Observations from the Saints preseason loss to the Texans
 

It's preseason, right?

:bng:

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They lost. Preseason is garbage. But after I saw the Texans get the ball with a couple minutes left I knew the Saints would lay an egg. Ick.

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Yes…but very disappointed in the offense once Dalton left and especially with the offensive line play. Also, no pass rush and that is not good.

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First preseason game, so I'll stay I won't read too much into it. There is some work to be done and some corrections to be made.

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-Adebo has been good as advertised ALL CAMP & tonight he was 🔥 .
-Penning has work to do (technique wise).
-Dalton is a HUGE upgrade @ #2. Saavy pro.
-Book rushes his throws/played poorly. At best a #3 at this level.
-Hansen could be decent depth if he can remain healthy.
-Payton Turner appears rusty.
-Trequan is the same dude 😞. Can’t make the contested catches.

If not for the turnovers, Saints may have shut out the Texans.
Those joint practices next week vs Packers will be good 👍.

Preseason is all about evaluation.

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Did any of the TEs show anything?

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Ian Book is a waste of a roster spot. He won't get better. I have no idea why he was drafted. Cut his ass and move on. Just like that other kid we drafted from Colorado or Colorado State? Garrett Grayson.

Trying to find a Tom Brady in these late rounds is like trying to win the lottery.

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I lost count of how many times Book got sacked. He ain't making this team.

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I am guessing Troutman didn't fumble or drop a key 3rd down pass because it wasn't a big game or moment. If Dennis Allen ain't in the nude photos too I doubt Troutman makes the team. Not his project.

Blaine Gabbert and Matt Barkley played great this week in junk time in preseason against 3rd string. I feel like if we give Ian Book 10 years he just might be able to reach their current level. Probably not, but thats his ceiling, and you have to dream.

Andy Dalton would start on the Falcons. They basically started Andy Dalton for 14 seasons.

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* The first series with Dalton looked good, crisp and effective.

* Ian Book plays like an UDFA QB from West Dakota Culinary Institute.

* Trevor Penning suffers from some serious dead feet in pass pro. Flips his hips too soon when rushed on the outside and struggles with the inside move. Basically everything I saw on film before the draft showed itself on the field. Don't see a day 1 starter right now.

* Payton Turner looked better as a runstopper than a passrusher.

* No passrush with the backups. At all.

* Chase Hansen looked pretty good and might have been our best defender.

* Tony Jones was the only backup RB that even got me a little excited.

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I didn't watch the entire game; hopefully we didn't get any injuries.

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Trautman did go 1/1 on his targets - break out year?! :D

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Yes, but like the lottery - you can never win if you don't buy a ticket.

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Wasn’t able to watch the game but have it recorded.

No pass rush? In a year where your DC becomes your HC… That is deeply troubling.

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* DB play was decent overall, with the exception of the last 2 minutes of the game. I have NO idea what kind of brain fart was happening at that point.

* Unknown what the TE situation will look like. Only one toss to Trautman and throws to Vannet being off target sort of muck things up. I hope our Hybrid shows out.

* I pray we put the Book experiment to bed once and for all. He's a NFL 3rd string QB... even if he was playing for the Jags.

* Special Teams looked kinda meh. Disappointing considering how that was a team strength last season.

* Penning needs work. He obviously has size and strength, but his footwork was atrocious and speed rush had him crossed up all night long.

* 'Mmmm-bop' Hansen looked like he's ready to step up.

* Jones looked good as a third option at RB.

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The first string d-line was not dressed out at all. Neither was the rest of the key starters for that matter. The Texans offense did nothing until late in the 4th quarter when it was nothing but scrubs in the game.

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Here's the snap counts from last night's game.

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For those that didn't see the game last night, Nielsen handled the defensive playcalling. Dennis Allen said he will be the playcaller starting the third preseason game and throughout the season.

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This is pretty much the way I saw it, too.

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Book is developmental. I'm good with Dalton and Hill.

