Thursday Night Football Game Night Thread - Bills @ Rams

Boston Saint · 09-09-2022, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat

Yea sir but now we will hear nothing but Bills Bills Allen Allen Super Bowl Champ 2023 destiny all day every day.

Up here in Belichick land that would be awesome.

hitta · 09-09-2022, 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Maybe ... It's still early, however .

I think Allen is more clutch than Mahomes and I just overall like him better. He should have lost to Allen last year, which I think everyone can agree on I just think the dude is good. He and Burrow are the two guys that will end up with more SBs than Mahomes(as long as the Bengals get Burrow some protection).

I think Winston COULD be good, but he has to find that middle ground in his game. When Winston was at Tampa he was way too aggressive with his throws. Last year I felt like he never got comfortable with taking the big shot as if he was afraid of throwing the INT. You can't play scared and you can't be a gunslinger. Winston has to figure out that middle ground. If he does he can rise up in this league. It's a mental thing with him. The light switch is either on or off. It's a fixable problem, but it's going to have required him to put a lot of work into it. I noticed this from the first time he touched the ball last year. We won because we have a really good roster.

BakoSaint · 09-10-2022, 12:39 AM

Originally Posted by hitta

I think Winston COULD be good, but he has to find that middle ground in his game. When Winston was at Tampa he was way too aggressive with his throws. Last year I felt like he never got comfortable with taking the big shot as if he was afraid of throwing the INT.

Winston’s problem last year was Tom Brady’s problem in 2019 and may be Rodgers or Maholmes problem this year. Anyone would be tentative and mediocre when they don’t have any receivers who would make the team on the 2022 Jets. You can’t complete passes to your own positive thinking, you need actual receivers who get open enough to believe your eyes when it happens.

AsylumGuido · 09-10-2022, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Winston’s problem last year was Tom Brady’s problem in 2019 and may be Rodgers or Maholmes problem this year. Anyone would be tentative and mediocre when they don’t have any receivers who would make the team on the 2022 Jets. You can’t complete passes to your own positive thinking, you need actual receivers who get open enough to believe your eyes when it happens.

Now that I can agree with.

AsylumGuido · 09-10-2022, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by hitta

I think Winston COULD be good, but he has to find that middle ground in his game. When Winston was at Tampa he was way too aggressive with his throws. Last year I felt like he never got comfortable with taking the big shot as if he was afraid of throwing the INT. You can't play scared and you can't be a gunslinger. Winston has to figure out that middle ground. If he does he can rise up in this league. It's a mental thing with him. The light switch is either on or off. It's a fixable problem, but it's going to have required him to put a lot of work into it. I noticed this from the first time he touched the ball last year. We won because we have a really good roster.

I believe there is a common misconception here. It wasn't wasn't solely Winston himself that was the source of his aggressiveness in the passing game. It was more dependent upon two factors ... the result of being cursed with a historically sorry defense and an offensive philosophy that included taking chances with the "no risk it, no biscuit" approach. You have to be aggressive when you are always trailing by 14 points in the 4th quarter.

SmashMouth · 09-10-2022, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Winston’s problem last year was Tom Brady’s problem in 2019 and may be Rodgers or Maholmes problem this year. Anyone would be tentative and mediocre when they don’t have any receivers who would make the team on the 2022 Jets. You can’t complete passes to your own positive thinking, you need actual receivers who get open enough to believe your eyes when it happens.

Our WR room is the most talented it's ever been, and also the most talented JW has ever worked with. We ought to see something special this year .

Boston Saint · 09-10-2022, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Winston’s problem last year was Tom Brady’s problem in 2019 and may be Rodgers or Maholmes problem this year. Anyone would be tentative and mediocre when they don’t have any receivers who would make the team on the 2022 Jets. You can’t complete passes to your own positive thinking, you need actual receivers who get open enough to believe your eyes when it happens.

This and he was drilled by Payton to be careful with his throws so much it held him back. Plus, having the best receiving back in the game.

AsylumGuido · 09-10-2022, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

This and he was drilled by Payton to be careful with his throws so much it held him back. Plus, having the best receiving back in the game.

That "best receiving back in the game" was part of the issue for some reason. He led the team in drops last season by a large margin with nine. I believe he had nine drops in 2020, as well.

rezburna · 09-10-2022, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

That "best receiving back in the game" was part of the issue for some reason. He led the team in drops last season by a large margin with nine. I believe he had nine drops in 2020, as well.

His hands aren’t the best. I would say most of his drops are concentration drops though. I wish we had Reggie Bush in todays NFL.

AsylumGuido · 09-10-2022, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

His hands aren’t the best. I would say most of his drops are concentration drops though. I wish we had Reggie Bush in todays NFL.

Yup. He's always looking to make that big play, which he often does, and takes his eye off the ball. Other players on the team with three or four drops on the season always catch the flack from fans.

09-09-2022, 09:39 AM	#41
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,878	Re: Thursday Night Football Game Night Thread - Bills @ Rams Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat Yea sir but now we will hear nothing but Bills Bills Allen Allen Super Bowl Champ 2023 destiny all day every day. Up here in Belichick land that would be awesome. WW_Who_Dat likes this.

