Observations from the Saints Loss at Panthers

K Major · 09-25-2022, 04:57 PM

Pete Carmichael hasn’t been good but he isn’t responsible for stopping the blitz. It’s up to the QB check out of the original play and the Oline to adjust accordingly.

Again, DECISION MAKING at QB is poor through 3 games.

Saints need a spark offensively.

AsylumGuido · 09-25-2022, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Pete Carmichael hasn’t been good but he isn’t responsible for stopping the blitz. It’s up to the QB check out of the original play and the Oline to adjust accordingly.

Again, DECISION MAKING at QB is poor through 3 games.

Saints need a spark offensively.

I guess a spark is hopeless when the ENTIRE o-line is terrible.

subguy · 09-25-2022, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I’ve been pro Winston so I’ll bite. He’s not played well and made some poor decisions on throws. He’s not shown so far (outside of one Quarter in Atl) that he’s capable of making big plays to lead the team to wins.

But he’s certainly not the reason we lost those two games, and the problems on the team go deeper than Winston IMO. Our kicker makes a few kicks, our RBs hold onto the ball, Our guys don’t commit stupid penalties and the refs don’t screw us and the team is 3-0 with a QB playing with broken bones in his back. He’s being made a bit of a scapegoat I think.

Admirable of you Boston. He is not someone that can rally the team. He is not a leader. He lacks decision making skills. No one is saying he is the only problem. He is the field general, sorry to disagree with you.

subguy · 09-25-2022, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I guess a spark is hopeless when the ENTIRE o-line is terrible.

Your arrogance will cause you to always place blame anywhere but who you have championed for. You will never admit Jameis is not the answer and MT is a glass tiger. I am sure you read my post above and know I think Thomas has caught some passes, but he lacks a certain something.

WW_Who_Dat · 09-25-2022, 06:30 PM

Many here have pointed out all the things that are not going well for the Saints. Oline, offensive play calling and Dennis Allen not up to task.

All valid points but we just don’t stand a chance with a QB with little to no pocket awareness and a reasonable Football IQ. He cannot read defenses and it seems like if his first read, be short or midrange, is not open all bets are off. Besides the block pass interception how many time did he throw straight into raised arms of the defenders. I can’t recall Winston throwing the ball away this year, please correct me if I’m wrong.

Allen needs to make the QB change this week with Winston behind center we might be early first round pick in the next draft.

AsylumGuido · 09-25-2022, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat

Many here have pointed out all the things that are not going well for the Saints. Oline, offensive play calling and Dennis Allen not up to task.

All valid points but we just don’t stand a chance with a QB with little to no pocket awareness and a reasonable Football IQ. He cannot read defenses and it seems like if his first read, be short or midrange, is not open all bets are off. Besides the block pass interception how many time did he throw straight into raised arms of the defenders. I can’t recall Winston throwing the ball away this year, please correct me if I’m wrong.

Allen needs to make the QB change this week with Winston behind center we might be early first round pick in the next draft.

We don't have a first round pick in the next draft.

NewfieSaint · 09-25-2022, 06:51 PM

Sad to say but I’m not excited to watch this team anymore.. just no fire. I will continue to watch but it is hard. And next week is a London game.. oh boy

saintsfan1976 · 09-25-2022, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I’ve been pro Winston so I’ll bite. He’s not played well and made some poor decisions on throws. He’s not shown so far (outside of one Quarter in Atl) that he’s capable of making big plays to lead the team to wins.

But he’s certainly not the reason we lost those two games, and the problems on the team go deeper than Winston IMO. Our kicker makes a few kicks, our RBs hold onto the ball, Our guys don’t commit stupid penalties and the refs don’t screw us and the team is 3-0 with a QB playing with broken bones in his back. He’s being made a bit of a scapegoat I think.

I have been pro Winston. I haven't necessarily become anti Winston.

Let's be real though.

He wasn't intended to shoulder this team and take over games like Rodgers or Brady.

