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Disappointing to hear about Book's struggles. Hope he figures it out before long. At this point it's probably safe to send him down to the practice squad based on our needs.

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Did Kenny Pickett look any better?

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Maybe the PUP will save the Saints!!!! Thomas

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Really good composure in the pocket. Looks very fluid in going through progressions. I never saw any of that "happy feet" stuff where QBs usually take off running.

Kenny "baby hands" Pickett could become the truth in a few seasons.

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4 seasons in, Trequan still can't make the contested catch (good placement by Book).

Can Dixon play on special teams? This is the only way I see him making the roster.

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He keeps doing this below... and ST, he's on.

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I kinda get Nick Toon vibes watching Dixon.

Big, possession guys who can keep the chains moving.

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That's a jinx if I ever saw one... Toon was a bust, father Al Toon's genes didn't help. Colston is more like it.

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Damn, my fault Dixon.

Don't want to jinx the guy. He has the ability and I hope he does well.

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I didn't watch the game but listening to Deuce Windham's perspective this morning he said that Penning seemed to struggle a lot when Book was dropping back much further than he was supposed to. Of course Lineman can't see where the QB is so the reps taken in camp give them an idea and a feel where the QB is supposed to be on the play.

Yes, I feel a little dirty giving someone else's perspective on a game rather than my own but I thought that it was worth considering.

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I've heard the exact same thing previously as a critique of other QB's. It's hard for a lineman to protect a QB if that QB isn't where he is expected to be.

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Re watched the game. I agree with Maddy.

Safety - Justin Evans performed well.

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Do you ever read your nonsense back to your self?

Two people commented about a lack of pass rush before I commented and that was the basis of what I found troubling. I should do like you and go find supporting tweets before forming a matching opinion? Why you feel the need to address me is truly beyond me.

You do not understand the difference between fundamentals and skills don't you (sorry, no you do not)? Fundamentals are taught in peewee and skill is what gets you into the NFL.
Wait... What lol???? Again proving that without Twitter you have absolutely zero clue about the game. 'linemen need to know where the QB is to protect him'... 99% of the comments on the Falcons boards exhibit a greater understanding of football than that sh1t.

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I know EXACTLY what I am talking about, Oak. Part of the OT's job is to keep the pocket intact from the outside. When the QB leaves the security of the pocket (ie. dropping back too far) the OT cannot see behind him that the QB is too far back and what would normally be herding the rusher around the back of the pocket can lead the rusher directly to the out of place QB.

I don't know how many times I have heard about inexperienced QB's not properly utilizing the pocket. It's hard to imagine you haven't heard the same with your extensive knowledge.

:rolleyes:

Besides, iceshack was the one that pointed this out first if you would have taken the time to read the posts. My reply was just agreeing with his post.

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Keeping fresh legs on the field is a great idea.
I like it.
I like it a lot, so long as we don't get jammed up with smart QB's who know how to run an efficient hurry up offense.
The blown coverages in the last two minutes of the Houston game (i'm assuming confusion in the secondary) must not become a regularity.

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The last two minutes of the Houston game had players with little to no chance of making the team out there on the field. :D

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How can this be true and the following also be true?


From NFL.com
52) Saints first round pick Trevor Penning didn't start the preseason opener and then had the lowest PFF pass-blocking grade on the team, giving up a sack, a QB hit and three pressures with a penalty in 26 passing downs. Penning's competition at left tackle, James Hurst, played six snaps alongside the rest of the starters.


https://www.nfl.com/news/2022-nfl-pr...es-position-ba

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The first show only Penning's pass-blocking rating. I would assume his run blocking numbers on the other 30 snaps must have been so high that his overall rating was as high as it was.

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Not after that blown coverage!:doh:

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You didn't agree with Iceshack lol. Iceshack shared it as Deuce Windham's perspective, whom like your self has never played the game. If you look up Mr. Windham you might pause before you share his insights as gospel lol. Iceshack said the perspective might be worth considering and felt dirty doing it, your plagiaristic azz stated it and are defending it, as a known fact.

That is where we differ, I do not have to 'hear about it', I played for years. OG/OT/DT and the QB "utilizing the pocket, has nothing to do with an OT knowing where he is, all any lineman knows is that the QB is behind them until they see either the ball or QB go past them lol. A QB release time is generally under 3 seconds from snap which gives no one time to even consider where he is, a lineman's first step is back/back left/back right/to their gap, after that its full on war lol. QBs drop back in a general direction but that is nothing more than a basic idea of where the play is going at start, the QB doesn't have a specific place to be and scrambles to where there is daylight.... After the snap on a pass, its bam.bam.bam with 250-300+lbs of walrus in your face for an offensive lineman.

Ill tell you how a play goes whether in practice or on the field. The ball is snapped, the OL takes a 1/2 to full step back and braces for someone to be in his face until the whistle blows, a natural static pocket is created behind them. The QB either throws from the pocket, scrambles within the picked, the pocket collapses, or the QB leaves the pocket. Never from snap to whistle does a lineman turn around to have a f***ing clue as to where the QB is.

A little more since you haven't a clue. Man: Everyone blocks a specific person. Zone: they step to the gap and block whom ever enters the gap. Form: After that 1/2 step back an OLineman cocks his arms to load his hands then uncoils to shove the defenders pads up under his face-mask to get him on his heals, most holding calls are because the lineman's hands slide to the outside of the chest area of the shoulder pads and he is just trying to hang on. Once hands slide outside, flags are thrown.


If you couldn't get your head wrapped around that I will give you the short of it... From snap to release a QB is scrambling for his life, there is no one place he is expected to be lol.

What you have heard is that some QBs do not have pocket awareness but that has zero to do with the line.

Keep rolling your eyes, it suits your nature.

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Thank you for your insight, Oak!

Oh, and your calling me a "plagiaristic azz" makes you a "libelous azz". I have never knowingly presented anyone else's work or ideas as my own. I can easily say that 99% of what I know about football has come from others. I have opinions, of course, that have been based upon what I have read and heard over the past half a century. I respect the fact that you have played the game. But that doesn't mean that you know everything and anyone else's opinions and thoughts are not important and can be rightfully demeaned.

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^^^^^ This right here.

Book lacks pocket presence & this could get him cut or on the practice squad. If you lack this trait as an NFL QB, you're toast.

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That does NOT have zero to do with the line. A QB that does not have pocket presence does not take advantage of the line and it inaccurately puts the blame on the line. That's all I was trying to convey. I don't know how many times over the years while watching games I have heard the analyst (who absolutely played the game at the highest level) say something along the lines of "that sack should be on the QB, not on the lineman" for one reason or another ... like retreating too far out of the back of the pocket.

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