07:35 AM   #3
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We have no idea when or even IF Kamara is suspended, nor how many games if it comes to pass. They still haven't formally pressed charges and it is still in the investigative stage with the next follow-up appearance not scheduled until August 1. The league now waits for legal proceedings to be resolved before administering punishments and it wouldn't surprise me if it doesn't get resolved until next year.
Others of us are more realistic and want the team to be prepared should things go bad for him.
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Old 06-23-2022, 08:02 AM   #4
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Others of us are more realistic and want the team to be prepared should things go bad for him.
Excuse me? Exactly who is saying that the team shouldn't be prepared? I missed that. I never said things couldn't go bad. I was pointing out that the timetable on that is totally unknown and may very well not be the first six games. If punishment comes down it could be eight games in the middle of the 2022 season. It could be four games at the end of the season running into the playoffs. It could be the first three games of the 2023 season. And, yes, it could come at the start of this season. If it comes at all.

I would assume the Saints are concerned about signing a vet prior to the beginning of the season with his salary being guaranteed for the entire year, especially if it looks like Kamara will be available to start the season. With the next investigative session scheduled for August 1 it is a very real possibility that the issue will not be resolved legally before the start of the season. In that case it makes complete sense, if targeting a veteran RB, to wait for the actual signing after the season begins.

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Excuse me? Exactly who is saying that the team shouldn't be prepared? I missed that. I never said things couldn't go bad. I was pointing out that the timetable on that is totally unknown and may very well not be the first six games. If punishment comes down it could be eight games in the middle of the 2022 season. It could be four games at the end of the season running into the playoffs. It could be the first three games of the 2023 season. And, yes, it could come at the start of this season. If it comes at all.

I would assume the Saints are concerned about signing a vet prior to the beginning of the season with his salary being guaranteed for the entire year, especially if it looks like Kamara will be available to start the season. With the next investigative session scheduled for August 1 it is a very real possibility that the issue will not be resolved legally before the start of the season. In that case it makes complete sense, if targeting a veteran RB, to wait for the actual signing after the season begins.
Guido, you have no concept of conversational to and fro writing or grasp of “context”. Rugs made a post about his doubts on AKs upcoming availability and the quality of the depth at the RB position. He then expresses desire for a trade to bolster the position. I liked his post as I agree with him 100%. I fear the RB position may be our achilles’ heel this year (BTW that doesn’t mean I hate Kamara for pulling a jerk move or Ingram for getting old or Jones Jr for being unproven).

You then make a post that in tone and context refutes him. You express no worry about AK missing games and indicate you wouldn’t be surprised if it doesn’t happen this year. (Forgetting the idea he could still miss games with injury as he sometimes has). You also don’t address the concern of positional depth he brings up in his post. You could have said “There’s question marks, but the team will eventually address them” or something like that. But you don’t. You only try to show him wrong. Your post didn’t say the team shouldn’t be prepared but you sure has hell didn’t agree with Ruggs point that they should be. You made a post to invalidate his position and said nothing to agree or recognize his concerns. It’s a matter of being able to disagree with a poster without being confrontational. It’s something you sorely lack.

Sorry if I stepped on your toes Ruggs. I agree with your post fully and have expressed the same idea a couple of times. When Guido responded in the dismissive manner he did I felt like responding.
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Guido, you have no concept of conversational to and fro writing or grasp of “context”. Rugs made a post about his doubts on AKs upcoming availability and the quality of the depth at the RB position. He then expresses desire for a trade to bolster the position. I liked his post as I agree with him 100%. I fear the RB position may be our achilles’ heel this year (BTW that doesn’t mean I hate Kamara for pulling a jerk move or Ingram for getting old or Jones Jr for being unproven).

You then make a post that in tone and context refutes him. You express no worry about AK missing games and indicate you wouldn’t be surprised if it doesn’t happen this year. (Forgetting the idea he could still miss games with injury as he sometimes has). You also don’t address the concern of positional depth he brings up in his post. You could have said “There’s question marks, but the team will eventually address them” or something like that. But you don’t. You only try to show him wrong. Your post didn’t say the team shouldn’t be prepared but you sure has hell didn’t agree with Ruggs point that they should be. You made a post to invalidate his position and said nothing to agree or recognize his concerns. It’s a matter of being able to disagree with a poster without being confrontational. It’s something you sorely lack.

Sorry if I stepped on your toes Ruggs. I agree with your post fully and have expressed the same idea a couple of times. When Guido responded in the dismissive manner he did I felt like responding.
Holy crap, Boston. Go back and read my response to Rugs. Nowhere did I refute what he was saying. All I did was to expound on what he said by pointing out the unknowns involved. Nowhere did I say we shouldn't be prepared. With the speed the legal system motors it may very well be a year from now before everything is resolved and any discipline is handed down. I was simply sharing this on top of his concern.

