Dolphins Tampering Penalty Harmed Saints

BakoSaint · 08-03-2022, 05:55 PM

Just my observation, but the tampering penalty against the Dolphins, losing a 2023 1st round pick specifically, seems to hurt the Saints more than any other team except the Dolphins:

Since the Saints don't have a 2023 1st round pick, so all their division rivals may move up a pick in the 1st round and they won't. The Falcons second rounder may effectively become a first rounder at #32 overall in 2023.

The Dolphins were a leading destination for Payton in 2023 if McDaniel struggles, so the Dolphins not having a 1st round pick potentially lowers the bidding and competition for Payton.

The actual tampering with Payton may have caused him to retire from the Saints, costing us a valuable coach. Where tampering with Brady failed to get him out of our division.

The stigma around tampering with Payton may make it harder for teams to gauge his interest and bid against each other for his services, lowering the compensation we receive. Some teams may want to line up one coach before they let another go, but with Payton having all eyes on him for tampering, they may look another direction rather than quietly inquiring with his agent on potential interest.

The harsh penalty for tampering with Tom Brady makes it harder for teams to inquire about his services in the future, making it more likely he stays with the Bucs if they want to keep him and harder for him to leverage the Bucs for higher salary by knowing whats behind door #2.

Leave it to Roger Goodell to always find a way to harm the Saints. Maybe he will get monkeypox from Daniel Snyder at the next league meeting.

AsylumGuido · 08-03-2022, 06:05 PM

All I can say about all of that is ...

mapcow · 08-10-2022, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

All I can say about all of that is ...

same reaction i had when you posted that crap about russell wilson and food poisoning.... LMAO at ya

stickman · 08-03-2022, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Just my observation, but the tampering penalty against the Dolphins, losing a 2023 1st round pick specifically, seems to hurt the Saints more than any other team except the Dolphins:

Since the Saints don't have a 2023 1st round pick, so all their division rivals may move up a pick in the 1st round and they won't. The Falcons second rounder may effectively become a first rounder at #32 overall in 2023.

The Dolphins were a leading destination for Payton in 2023 if McDaniel struggles, so the Dolphins not having a 1st round pick potentially lowers the bidding and competition for Payton.

The actual tampering with Payton may have caused him to retire from the Saints, costing us a valuable coach. Where tampering with Brady failed to get him out of our division.

The stigma around tampering with Payton may make it harder for teams to gauge his interest and bid against each other for his services, lowering the compensation we receive. Some teams may want to line up one coach before they let another go, but with Payton having all eyes on him for tampering, they may look another direction rather than quietly inquiring with his agent on potential interest.

The harsh penalty for tampering with Tom Brady makes it harder for teams to inquire about his services in the future, making it more likely he stays with the Bucs if they want to keep him and harder for him to leverage the Bucs for higher salary by knowing whats behind door #2.

Leave it to Roger Goodell to always find a way to harm the Saints. Maybe he will get monkeypox from Daniel Snyder at the next league meeting.

Dude, breath. If the Jerry Johnson decides he wants Payton, this tampering thing isn't going to mean a thing.

And if the league was going to punish Payton in any way over this, they would have.

BakoSaint · 08-03-2022, 10:49 PM

Originally Posted by stickman

Dude, breath. If the Jerry Johnson decides he wants Payton, this tampering thing isn't going to mean a thing.

And if the league was going to punish Payton in any way over this, they would have.

Everyone pays more with someone bidding against them.

Boston Saint · 08-03-2022, 07:56 PM

“The actual tampering with Payton may have caused him to retire from the Saints,..”.

I’d say there’s a possibility of this being true.

AsylumGuido · 08-03-2022, 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

“The actual tampering with Payton may have caused him to retire from the Saints,..”.

I’d say there’s a possibility of this being true.

neugey · 08-04-2022, 06:01 AM

I think it's a little hypocritical that the NFL takes tampering so seriously, and yet does nothing for the alleged victims of the tampering. Why not award the Pats and us the draft picks that the Dolphins are losing?

AsylumGuido · 08-04-2022, 07:43 AM

Originally Posted by neugey

I think it's a little hypocritical that the NFL takes tampering so seriously, and yet does nothing for the alleged victims of the tampering. Why not award the Pats and us the draft picks that the Dolphins are losing?

How would they accomplish that? Who would get the 2023 first and who would get 2024 third? I can see your point, but can't see any way to pull it off fairly without pissing off other teams. Apparently tampering at some level goes on all the time across the league from what I have read. The problem with Miami though is that they carried it to an extreme AND also threatened the "integrity of the game" with the blatant tanking wishes of the owner. That's why they threw the book at Ross, I believe.

stickman · 08-08-2022, 06:42 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

How would they accomplish that? Who would get the 2023 first and who would get 2024 third? I can see your point, but can't see any way to pull it off fairly without pissing off other teams. Apparently tampering at some level goes on all the time across the league from what I have read. The problem with Miami though is that they carried it to an extreme AND also threatened the "integrity of the game" with the blatant tanking wishes of the owner. That's why they threw the book at Ross, I believe.

What about compensatory picks? Those are at best a 3rd rounder.

Just throwing that out there. In this case, the Dolphins didn't actually sign either Payton or Brady, so it's not like a team actually lost someone. Unless you can prove the tampering caused Payton to resign, and that would be difficult if not impossible.

