Winston Showing Leadership

Boston Saint · 07-30-2022, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Better than exactly what? Winston went 4-2 in 6 complete starts last year throwing 14 TD, only 3 INTs, with a 102+ passer rating. And this is with a receiver corps that is now #4,#5, and #6 on the depth chart.

I guess for some better performance on the field actually means "until he wins the team a Super Bowl." because that assessment doesn't seem to be based on any actual statistics.

If Winston does exactly what he was doing last year (and I don't think he will. It will be even better.) and plays 17 games healthy, the Saints will win the South and be a high playoff seed in the NFC in 2022.

So, exactly what kind of "performance" are you looking for?

SFIAH

About the only thing more I can ask for is yardage/first down production from him and the receiving/TE group to keep
the chains moving and spell Kamara. Under 200 yards passing/game (which is what he averaged) isn’t gonna cut it in the long run. But, as you point out, the WRs were sub par last year (not
to mention TEs).

AsylumGuido · 07-30-2022, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

About the only thing more I can ask for is yardage/first down production from him and the receiving/TE group to keep
the chains moving and spell Kamara. Under 200 yards passing/game (which is what he averaged) isn’t gonna cut it in the long run. But, as you point out, the WRs were sub par last year (not
to mention TEs).

Don't forget that only one offensive lineman played every game, as well.

The Dude · 07-30-2022, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

About the only thing more I can ask for is yardage/first down production from him and the receiving/TE group to keep
the chains moving and spell Kamara. Under 200 yards passing/game (which is what he averaged) isn’t gonna cut it in the long run. But, as you point out, the WRs were sub par last year (not
to mention TEs).

Payton was also being very conservative passing. It was obvious he didn’t completely trust Winston early in the season and wanted to bring him in slow. I think he was about to let Winston loose when Winston got hurt. I feel like what WE saw last year really wasn’t a true sample of what to expect from him going forward.
After seeing him play I still had the same questions as I did in preseason. Great potential and I like the guy, hope he’s able to put it together.

The Dude · 07-30-2022, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Better than exactly what? Winston went 4-2 in 6 complete starts last year throwing 14 TD, only 3 INTs, with a 102+ passer rating. And this is with a receiver corps that is now #4,#5, and #6 on the depth chart.

I guess for some better performance on the field actually means "until he wins the team a Super Bowl." because that assessment doesn't seem to be based on any actual statistics.

If Winston does exactly what he was doing last year (and I don't think he will. It will be even better.) and plays 17 games healthy, the Saints will win the South and be a high playoff seed in the NFC in 2022.

So, exactly what kind of "performance" are you looking for?

SFIAH

As
I said in another thread, those stats aren’t as telling as they look. 200 yards a game won’t cut it long term. Payton had him on a short leash and we never got to see him in a situation where he had to play from behind. At some point during the season our defense is going to have a bad game. I want to see how he handles playing in spite of his supporting cast.
He’s not going to do exactly what he did last year, he’s a competitor and isn’t going to spend the season playing it safe. Even if he does there’s gonna games where he’s forced to have to take chances.
I like the guy and think he can do it but I’m not 100% sold.
Don’t put words in my mouth with that Super Bowl bull****.

vpheughan · 07-30-2022, 01:52 PM

".....we never got to see him in a situation where he had to play from behind."

Six games and never had to "play from behind" You must hate the 72 Dolphins, Never lost a game!!

SaintFanInATLHELL · 07-30-2022, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

As
I said in another thread, those stats aren’t as telling as they look. 200 yards a game won’t cut it long term. Payton had him on a short leash and we never got to see him in a situation where he had to play from behind. At some point during the season our defense is going to have a bad game. I want to see how he handles playing in spite of his supporting cast.
He’s not going to do exactly what he did last year, he’s a competitor and isn’t going to spend the season playing it safe. Even if he does there’s gonna games where he’s forced to have to take chances.
I like the guy and think he can do it but I’m not 100% sold.
Don’t put words in my mouth with that Super Bowl bull****.

We're going into year 3 with the continued "I just don't know if this is the guy." I just cannot see why people are not satisfied with the production that they saw last year. Why is it not enough to see that the Saints won 5 of the 7 games that Winston started, then proceeded to lose the next 5 games in a row without him.

What I saw of Winston that I liked last year was rooted in that conservatism. Specifically on 3rd down, taking off and running for the 1st down instead of trying to force the ball down the field.

I learned a long time ago in the Payton/Brees/Carmichael offense that once passing attempts got above about 30-35 in a game, that's when the offense got into trouble. So, if Winston remains conservative both in yards and attempts, that would just be fine with me. We have a top 5 defense. All the offense needs to do is not screw it up and turn the ball over. Winston was right on the money with that in 2021.

Trying to pressure Winston to be more than he needs to be is exactly what is going to lead to non-productive play. We don't have the defense that will lead to 52-49 final scores like back in the Brees days.