Not only did I not say the need for RB depth doesn't need to be addressed, but I even discussed that the timing of obtaining that depth could be affected by whether or not it was a veteran that was being considered bringing into play the full season guaranteed salary if signed before week one.

I know you enjoy "offering constructive criticism" as you point out in your profile and also like playing the "devils advocate" as you have pointed out on occasion, but why must you always read things into my posts that are not there and feel the need to defend some position that doesn't need to be defended in the first place?

It is very frustrating.

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Holy crap, Boston. Go back and read my response to Rugs. Nowhere did I refute what he was saying. All I did was to expound on what he said by pointing out the unknowns involved. Nowhere did I say we shouldn't be prepared. With the speed the legal system motors it may very well be a year from now before everything is resolved and any discipline is handed down. I was simply sharing this on top of his concern.

Not only did I not say the need for RB depth doesn't need to be addressed, but I even discussed that the timing of obtaining that depth could be affected by whether or not it was a veteran that was being considered bringing into play the full season guaranteed salary if signed before week one.

I know you enjoy "offering constructive criticism" as you point out in your profile and also like playing the "devils advocate" as you have pointed out on occasion, but why must you always read things into my posts that are not there and feel the need to defend some position that doesn't need to be defended in the first place?

It is very frustrating.
I thoroughly read both your and rugbys posts Guido. But wat you did was take one small part of his post and refute it. Your double use of negatives is hilarious. I don’t care about what you didn’t not say. That’s just ignoring someone. You frequently chop one point out of another’s post and ignore everything else.

I interpreted Rugby’s post to basically break down like this:

I. There is a concern about running backs
a) Kamara may miss time
b) There is not trust in backups
c) Will/should a trade happen

In your response you ignore the overall topic and points b and c and jump to casting doubt on a. That’s all you did. But why ignore the overall topic and other points ?
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint View Post
Guido, you have no concept of conversational to and fro writing or grasp of “context”. Rugs made a post about his doubts on AKs upcoming availability and the quality of the depth at the RB position. He then expresses desire for a trade to bolster the position. I liked his post as I agree with him 100%. I fear the RB position may be our achilles’ heel this year (BTW that doesn’t mean I hate Kamara for pulling a jerk move or Ingram for getting old or Jones Jr for being unproven).

You then make a post that in tone and context refutes him. You express no worry about AK missing games and indicate you wouldn’t be surprised if it doesn’t happen this year. (Forgetting the idea he could still miss games with injury as he sometimes has). You also don’t address the concern of positional depth he brings up in his post. You could have said “There’s question marks, but the team will eventually address them” or something like that. But you don’t. You only try to show him wrong. Your post didn’t say the team shouldn’t be prepared but you sure has hell didn’t agree with Ruggs point that they should be. You made a post to invalidate his position and said nothing to agree or recognize his concerns. It’s a matter of being able to disagree with a poster without being confrontational. It’s something you sorely lack.

Sorry if I stepped on your toes Ruggs. I agree with your post fully and have expressed the same idea a couple of times. When Guido responded in the dismissive manner he did I felt like responding.
I thought that Guido and I sere debating points that we see differently. I understand how Guido thinks. We don't always agree but we have a mutual respect for each other. In my opinion both Boston, who is a ray of sunshine, and Guido make good points from opposite ends of the spectrum that I respect. I rarely let things get under my skin these days as I mellow with age.

This is a Saints discussion board and I have changed my mind before with new information shared by members. I love to see different perspectives which gives me something to think about.

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Excuse me? Exactly who is saying that the team shouldn't be prepared? I missed that. I never said things couldn't go bad. I was pointing out that the timetable on that is totally unknown and may very well not be the first six games. If punishment comes down it could be eight games in the middle of the 2022 season. It could be four games at the end of the season running into the playoffs. It could be the first three games of the 2023 season. And, yes, it could come at the start of this season. If it comes at all.

I would assume the Saints are concerned about signing a vet prior to the beginning of the season with his salary being guaranteed for the entire year, especially if it looks like Kamara will be available to start the season. With the next investigative session scheduled for August 1 it is a very real possibility that the issue will not be resolved legally before the start of the season. In that case it makes complete sense, if targeting a veteran RB, to wait for the actual signing after the season begins.
Yes, you are always “pointing out” some sort of contrary ****. It’s like Groundhog Day around here.
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Yes, you are always “pointing out” some sort of contrary ****. It’s like Groundhog Day around here.
Talk about Groundhog Day.
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