When everything breaks down around him he will panic, he will make mistakes and we will go deeper into the hole.

I'm not knowledgeable enough to know why these breakdowns continue to happen across the board but I can tell you we are probably one more bad loss away from season ending expectations.

GeauxForMore · 09-25-2022, 07:08 PM

First off, I want to say I love our defense. Those boys played lights out for us today. Secondly, I have never been a Winston fan and never will be one. He is who he is, a turnover machine and he will never be better. You can blame the o-line, WR, play calling, whatever, but everything starts with the QB. Injury or not the QB play helps everything. Quick decision making helps with the o-line and WR play. KAMARA is the best threat we have as a receiving threat and the ball wont be checked down. Ppl want to blame play calling, but there was a reason Winston had a good year last year before he got hurt. SP held him back and ppl wanted him to air it out. Air it out for Winston means interceptions. With our D, we will be in every game. We need someone who can manage the game. Winston can't do it. There was a reason why DA went for the rapist and Wilson before the start of the season. Without a first round pick in 2023, we are in some trouble boys. Hopefully our D plays lights out for the rest of the season, because that's the only chance we will win.

K Major · 09-25-2022, 07:21 PM

There are a lot of problems offensively, not just Winston however he's a big part. Your defense can only do so much in 4 quarters of a game.

The Saints will continue to struggle until JW is able to fully diagnose & read pre snap coverages. There is a reason why opposing defenses continue to blitz us on 3rd downs.

Anyone who doesn't see that, need to go back and re-evaluate the last 3 games. Winston has performed poorly.

Dennis, Pete, and Dougie M have a lot of work to do offensively.

09-25-2022, 04:57 PM	#21
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,742 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss at Panthers Pete Carmichael hasn’t been good but he isn’t responsible for stopping the blitz. It’s up to the QB check out of the original play and the Oline to adjust accordingly. Again, DECISION MAKING at QB is poor through 3 games. Saints need a spark offensively. subguy, jnormand and SmashMouth like this.

09-25-2022, 04:59 PM	#22
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,492	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss at Panthers Originally Posted by K Major Pete Carmichael hasn’t been good but he isn’t responsible for stopping the blitz. It’s up to the QB check out of the original play and the Oline to adjust accordingly. Again, DECISION MAKING at QB is poor through 3 games. Saints need a spark offensively. I guess a spark is hopeless when the ENTIRE o-line is terrible.

09-25-2022, 05:06 PM	#23
subguy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: FL Posts: 2,099	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss at Panthers Originally Posted by Boston Saint I’ve been pro Winston so I’ll bite. He’s not played well and made some poor decisions on throws. He’s not shown so far (outside of one Quarter in Atl) that he’s capable of making big plays to lead the team to wins. But he’s certainly not the reason we lost those two games, and the problems on the team go deeper than Winston IMO. Our kicker makes a few kicks, our RBs hold onto the ball, Our guys don’t commit stupid penalties and the refs don’t screw us and the team is 3-0 with a QB playing with broken bones in his back. He’s being made a bit of a scapegoat I think. Admirable of you Boston. He is not someone that can rally the team. He is not a leader. He lacks decision making skills. No one is saying he is the only problem. He is the field general, sorry to disagree with you. K Major and Boston Saint like this.

09-25-2022, 05:07 PM	#24
subguy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: FL Posts: 2,099	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss at Panthers Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I guess a spark is hopeless when the ENTIRE o-line is terrible. Your arrogance will cause you to always place blame anywhere but who you have championed for. You will never admit Jameis is not the answer and MT is a glass tiger. I am sure you read my post above and know I think Thomas has caught some passes, but he lacks a certain something. iceshack149 and K Major like this.