Asking for a lot more is a dangerous request.

SFIAH

Thirty3 · 07-30-2022, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

We're going into year 3 with the continued "I just don't know if this is the guy." I just cannot see why people are not satisfied with the production that they saw last year. Why is it not enough to see that the Saints won 5 of the 7 games that Winston started, then proceeded to lose the next 5 games in a row without him.

What I saw of Winston that I liked last year was rooted in that conservatism. Specifically on 3rd down, taking off and running for the 1st down instead of trying to force the ball down the field.

I learned a long time ago in the Payton/Brees/Carmichael offense that once passing attempts got above about 30-35 in a game, that's when the offense got into trouble. So, if Winston remains conservative both in yards and attempts, that would just be fine with me. We have a top 5 defense. All the offense needs to do is not screw it up and turn the ball over. Winston was right on the money with that in 2021.

Trying to pressure Winston to be more than he needs to be is exactly what is going to lead to non-productive play. We don't have the defense that will lead to 52-49 final scores like back in the Brees days.

Asking for a lot more is a dangerous request.

SFIAH

Some of us remember watching those games last year. We didn’t win because of Winston. Sometimes it was in spite of his decisions. Give us 9 or ten games in a row with MOSTLY good decisions- especially in critical situations and I’ll admit he has improved.

subguy · 07-31-2022, 06:23 AM

All speculation until actual performance on the field this season, limited positive showing last season. Just like Thomas, let's see how the season progresses for Jameis. I am a fan, but also a realist. At this point, I only have my own thoughts, which don't mean diddly.

Asylum can put up positive quotes, not original(all Tweets) from fellow teammates all day long, not sure what that proves. Realistically, what are his teammates going to say, our starting QB sucks, we don't stand a snowballs chance in hell? The only time I have seen Saints teammates turn on one of their own, was a couple of seasons ago when they publicly criticized Brees.

Last season Jameis did appear to show restraint. There were times you could actually see him look down field and pump and catch himself from making a bad pass. He has tons of athleticism and determination, but his decision making at times is an entirely different story.

I hope to really be able to sing his praises as the year progresses. Nothing would make me happier!

subguy · 07-31-2022, 06:59 AM

Very glad these days appear to be behind him!

AsylumGuido · 08-03-2022, 09:48 PM

07-30-2022, 11:39 AM	#21
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Winston Showing Leadership Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL Better than exactly what? Winston went 4-2 in 6 complete starts last year throwing 14 TD, only 3 INTs, with a 102+ passer rating. And this is with a receiver corps that is now #4,#5, and #6 on the depth chart. I guess for some better performance on the field actually means "until he wins the team a Super Bowl." because that assessment doesn't seem to be based on any actual statistics. If Winston does exactly what he was doing last year (and I don't think he will. It will be even better.) and plays 17 games healthy, the Saints will win the South and be a high playoff seed in the NFC in 2022. So, exactly what kind of "performance" are you looking for? SFIAH About the only thing more I can ask for is yardage/first down production from him and the receiving/TE group to keep the chains moving and spell Kamara. Under 200 yards passing/game (which is what he averaged) isn’t gonna cut it in the long run. But, as you point out, the WRs were sub par last year (not to mention TEs).

07-30-2022, 12:53 PM	#22
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,803	Re: Winston Showing Leadership Originally Posted by Boston Saint About the only thing more I can ask for is yardage/first down production from him and the receiving/TE group to keep the chains moving and spell Kamara. Under 200 yards passing/game (which is what he averaged) isn’t gonna cut it in the long run. But, as you point out, the WRs were sub par last year (not to mention TEs). Don't forget that only one offensive lineman played every game, as well.