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Here is a question I asked last night in the game day chat: Do we keep 3 QBs on the final 53?

IMO Taysom is a far better "emergency" QB than Book will ever be.

Don't be surprised if Coach Allen cuts Ian Book at the close of camp.

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So the last chapter has been read on Ian Book? Probably so... Let's give him one more try in the next game.

Isn't next year supposed to be the year at QB in the draft anyways?

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If I'm a coach Smash, these are my concerns in general :

Struggles from outside the pocket, and has issues "climbing" up and away from it. Throws have been inaccurate & take unnecessary sacks. He's also short. But that overthrow to Dixon (I believe) led to a pick (and Texans points) & D'jon is at least 6'4. In real games, turnovers turn into L's.

I just don't see him developing much. Probably a nice dude to hang out with, but he's not going to cut at this level of football.

I'm just a couch coach and have been wrong before :rolleyes:.

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None of what you typed has anything to do with a fundamental pass rush.

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Brother. Professional paid coaches and scouts are wrong more often than right about players. Pennington, Carmazzi, Redman, Martin, Bulger, Winn were all picked before Brady. :bng:

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I read an article a couple of years ago about how many times teams have actually had to us a number 3 quarterback or emergency quarterback in a game. Now of course this was before Covid. Has anyone ever seen the likelihood of this happening over the years of NFL games. With that in mind you don’t waste a roster spot on a 3rd QB. If it ever were to get to that point in a game you line up taysom back there who is as good as any 3rd qb you could find.

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Zach Baun needs to ice up and get it together.

Did not play last night :rolleyes:

If Abram can show more on special teams, he has a shot. He did some good things & seems to be a strong runner. I understand that "punch out" was perfect but you simply cannot fumble. Two hands & secure it.

Side note: I'd like to see what Costello can do under center on next week.

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If you’re going to be a smaller QB like Ian Book you need to be a Drew Brees, Russell Wilson, or Kyler Murray. He ain’t that. Cut ties.

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Have you watched the game yet? You commented about no pass rush while admitting you hadn't even seen the game. If the 4th string players were fundamentally sound they wouldn't be 4th stringers now, would they. However, the entire defense performed quite well, especially early on when actual roster players were in the game. There was adequate pass rush. There's more to a pass rush than sacks, right? It's hard to rack up sacks when you are getting three and outs. I know they didn't actually go "three and out", but the Texans were really unable to do much of anything on offense until the final two minutes of the game.

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Has Baun even been cleared to practice yet? I thought he was still going through the "ramping up" process.

As for Costello, he'll probably be released as soon as Winston can return to drills. They use three QB's in drills and Hill hasn't been one of them at all.

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With only 3 preseason games you have to play as many guys as you can. I don't put too much into it.

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Only one pre season game in the books but Penning needs all the reps he can get. I was glad Dougie M played him most of the game.

It will take some time before he takes the starting LT spot away from Hurst.

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They should get more out of the two days of practice with the Packers this week than all three preseason games put together. At least that's what I have heard coaches and GM's say here recently.

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So what you're saying is that Trevor "Pending" doesn't deserve his new nickname yet despite his slower feet exhibited this past game? :bng:

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Lol.

Naw, it's gonna take time just like all of the other rookies. As most expected, his pass blocking & footwork needs fine tuning.

What I like most about Trevor is that he's coachable, has a mean streak and a ridiculous ceiling. He could end up as your starting bookend for the next 8-10 years.

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Tony Jones is the #3......at this stage might be a r
Tougher running than Mark Ingram (even though how much I love him). Trequan needs to be released now. I'm still hoping for book, but he doesn't look good.

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I totally agree with this. I am very critical of his CURRENT technique but the potential he posesses is tremendous.
He is quite typical of the college player that has gotten by a lot on size and strength, he will have a period of time while getting used to the NFL.

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Well it was disappointing to lose the game but it was only pre-season.

Also, the Texans were pretty awful as well! 11 penalties won't help your team!

GEAUX SAINTS!!!!