BUCS DIDN'T WIN. WE LOST. If you were getting paid to fix this, what would you do?

Sinner · 09-18-2022, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by neugey

If you're paying me to fix this does that mean I'm an honorary NFL referee?

If you being a referee would keep the ball in our running back's hands on key plays, and prevent our QB from throwing back to back interceptions, and could draw up some great offensive plays that actually worked, I'd pay you.

Budsdrinker · 09-19-2022, 10:27 AM

Some keep saying that everything changed on the Ingram fumble and that's not true. Yes, it was a killer and it took points off the board but the defense stopped the Bucs twice after that on 3rd down only for the refs to call 2 phantom calls that gave them a new set of downs. You can call it crying about the refs all you want but no way in the world was that a personal foul on Roby or defensive holding on Tuttle. The D got a little gassed and gave up the TD pass. Making the D stay on the field after those 2 terrible calls started the domino effect with Winston forcing throws since we were down by 7. The other moment no one else is talking about is how in the hell do we have 12 men on the field for a punt. That also extended a drive for the Bucs. I just can't see all the blame falling on Ingram. Like I said, it's early in the season and I believe a lot of our issues is the lack of playing time the starters had together. Not a fan of the scheduling either starting us off with 3 division games out the chute.

Boston Saint · 09-19-2022, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by Sinner

If you were getting paid to fix this, what would you do?

It was fixed…by the refs.

K Major · 09-19-2022, 11:20 AM

The story of this game was the turnover battle. Ball security.

This was the best time to catch Tampa "slipping". We were at home, they were short handed on the O line & WR (no Akiem Hicks,Godwin, Jones DNP & Evans out last 10 minutes of the game).

After our initial offensive drive, I'm not sure what happened.

This game had that same 2019 Bucs (JCook fumble changed everything) vs Saints playoff vibe to it.

In two games, 10 sacks on JW. Running screens on JHurst side is a no no & Ruiz is a liability. >> He's a bust. Get a solid guard in the off season or draft a dawg.

Saints gotta do better offensively. We're getting tore up in those trenches.

gulfgambler · 09-19-2022, 11:33 AM

Lattimore has become a liability

mapcow · 09-19-2022, 11:52 AM

Trade MT, JW, AK, for some really good picks or vets that care; trouble is, no other team need more Prima Donna or inconsistent QB

Boston Saint · 09-19-2022, 12:28 PM

Lots of pain here today, not surprising. Interesting the differences in views.

Many reasons for the loss. Most have covered here. I’ve been pretty Pro-Winston so far, so I’m gonna be a little here too maybe, But here is my take on his INTs…

The first was not that big of a deal IMO; here is why. A couple deep shots had been taken already in the game that they had just missed on. It was obviously part of the game plan. He had overthrown the first 2 so he put a little too much loft for the INT. Ended up being a punt He hit on the 4th one and the WR fumbled.

The second one wasn’t good, but he was pressing to make something happen. You can’t praise a hurt guy for lighting it up in the 4th last week against ATl and then get on him too much for a bad choice against a much better Tampa team. They (bucs) shut down cowboys last week and now the Saints this week. The refs and the 2 fumbles were a bigger issue IMO. Just my take.

AsylumGuido · 09-19-2022, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Lots of pain here today, not surprising. Interesting the differences in views.

Many reasons for the loss. Most have covered here. I’ve been pretty Pro-Winston so far, so I’m gonna be a little here too maybe, But here is my take on his INTs…

The first was not that big of a deal IMO; here is why. A couple deep shots had been taken already in the game that they had just missed on. It was obviously part of the game plan. He had overthrown the first 2 so he put a little too much loft for the INT. Ended up being a punt He hit on the 4th one and the WR fumbled.

The second one wasn’t good, but he was pressing to make something happen. You can’t praise a hurt guy for lighting it up in the 4th last week against ATl and then get on him too much for a bad choice against a much better Tampa team. They (bucs) shut down cowboys last week and now the Saints this week. The refs and the 2 fumbles were a bigger issue IMO. Just my take.

That's almost exactly how I described it while talking with the wife on the long ride home last night. Agree 100%.

