Do you rest Winston?
 

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If Jameis is still off because of his back issues, do you sit him for a couple of weeks and give him a chance to heal? I'm fairly certain he wants to play, but if he's your starter and he's not 100%, do you let him go anyway?

(I know. I know. Some of y'all want him benched regardless. I'm talking about a coaching decision gamet time.)

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I think if he was hurt to the point where he couldn't play, he would have(or should have) been pulled in the 4th quarter last week. It's probably manageable and not as serious as it sounds. If it is, there are people that should question if the medical field is right for them.

Let's just hope he has a big game this week so all the noise can quiet down a bit... at least for a week.

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I can't pretend I'm not intrigued about seeing what Andy Dalton could do with all the weapons we have. However, he's been known to be an interception machine as well throughout this career. Jabo has earned the right to go out there and prove last week was just an off week and that he can get back on track.

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Yes - if he's injured, have a seat and get healthy.

Dalton is more than capable vs the Panthers & Seahawks.

There is no way we should be performing this badly on offense with the aforementioned weapons we have.

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I think it is impossible to answer that question without having access to all of the decision making information. But, ...

IF one sees in practice daily that Dalton is clearly performing better, then yes, sit Winston.

IF the medical team says that the injury will prevent Winston from being able to perform as well as Dalton, then yes, sit Winston.

IF Winston has any doubts concerning his ability to perform, then yes, sit Winston.

Otherwise, go with the player that those "in the know" feel gives them their best shot at winning.

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IDK, maybe again I’m being optimistic, but Inthink a big part of the “poor” performance can be explained by playing a VERY good Tampa D. They’ve shut down the Saints and Dallas…2 teams that were expected to have good Offenses.

Winston didn’t get a lot of preseason work with the WRs. Kamara didn’t play. If Ingram doesn’t fumble at the 10 we punch it in and it’s a different ballgame. Can’t overreact to a close loss to a league darling when the refs are screwing you.

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Andy Dalton had six starts last season with the Bears. He had 8 TD's and 9 picks. He averaged 189.4 ypg passing and was sacked 18 times. He had his career low QB rating at 76.9 and 2nd highest sack rate. While he's better than Siemian and Book, he certainly is no longer anything to write home about.

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All very true.

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Think you need to consider the OL's he played with. Isn't Burrow getting sacked
quite a bit in Cincy and he has better weapons than Dalton had. If i was coaching Sunday, Winston better show me something in the first half or he's benched until healthy. I do think he was trying to do to much due to playing the team that let him go but man he made some bad decisions with the ball. He's got the first half against Carolina for me to keep him in.

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While I agree with you on some points, his decision making is what was worrisome. He sucked balls. Spade a spade bro.

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Yeah, it did suck late in the game. He admitted as much himself.

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Not to derail the thread, but Mark Ingram needs to hold on to the football.

IMO his fumble changed the momentum completely.

Washington and TJJ played well against Tampa.

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It was a killer no doubt.

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Yeah. Like I said, it totally changed the atmosphere in the Dome.

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I agree with you on this. Dalton is not likely to be amazing. Play him only if Winston is hurt enough to be worse.

I would also say this is why it was probably not advisable to sign him while it still affected compensatory pick calculations and may cost us a pick down the road. We could probably have gotten him later when it didnt affect the calculations and if not, well, there are other solid backups and he isnt the greatest. It might have been smart to ask Sean Payton which mid round QB prospect he thought was the worst in the 2022 draft and pick that guy. Probably would have found the next Tom Brady givens Sean track record with mid round QB picks, but at least we would have been able to try out someone with a possible long future if Winston doesnt work out. Dalton is probably just Winston 0.5.

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Our D has made Brady look like an avg. guy 5 straight games (including playoffs). So, I’m not worried that the Bucs did it to Jameis once.
Heck fun fact: in the Bucs 2 SB seasons, they didn’t win any of their regular season games against us.
So after 2 games, our season is far from over.

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Jameis Winston has arguably more at his disposal than Drew Brees had for the last several seasons. Including an elite defense.

JW doesn't need to be Drew Brees. Just run the offense and keep mistakes to a minimum.

If he can't handle those two aspects then yes, we give Dalton a chance.

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I maybe in the minority on this one, but I don't blame the fumble on Ingram.