09-09-2022, 10:51 PM	#42
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,301	Re: Thursday Night Football Game Night Thread - Bills @ Rams Originally Posted by SmashMouth Maybe ... It's still early, however . I think Allen is more clutch than Mahomes and I just overall like him better. He should have lost to Allen last year, which I think everyone can agree on I just think the dude is good. He and Burrow are the two guys that will end up with more SBs than Mahomes(as long as the Bengals get Burrow some protection). I think Winston COULD be good, but he has to find that middle ground in his game. When Winston was at Tampa he was way too aggressive with his throws. Last year I felt like he never got comfortable with taking the big shot as if he was afraid of throwing the INT. You can't play scared and you can't be a gunslinger. Winston has to figure out that middle ground. If he does he can rise up in this league. It's a mental thing with him. The light switch is either on or off. It's a fixable problem, but it's going to have required him to put a lot of work into it. I noticed this from the first time he touched the ball last year. We won because we have a really good roster. jnormand likes this.
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09-10-2022, 12:39 AM	#43
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 1,768	Re: Thursday Night Football Game Night Thread - Bills @ Rams Originally Posted by hitta I think Winston COULD be good, but he has to find that middle ground in his game. When Winston was at Tampa he was way too aggressive with his throws. Last year I felt like he never got comfortable with taking the big shot as if he was afraid of throwing the INT. Winston’s problem last year was Tom Brady’s problem in 2019 and may be Rodgers or Maholmes problem this year. Anyone would be tentative and mediocre when they don’t have any receivers who would make the team on the 2022 Jets. You can’t complete passes to your own positive thinking, you need actual receivers who get open enough to believe your eyes when it happens. AsylumGuido, SmashMouth and Boston Saint like this.
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09-10-2022, 08:33 AM	#44
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Thursday Night Football Game Night Thread - Bills @ Rams Originally Posted by BakoSaint Winston’s problem last year was Tom Brady’s problem in 2019 and may be Rodgers or Maholmes problem this year. Anyone would be tentative and mediocre when they don’t have any receivers who would make the team on the 2022 Jets. You can’t complete passes to your own positive thinking, you need actual receivers who get open enough to believe your eyes when it happens. Now that I can agree with.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Thursday Night Football Game Night Thread - Bills @ Rams Originally Posted by hitta I think Winston COULD be good, but he has to find that middle ground in his game. When Winston was at Tampa he was way too aggressive with his throws. Last year I felt like he never got comfortable with taking the big shot as if he was afraid of throwing the INT. You can't play scared and you can't be a gunslinger. Winston has to figure out that middle ground. If he does he can rise up in this league. It's a mental thing with him. The light switch is either on or off. It's a fixable problem, but it's going to have required him to put a lot of work into it. I noticed this from the first time he touched the ball last year. We won because we have a really good roster. I believe there is a common misconception here. It wasn't wasn't solely Winston himself that was the source of his aggressiveness in the passing game. It was more dependent upon two factors ... the result of being cursed with a historically sorry defense and an offensive philosophy that included taking chances with the "no risk it, no biscuit" approach. You have to be aggressive when you are always trailing by 14 points in the 4th quarter.

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09-10-2022, 10:36 AM	#46
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 37,117 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Thursday Night Football Game Night Thread - Bills @ Rams Originally Posted by BakoSaint Winston’s problem last year was Tom Brady’s problem in 2019 and may be Rodgers or Maholmes problem this year. Anyone would be tentative and mediocre when they don’t have any receivers who would make the team on the 2022 Jets. You can’t complete passes to your own positive thinking, you need actual receivers who get open enough to believe your eyes when it happens. Our WR room is the most talented it's ever been, and also the most talented JW has ever worked with. We ought to see something special this year . jnormand and Boston Saint like this.

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Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,878	Re: Thursday Night Football Game Night Thread - Bills @ Rams Originally Posted by BakoSaint Winston’s problem last year was Tom Brady’s problem in 2019 and may be Rodgers or Maholmes problem this year. Anyone would be tentative and mediocre when they don’t have any receivers who would make the team on the 2022 Jets. You can’t complete passes to your own positive thinking, you need actual receivers who get open enough to believe your eyes when it happens. This and he was drilled by Payton to be careful with his throws so much it held him back. Plus, having the best receiving back in the game.

09-10-2022, 11:43 AM	#48
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Thursday Night Football Game Night Thread - Bills @ Rams Originally Posted by Boston Saint This and he was drilled by Payton to be careful with his throws so much it held him back. Plus, having the best receiving back in the game. That "best receiving back in the game" was part of the issue for some reason. He led the team in drops last season by a large margin with nine. I believe he had nine drops in 2020, as well.

09-10-2022, 12:49 PM	#49
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,679	Re: Thursday Night Football Game Night Thread - Bills @ Rams Originally Posted by AsylumGuido That "best receiving back in the game" was part of the issue for some reason. He led the team in drops last season by a large margin with nine. I believe he had nine drops in 2020, as well. His hands aren’t the best. I would say most of his drops are concentration drops though. I wish we had Reggie Bush in todays NFL. AsylumGuido likes this.

09-10-2022, 01:02 PM	#50
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Thursday Night Football Game Night Thread - Bills @ Rams Originally Posted by rezburna His hands aren’t the best. I would say most of his drops are concentration drops though. I wish we had Reggie Bush in todays NFL. Yup. He's always looking to make that big play, which he often does, and takes his eye off the ball. Other players on the team with three or four drops on the season always catch the flack from fans.