09-25-2022, 06:30 PM	#25
WW_Who_Dat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lafayette, La and Valencia CA Posts: 1,275 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss at Panthers Many here have pointed out all the things that are not going well for the Saints. Oline, offensive play calling and Dennis Allen not up to task. All valid points but we just don’t stand a chance with a QB with little to no pocket awareness and a reasonable Football IQ. He cannot read defenses and it seems like if his first read, be short or midrange, is not open all bets are off. Besides the block pass interception how many time did he throw straight into raised arms of the defenders. I can’t recall Winston throwing the ball away this year, please correct me if I’m wrong. Allen needs to make the QB change this week with Winston behind center we might be early first round pick in the next draft.

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09-25-2022, 06:34 PM	#26
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,492	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss at Panthers Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat Many here have pointed out all the things that are not going well for the Saints. Oline, offensive play calling and Dennis Allen not up to task. All valid points but we just don’t stand a chance with a QB with little to no pocket awareness and a reasonable Football IQ. He cannot read defenses and it seems like if his first read, be short or midrange, is not open all bets are off. Besides the block pass interception how many time did he throw straight into raised arms of the defenders. I can’t recall Winston throwing the ball away this year, please correct me if I’m wrong. Allen needs to make the QB change this week with Winston behind center we might be early first round pick in the next draft. We don't have a first round pick in the next draft.

09-25-2022, 06:51 PM	#27
NewfieSaint 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 117	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss at Panthers Sad to say but I’m not excited to watch this team anymore.. just no fire. I will continue to watch but it is hard. And next week is a London game.. oh boy
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09-25-2022, 07:06 PM	#28
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,975 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss at Panthers Originally Posted by Boston Saint I’ve been pro Winston so I’ll bite. He’s not played well and made some poor decisions on throws. He’s not shown so far (outside of one Quarter in Atl) that he’s capable of making big plays to lead the team to wins. But he’s certainly not the reason we lost those two games, and the problems on the team go deeper than Winston IMO. Our kicker makes a few kicks, our RBs hold onto the ball, Our guys don’t commit stupid penalties and the refs don’t screw us and the team is 3-0 with a QB playing with broken bones in his back. He’s being made a bit of a scapegoat I think. I have been pro Winston. I haven't necessarily become anti Winston. Let's be real though. He wasn't intended to shoulder this team and take over games like Rodgers or Brady. When everything breaks down around him he will panic, he will make mistakes and we will go deeper into the hole. I'm not knowledgeable enough to know why these breakdowns continue to happen across the board but I can tell you we are probably one more bad loss away from season ending expectations. Rugby Saint II, FinSaint and K Major like this.

09-25-2022, 07:08 PM	#29
GeauxForMore 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Panama City, FL Posts: 590	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss at Panthers First off, I want to say I love our defense. Those boys played lights out for us today. Secondly, I have never been a Winston fan and never will be one. He is who he is, a turnover machine and he will never be better. You can blame the o-line, WR, play calling, whatever, but everything starts with the QB. Injury or not the QB play helps everything. Quick decision making helps with the o-line and WR play. KAMARA is the best threat we have as a receiving threat and the ball wont be checked down. Ppl want to blame play calling, but there was a reason Winston had a good year last year before he got hurt. SP held him back and ppl wanted him to air it out. Air it out for Winston means interceptions. With our D, we will be in every game. We need someone who can manage the game. Winston can't do it. There was a reason why DA went for the rapist and Wilson before the start of the season. Without a first round pick in 2023, we are in some trouble boys. Hopefully our D plays lights out for the rest of the season, because that's the only chance we will win.

09-25-2022, 07:21 PM	#30
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,742 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from the Saints Loss at Panthers There are a lot of problems offensively, not just Winston however he's a big part. Your defense can only do so much in 4 quarters of a game. The Saints will continue to struggle until JW is able to fully diagnose & read pre snap coverages. There is a reason why opposing defenses continue to blitz us on 3rd downs. Anyone who doesn't see that, need to go back and re-evaluate the last 3 games. Winston has performed poorly. Dennis, Pete, and Dougie M have a lot of work to do offensively. subguy, jnormand, SmashMouth and 2 others like this.