He wasn't holding the ball like a loaf of bread; IIRC he had both arms around the ball. The defender just made a good play.

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I don't disagree with that at all. But the fact is that the fumble did totally change the complexation of the game. I don't blame Ingram personally, but note the fumble was critical.

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I agree.

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A players first job is to protect the ball and fumbles are always preventable.
If Mark holds himself accountable, who am I to argue?

If you rewatch it he had a loaf of bread in one arm as he was being tackled when he got stripped. See image attached, that’s when he fumbled, bread in the left arm, right hand not securing the ball.

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He's not helping the Saints or himself. Sit your butt the bench till your 100%

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OH YEAH. REST HIM. PLEASE.

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Dalton has the iq to be an improvement over Winston.

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Nah don't rest him.
Bench him completely.

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If the man was truly injured last week, he shouldn’t have played today.

Isn’t that the reason you signed a quality #2 in Dalton this off season?

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You sign Dalton in case your starter cannot play. You play him then IF your starter cannot play OR IF you believe that backup can play better than your starter (injured or not). Perhaps what they have seen in practice doesn't give them that confidence.

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That means we in trouble...

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Sticking to "supporting your starting QB at all costs" although it is clear (at least apparent to 99.9% of us) for everyone that a hurt QB will hurt the team.

But I digress ;).

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Yes, give AD a chance!

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Resting to be 100% is a myth. Football players are like phone batteries they decay over time and after the first week or two of regular season 100% is just 80% capacity.

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I admire Winston for wanting to play and try and get the team back to winning ways but he's taking a pounding out there and that can't be good for the injuries he's carrying at the moment!
Also, I don't understand how he "seems" to be intent on going for the long passes most of the time when there are other players that are wide open who would probably pick up 6 or 8 yards or maybe even the first down! Maybe I'm missing something here perhaps! Just seems strange decision making though!

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No, you aren't missing anything he's around 10% and an INT when going long to Olave.

Personally it reads as though he thinks he can overcome our inability to overcome being tied for 24th in the league for 3rd down conversions with hail marys.

Right now Winston has 4TDs and 5 INTs.

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Winston's Scouting Report Weaknesses:

• Decision making not consistent with his football intelligence
• Will throw into impossible windows rather than taking safe throw underneath
• Elongated windup and release allows instinctive defenders to close on throws
• Was too easily baited into dangerous throws
• Struggled with intermediate passing game in 2014, completing 56.8 percent of his passes with FBS-leading 11 interceptions in that range
• Still learning nuances of position and how to move and hold defenders with his eyes
• Would sleepwalk through first half of many games
• Inconsistent footwork and weight transfer caused balls to sail
• Prone to emotional outbursts on field
• Quality of decision-making drops off substantially when pocket becomes turbulent and he's forced to leave it
• Lacks athleticism to extend plays for very long outside of the pocket
• Off-the-field character and ability to lead on NFL level are his primary obstacles, according to NFL evaluators

Someone tell me that the highlighted is not exactly what we have been seeing?

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I can't recall seeing him use the pump fake to move DBs or to help him elude pass rushers - something that Brees did frequently with great success.

It's those little things that seem to be missing from his game.

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Winston is completely confused out there. Can't diagnose & read coverages on the fly. This is what made Brees elite. Blitz #9, you got burned.

Unless the protection is perfect & WR's are running high school wide open, this offense will suffer in 2022. Then add in the fumbles, interceptions & offensive penalties. DRIVE KILLERS.

Pete C is no rookie. He has to clean this up with the play selection.

No way to sugar coat it but JW and this offense is struggling.

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Five of our first six possessions were stopped by either penalties (two on Trautman, one on McCoy, and one on Ingram) or the Kamara fumble. The next two possessions were failed field goal attempts. McCoy added another holding call later to doom another drive.

There's plenty of blame there to go around.

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Mental mistakes due to a lack of discipline are usually addressed by leadership. Mental mistakes on the field now because leadership isn’t on the field, mental mistakes on the field in the preseason with the 2s and 3s because it isn’t on the sideline either.

None of your ad nauseam fellatio will change that.

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That's fine. I just choose not to ***** because it helps nothing.

:bng:

:D

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I'd be remiss if I did not point out that your reply is distinction without difference... What you choose to do helps nothing also. Maybe some consistency is called for.