08-03-2022, 05:55 PM	#1
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,303	Dolphins Tampering Penalty Harmed Saints Just my observation, but the tampering penalty against the Dolphins, losing a 2023 1st round pick specifically, seems to hurt the Saints more than any other team except the Dolphins: Since the Saints don't have a 2023 1st round pick, so all their division rivals may move up a pick in the 1st round and they won't. The Falcons second rounder may effectively become a first rounder at #32 overall in 2023. The Dolphins were a leading destination for Payton in 2023 if McDaniel struggles, so the Dolphins not having a 1st round pick potentially lowers the bidding and competition for Payton. The actual tampering with Payton may have caused him to retire from the Saints, costing us a valuable coach. Where tampering with Brady failed to get him out of our division. The stigma around tampering with Payton may make it harder for teams to gauge his interest and bid against each other for his services, lowering the compensation we receive. Some teams may want to line up one coach before they let another go, but with Payton having all eyes on him for tampering, they may look another direction rather than quietly inquiring with his agent on potential interest. The harsh penalty for tampering with Tom Brady makes it harder for teams to inquire about his services in the future, making it more likely he stays with the Bucs if they want to keep him and harder for him to leverage the Bucs for higher salary by knowing whats behind door #2. Leave it to Roger Goodell to always find a way to harm the Saints. Maybe he will get monkeypox from Daniel Snyder at the next league meeting. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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08-10-2022, 04:47 PM	#3
mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,818	Re: Dolphins Tampering Penalty Harmed Saints Originally Posted by AsylumGuido All I can say about all of that is ... same reaction i had when you posted that crap about russell wilson and food poisoning.... LMAO at ya
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08-03-2022, 07:20 PM	#4
stickman 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Gonzales, LA Posts: 1,754	Re: Dolphins Tampering Penalty Harmed Saints Originally Posted by BakoSaint Just my observation, but the tampering penalty against the Dolphins, losing a 2023 1st round pick specifically, seems to hurt the Saints more than any other team except the Dolphins: Since the Saints don't have a 2023 1st round pick, so all their division rivals may move up a pick in the 1st round and they won't. The Falcons second rounder may effectively become a first rounder at #32 overall in 2023. The Dolphins were a leading destination for Payton in 2023 if McDaniel struggles, so the Dolphins not having a 1st round pick potentially lowers the bidding and competition for Payton. The actual tampering with Payton may have caused him to retire from the Saints, costing us a valuable coach. Where tampering with Brady failed to get him out of our division. The stigma around tampering with Payton may make it harder for teams to gauge his interest and bid against each other for his services, lowering the compensation we receive. Some teams may want to line up one coach before they let another go, but with Payton having all eyes on him for tampering, they may look another direction rather than quietly inquiring with his agent on potential interest. The harsh penalty for tampering with Tom Brady makes it harder for teams to inquire about his services in the future, making it more likely he stays with the Bucs if they want to keep him and harder for him to leverage the Bucs for higher salary by knowing whats behind door #2. Leave it to Roger Goodell to always find a way to harm the Saints. Maybe he will get monkeypox from Daniel Snyder at the next league meeting. Dude, breath. If the Jerry Johnson decides he wants Payton, this tampering thing isn't going to mean a thing. And if the league was going to punish Payton in any way over this, they would have.

08-03-2022, 10:49 PM	#5
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,303	Re: Dolphins Tampering Penalty Harmed Saints Originally Posted by stickman Dude, breath. If the Jerry Johnson decides he wants Payton, this tampering thing isn't going to mean a thing. And if the league was going to punish Payton in any way over this, they would have. Everyone pays more with someone bidding against them.
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08-03-2022, 07:56 PM	#6
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Dolphins Tampering Penalty Harmed Saints “The actual tampering with Payton may have caused him to retire from the Saints,..”. I’d say there’s a possibility of this being true.

08-03-2022, 06:05 PM	#2
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08-03-2022, 09:23 PM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Dolphins Tampering Penalty Harmed Saints Originally Posted by Boston Saint “The actual tampering with Payton may have caused him to retire from the Saints,..”. I’d say there’s a possibility of this being true.

08-04-2022, 06:01 AM	#8
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,819 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Dolphins Tampering Penalty Harmed Saints I think it's a little hypocritical that the NFL takes tampering so seriously, and yet does nothing for the alleged victims of the tampering. Why not award the Pats and us the draft picks that the Dolphins are losing? AsylumGuido and Rugby Saint II like this.

08-04-2022, 07:43 AM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Dolphins Tampering Penalty Harmed Saints Originally Posted by neugey I think it's a little hypocritical that the NFL takes tampering so seriously, and yet does nothing for the alleged victims of the tampering. Why not award the Pats and us the draft picks that the Dolphins are losing? How would they accomplish that? Who would get the 2023 first and who would get 2024 third? I can see your point, but can't see any way to pull it off fairly without pissing off other teams. Apparently tampering at some level goes on all the time across the league from what I have read. The problem with Miami though is that they carried it to an extreme AND also threatened the "integrity of the game" with the blatant tanking wishes of the owner. That's why they threw the book at Ross, I believe.

08-08-2022, 06:42 AM	#10
stickman 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Gonzales, LA Posts: 1,754	Re: Dolphins Tampering Penalty Harmed Saints Originally Posted by AsylumGuido How would they accomplish that? Who would get the 2023 first and who would get 2024 third? I can see your point, but can't see any way to pull it off fairly without pissing off other teams. Apparently tampering at some level goes on all the time across the league from what I have read. The problem with Miami though is that they carried it to an extreme AND also threatened the "integrity of the game" with the blatant tanking wishes of the owner. That's why they threw the book at Ross, I believe. What about compensatory picks? Those are at best a 3rd rounder. Just throwing that out there. In this case, the Dolphins didn't actually sign either Payton or Brady, so it's not like a team actually lost someone. Unless you can prove the tampering caused Payton to resign, and that would be difficult if not impossible. neugey, SmashMouth and Rugby Saint II like this.