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1) The Saints' trade of Chauncey Gardner-Johnson to the Eagles made no sense. The 2019 fourth-rounder is headed into the final season of his rookie deal, and a few team-friendly explanations suggested New Orleans wanted to get something for Gardner-Johnson now, given that he wasn't going to be a priority in free agency next year -- but that explanation doesn't hold water. The Saints essentially received nothing in return: a 2023 fifth- and 2024 sixth-round pick in exchange for one of the league's best hybrid slot players and a 2025 seventh-rounder.

One season of "Ceedy Deuce" should be worth way more than that, and his production would have likely yielded the Saints a third-round compensatory pick if they'd been patient enough to wait for him to sign elsewhere in free agency next offseason. It was a salary dump before they even had to pay Gardner-Johnson his big salary. Per NFL Network Insider Ian Rapoport, "he really reacted to not getting the contract that he wanted" in extension talks with the team, but there have been no indications otherwise he was going to skip work or be a problem. Even the reports defending the Saints' position painted the decision as business, not personal. (The Saints, for what it's worth, also have a ton of cap space this season, having cleared room ahead of their failed pursuit of Deshaun Watson.)

It's clear the Saints feel great about their secondary depth. I do, too! But it's still puzzling that they gave away one of the league's best young players at his position. To put it another way: If Gardner-Johnson had been available in a trade in February, he would have been worth a second- or third-round pick at worst.

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All good points. Yet I can’t believe that the FO didn’t do their due diligence and look for the best deal. There has to be a reason the other 31 teams didn’t want him enough to offer more than what Philly did. I’m guessing there is something going on we don’t know. Allen coached him for all his seasons in the league…there must be a reason he didn’t want him around. We will see.

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If nothing else he would give some info on the saints O. Glad we don’t play them until the end of the season.

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And maybe this below ... :bng:

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Turbo does make (many) good points, especially what he would have been worth in trade in February.

That’s a good question. Pre-draft makes a difference. If he was set on 12 Mill a year though and other teams knew that before trading for him, then that may have driven his trade price down. Not likely down to what the eagles payed though.

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Now we've lost 2 future Pro Bowl secondary players.

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I was thinking the same thing. Nothing else makes sense.
I’d literally be happy with ANYONE at WR other than Trequan.
Heck let Trautman and J. Johnson get the snaps 3Quan would get. Blocking is all Smith does well anyway, they can do that.

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Completely misses the culture issue. Ceedy was doing his own version of quiet quitting by not participating and not taking coaching direction. No matter the pick, it makes no sense to expose the locker room to an entire year of what clearly heading into the direction of antics for not getting his deal. Yes the Saints may have gotten better compensation. But at the expense of having the disruption and distraction of a disgruntled player for an entire season.

SFIAH

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This is called a ‘Hold In’ and is a new twist on a ‘Hold Out’ that avoids fines. Many many players did it for some period during the offseason. All the other teams waited them out. CGJ is a competitor and if he lost playing time due to it he would cut it out. We are the only team that freaked out. Next we will trade Penning for a 5th. He already got in a camp fight so all he has to do is ask for a raise and be pissy for a bit in offseason like players on every team do and we will freak and bail.

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Completely missed him calling out coaches when had a minor injury, saying got you want you don’t have to pay me. Then a tweet calling out DA about a comment that DA made during post practice interview that CJ had an issue with cramps. Additionally he was not responding to coaches during practice.

The Saints didn’t freak they made the decision it was best to remove the obvious distraction. We as fans have very limited view into the day to day dynamic that goes on.

I don’t think this move was ideal, liked CJ but this decision was made by those who had seen and heard enough and felt the team had the talent to move forward without CJ.

Not hard to see the drive and swagger he had on the field carry over into how he possibly approach this impasse with the Saints. PROVOCATEUR Extraordinaire.

Do wish CJ the best except when we play Philly but hope they beatup the Cowgirls twice this season.

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Have to disagree. The difference is that other hold-ins (Deebo for example) were not disruptive. We've seen three years of Ceedy being an irritant. It's baked into his personality. It just wasn't going to be possible for him to sit down, be chill, be professional, and find a way to work it out. It would be less a Jalen Ramsey situation (oh my back) in Jacksonville, and more a Keyshawn Johnson situation in Tampa (go home, stay away from the facility, we don't want you).

Is that type of headache really worth a minor upgrade in compensation?

SFIAH

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I'm sure he has our game circled on the schedule as a grudge match. I expect him to be wired up for that exchange of words. Good luck with everyone but us little man. Stay off the social media before the game and don't follow Eli Apple's example of poor sportsmanship.

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It will be interesting to see how he is used in the Philly system. I sure schematically this will be a whole new system, assignments and responsibilities.

He has great instincts and Football IQ but he does not the talent in that DB room that he has had in New Orleans.

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If at any time he said "pay me, or trade me, or you will wish you had" then New Orleans Front Office had no choice.

1. We do not have the cap space to pay him.
2. Trade him - What we did.
3. Wish we had. This is why we had to trade him and had to do it this year. If he followed through then he may have damaged any value he would have next year since it is one thing to throw tantrums and another thing to tank on the field.

The front office made the correct choice from what I have seen, value is both fluid and subjective.

Not every good player, is a good fit. :bng:

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I’ve heard people say “you love him if he plays for you and hate him if he plays against you”. Well I’m guessing not everyone even loved playing with him. Thomas disliked it enough to fight him.

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Great perfect timing. I guess Maye decided to wait until the day after we traded CJGJ to assault someone with a weapon . Jesus Christ

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Marcus Maye just made the Saints eat crow. Right now hearing the news depending on the details etc....I he really did this he should get ✂️. DUI and aggravated assault with a firearm c'mon man I would trade back for Chauncey RN lmao

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So, Kamara is in trouble for assault and Maye is in trouble for assault…then CGJ is traded for peanuts…(yes I know the Saints didn’t know). Sounds like the start to a hell of a year ! 😀

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Seeing what they paid for maye I don’t blame him for wanting to get paid. This guy played his arse for us and they pay a guy (outsider)who was already in legal problems. This stinks, turning out to be another Malcolm Jenkins situation. We know how that turned out

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I wonder who wrote this for him? I'm pretty sure it wasn't CGJ. That is not his style.

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This is why I wanted to still have our 1st round pick. Stuff catches on fire. Best to insure the house. Now if it all burns down we are stuck rolling around in the ashes next April. But oh yeah I forgot the pick is still gonna be #32 right????

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In all fairness bako, it’s hard for me to filter through all you say because you present it through a negative saints viewpoint. I believe you are pulling for the saints and you want them to win, yet you filter everything they do through what they could have done differently or how it will go wrong.

I’ve found myself agreeing with some of what you say and don’t think you are tin foil hat level, but I can’t recall any posts you’ve made that have ever been supportive of anything the team has done (Maybe you have and I’ve missed them). Don’t you think that’s a little harsh? Do you get any enjoyment out of being a saints fan? I’m not trying to be a jerk. I’m honestly trying to understand your angle.

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Me too Bako. I know you're a Saints fan because you have been here a long time. Lately though, you haven't been very positive about the team. You have valid points to make but the organization runs smoother than most and win more games than most as well.

I'm happy with the front office and the team where they are now. Yes, there is room for improvement, but we've been in much worse shape than we are now. I'm fully expecting a Super bowl win from this team in the next three years. Enjoy the ride. It's going to be a fun one! Who Dat!