07-30-2022, 01:11 PM	#23
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,066	Re: Winston Showing Leadership Originally Posted by Boston Saint About the only thing more I can ask for is yardage/first down production from him and the receiving/TE group to keep the chains moving and spell Kamara. Under 200 yards passing/game (which is what he averaged) isn’t gonna cut it in the long run. But, as you point out, the WRs were sub par last year (not to mention TEs). Payton was also being very conservative passing. It was obvious he didn’t completely trust Winston early in the season and wanted to bring him in slow. I think he was about to let Winston loose when Winston got hurt. I feel like what WE saw last year really wasn’t a true sample of what to expect from him going forward. After seeing him play I still had the same questions as I did in preseason. Great potential and I like the guy, hope he’s able to put it together. Boston Saint likes this.
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07-30-2022, 01:24 PM	#24
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,066	Re: Winston Showing Leadership Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL Better than exactly what? Winston went 4-2 in 6 complete starts last year throwing 14 TD, only 3 INTs, with a 102+ passer rating. And this is with a receiver corps that is now #4,#5, and #6 on the depth chart. I guess for some better performance on the field actually means "until he wins the team a Super Bowl." because that assessment doesn't seem to be based on any actual statistics. If Winston does exactly what he was doing last year (and I don't think he will. It will be even better.) and plays 17 games healthy, the Saints will win the South and be a high playoff seed in the NFC in 2022. So, exactly what kind of "performance" are you looking for? SFIAH As I said in another thread, those stats aren’t as telling as they look. 200 yards a game won’t cut it long term. Payton had him on a short leash and we never got to see him in a situation where he had to play from behind. At some point during the season our defense is going to have a bad game. I want to see how he handles playing in spite of his supporting cast. He’s not going to do exactly what he did last year, he’s a competitor and isn’t going to spend the season playing it safe. Even if he does there’s gonna games where he’s forced to have to take chances. I like the guy and think he can do it but I’m not 100% sold. Don’t put words in my mouth with that Super Bowl bull****.
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07-30-2022, 06:04 PM	#26
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,787	Re: Winston Showing Leadership Originally Posted by The Dude As I said in another thread, those stats aren’t as telling as they look. 200 yards a game won’t cut it long term. Payton had him on a short leash and we never got to see him in a situation where he had to play from behind. At some point during the season our defense is going to have a bad game. I want to see how he handles playing in spite of his supporting cast. He’s not going to do exactly what he did last year, he’s a competitor and isn’t going to spend the season playing it safe. Even if he does there’s gonna games where he’s forced to have to take chances. I like the guy and think he can do it but I’m not 100% sold. Don’t put words in my mouth with that Super Bowl bull****. We're going into year 3 with the continued "I just don't know if this is the guy." I just cannot see why people are not satisfied with the production that they saw last year. Why is it not enough to see that the Saints won 5 of the 7 games that Winston started, then proceeded to lose the next 5 games in a row without him. What I saw of Winston that I liked last year was rooted in that conservatism. Specifically on 3rd down, taking off and running for the 1st down instead of trying to force the ball down the field. I learned a long time ago in the Payton/Brees/Carmichael offense that once passing attempts got above about 30-35 in a game, that's when the offense got into trouble. So, if Winston remains conservative both in yards and attempts, that would just be fine with me. We have a top 5 defense. All the offense needs to do is not screw it up and turn the ball over. Winston was right on the money with that in 2021. Trying to pressure Winston to be more than he needs to be is exactly what is going to lead to non-productive play. We don't have the defense that will lead to 52-49 final scores like back in the Brees days. Asking for a lot more is a dangerous request. SFIAH rezburna likes this.
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07-30-2022, 07:08 PM	#27
Thirty3 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 1,255	Re: Winston Showing Leadership Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL We're going into year 3 with the continued "I just don't know if this is the guy." I just cannot see why people are not satisfied with the production that they saw last year. Why is it not enough to see that the Saints won 5 of the 7 games that Winston started, then proceeded to lose the next 5 games in a row without him. What I saw of Winston that I liked last year was rooted in that conservatism. Specifically on 3rd down, taking off and running for the 1st down instead of trying to force the ball down the field. I learned a long time ago in the Payton/Brees/Carmichael offense that once passing attempts got above about 30-35 in a game, that's when the offense got into trouble. So, if Winston remains conservative both in yards and attempts, that would just be fine with me. We have a top 5 defense. All the offense needs to do is not screw it up and turn the ball over. Winston was right on the money with that in 2021. Trying to pressure Winston to be more than he needs to be is exactly what is going to lead to non-productive play. We don't have the defense that will lead to 52-49 final scores like back in the Brees days. Asking for a lot more is a dangerous request. SFIAH Some of us remember watching those games last year. We didn’t win because of Winston. Sometimes it was in spite of his decisions. Give us 9 or ten games in a row with MOSTLY good decisions- especially in critical situations and I’ll admit he has improved.
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07-31-2022, 06:23 AM	#28
subguy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: FL Posts: 2,105	Re: Winston Showing Leadership All speculation until actual performance on the field this season, limited positive showing last season. Just like Thomas, let's see how the season progresses for Jameis. I am a fan, but also a realist. At this point, I only have my own thoughts, which don't mean diddly. Asylum can put up positive quotes, not original(all Tweets) from fellow teammates all day long, not sure what that proves. Realistically, what are his teammates going to say, our starting QB sucks, we don't stand a snowballs chance in hell? The only time I have seen Saints teammates turn on one of their own, was a couple of seasons ago when they publicly criticized Brees. Last season Jameis did appear to show restraint. There were times you could actually see him look down field and pump and catch himself from making a bad pass. He has tons of athleticism and determination, but his decision making at times is an entirely different story. I hope to really be able to sing his praises as the year progresses. Nothing would make me happier!
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subguy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: FL Posts: 2,105	Re: Winston Showing Leadership https://twitter.com/NFL_Memes/status/1553076396817276929 Very glad these days appear to be behind him!

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