09-18-2022, 04:56 PM	#11
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,876	Re: BUCS DIDN'T WIN. WE LOST. If you were getting paid to fix this, what would you do? Originally Posted by neugey If you're paying me to fix this does that mean I'm an honorary NFL referee? If you being a referee would keep the ball in our running back's hands on key plays, and prevent our QB from throwing back to back interceptions, and could draw up some great offensive plays that actually worked, I'd pay you.
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09-19-2022, 10:27 AM	#12
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: BUCS DIDN'T WIN. WE LOST. If you were getting paid to fix this, what would you do? Some keep saying that everything changed on the Ingram fumble and that's not true. Yes, it was a killer and it took points off the board but the defense stopped the Bucs twice after that on 3rd down only for the refs to call 2 phantom calls that gave them a new set of downs. You can call it crying about the refs all you want but no way in the world was that a personal foul on Roby or defensive holding on Tuttle. The D got a little gassed and gave up the TD pass. Making the D stay on the field after those 2 terrible calls started the domino effect with Winston forcing throws since we were down by 7. The other moment no one else is talking about is how in the hell do we have 12 men on the field for a punt. That also extended a drive for the Bucs. I just can't see all the blame falling on Ingram. Like I said, it's early in the season and I believe a lot of our issues is the lack of playing time the starters had together. Not a fan of the scheduling either starting us off with 3 division games out the chute. gulfgambler, Lord_Saint83 and Boston Saint like this.

09-19-2022, 11:06 AM	#13
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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: BUCS DIDN'T WIN. WE LOST. If you were getting paid to fix this, what would you do? The story of this game was the turnover battle. Ball security. This was the best time to catch Tampa "slipping". We were at home, they were short handed on the O line & WR (no Akiem Hicks,Godwin, Jones DNP & Evans out last 10 minutes of the game). After our initial offensive drive, I'm not sure what happened. This game had that same 2019 Bucs (JCook fumble changed everything) vs Saints playoff vibe to it. In two games, 10 sacks on JW. Running screens on JHurst side is a no no & Ruiz is a liability. >> He's a bust. Get a solid guard in the off season or draft a dawg. Saints gotta do better offensively. We're getting tore up in those trenches. iceshack149, Sinner and MarchingOn like this.
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Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: BUCS DIDN'T WIN. WE LOST. If you were getting paid to fix this, what would you do? Lots of pain here today, not surprising. Interesting the differences in views. Many reasons for the loss. Most have covered here. I’ve been pretty Pro-Winston so far, so I’m gonna be a little here too maybe, But here is my take on his INTs… The first was not that big of a deal IMO; here is why. A couple deep shots had been taken already in the game that they had just missed on. It was obviously part of the game plan. He had overthrown the first 2 so he put a little too much loft for the INT. Ended up being a punt He hit on the 4th one and the WR fumbled. The second one wasn’t good, but he was pressing to make something happen. You can’t praise a hurt guy for lighting it up in the 4th last week against ATl and then get on him too much for a bad choice against a much better Tampa team. They (bucs) shut down cowboys last week and now the Saints this week. The refs and the 2 fumbles were a bigger issue IMO. Just my take. iceshack149, AsylumGuido, WW_Who_Dat and 1 others like this.
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09-19-2022, 12:53 PM	#18
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: BUCS DIDN'T WIN. WE LOST. If you were getting paid to fix this, what would you do? Originally Posted by Boston Saint Lots of pain here today, not surprising. Interesting the differences in views. Many reasons for the loss. Most have covered here. I’ve been pretty Pro-Winston so far, so I’m gonna be a little here too maybe, But here is my take on his INTs… The first was not that big of a deal IMO; here is why. A couple deep shots had been taken already in the game that they had just missed on. It was obviously part of the game plan. He had overthrown the first 2 so he put a little too much loft for the INT. Ended up being a punt He hit on the 4th one and the WR fumbled. The second one wasn’t good, but he was pressing to make something happen. You can’t praise a hurt guy for lighting it up in the 4th last week against ATl and then get on him too much for a bad choice against a much better Tampa team. They (bucs) shut down cowboys last week and now the Saints this week. The refs and the 2 fumbles were a bigger issue IMO. Just my take. That's almost exactly how I described it while talking with the wife on the long ride home last night. Agree 100%.