Observations from the Saints' close loss to the Vikings

BakoSaint · 10-02-2022, 12:02 PM

We should stick with Dalton regardless next week. He provided some spark. But even if he is better than Winston probably neither is good enough to get a ring, especially playing 11 vs 16 with the refs, and even if one was good enough, neither project to be durable and stay healthy at their age/condition with our oline. We probably need a qb and to get that we probably need a high first round pick and possibly more to trade up which means waiting until 2024. At least maybe Dalton can give us consistent enough qb play to properly evaluate our talent as long as he can stay on the field. Maybe he can make Thomas or Hill look good enough to trade for something. If Dalton has ups and downs, as we would expect, we can give winston another look when he is fully healthy, but I dont know if he will ever stay fully healthy when our guards are a guy who is there because of his draft position and another guy who is there because of his contract commitment, not anyone who is there because they are good at blocking pass rushers.

llaguardia81 · 10-02-2022, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

We should stick with Dalton regardless next week. He provided some spark. But even if he is better than Winston probably neither is good enough to get a ring, especially playing 11 vs 16 with the refs, and even if one was good enough, neither project to be durable and stay healthy at their age/condition with our oline. We probably need a qb and to get that we probably need a high first round pick and possibly more to trade up which means waiting until 2024. At least maybe Dalton can give us consistent enough qb play to properly evaluate our talent as long as he can stay on the field. Maybe he can make Thomas or Hill look good enough to trade for something. If Dalton has ups and downs, as we would expect, we can give winston another look when he is fully healthy, but I dont know if he will ever stay fully healthy when our guards are a guy who is there because of his draft position and another guy who is there because of his contract commitment, not anyone who is there because they are good at blocking pass rushers.

We wouldn't have to wait until 24. If Sean comes of out retirement and coaches again next year, whichever team that would want him would automatically have to hand over their first round pick in this upcoming draft.

BakoSaint · 10-02-2022, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by llaguardia81

We wouldn't have to wait until 24. If Sean comes of out retirement and coaches again next year, whichever team that would want him would automatically have to hand over their first round pick in this upcoming draft.

That could happen but it would likely be a mid-round pick. The nice thing about the NFL is that normally the teams that really need a QB badly finish with really bad records so they get very high first round picks, at least 5th-10th, which really helps in getting the QB you want. However, usually the teams willing to trade for a new head coach have potential but are underachieving, teams with .500 type records, so they don't have those picks. Had we kept our pick, we would be on track to draft top 5-10 at a 1-3 record which is perfectly in line Dennis Allen's two full seasons as head coach at 4-12. Maybe we can find a value QB in the mid 1st or trade up, but that relies on someone paying up for Payton and us not getting squeezed by Payton saying he only wants to go to one team and that team not having or offering a 1st rounder. Maybe Payton will want to go to Denver to fix Russell Wilson but they don't have a 1st rounder.

10-02-2022, 12:02 PM	#1
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,390	Re: Observations from the Saints' close loss to the Vikings We should stick with Dalton regardless next week. He provided some spark. But even if he is better than Winston probably neither is good enough to get a ring, especially playing 11 vs 16 with the refs, and even if one was good enough, neither project to be durable and stay healthy at their age/condition with our oline. We probably need a qb and to get that we probably need a high first round pick and possibly more to trade up which means waiting until 2024. At least maybe Dalton can give us consistent enough qb play to properly evaluate our talent as long as he can stay on the field. Maybe he can make Thomas or Hill look good enough to trade for something. If Dalton has ups and downs, as we would expect, we can give winston another look when he is fully healthy, but I dont know if he will ever stay fully healthy when our guards are a guy who is there because of his draft position and another guy who is there because of his contract commitment, not anyone who is there because they are good at blocking pass rushers. MarchingOn likes this.
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10-02-2022, 01:18 PM	#2
llaguardia81 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2017 Posts: 443 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Observations from the Saints' close loss to the Vikings Originally Posted by BakoSaint We should stick with Dalton regardless next week. He provided some spark. But even if he is better than Winston probably neither is good enough to get a ring, especially playing 11 vs 16 with the refs, and even if one was good enough, neither project to be durable and stay healthy at their age/condition with our oline. We probably need a qb and to get that we probably need a high first round pick and possibly more to trade up which means waiting until 2024. At least maybe Dalton can give us consistent enough qb play to properly evaluate our talent as long as he can stay on the field. Maybe he can make Thomas or Hill look good enough to trade for something. If Dalton has ups and downs, as we would expect, we can give winston another look when he is fully healthy, but I dont know if he will ever stay fully healthy when our guards are a guy who is there because of his draft position and another guy who is there because of his contract commitment, not anyone who is there because they are good at blocking pass rushers. We wouldn't have to wait until 24. If Sean comes of out retirement and coaches again next year, whichever team that would want him would automatically have to hand over their first round pick in this upcoming draft.

10-02-2022, 01:39 PM	#3
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,390	Re: Observations from the Saints' close loss to the Vikings Originally Posted by llaguardia81 We wouldn't have to wait until 24. If Sean comes of out retirement and coaches again next year, whichever team that would want him would automatically have to hand over their first round pick in this upcoming draft. That could happen but it would likely be a mid-round pick. The nice thing about the NFL is that normally the teams that really need a QB badly finish with really bad records so they get very high first round picks, at least 5th-10th, which really helps in getting the QB you want. However, usually the teams willing to trade for a new head coach have potential but are underachieving, teams with .500 type records, so they don't have those picks. Had we kept our pick, we would be on track to draft top 5-10 at a 1-3 record which is perfectly in line Dennis Allen's two full seasons as head coach at 4-12. Maybe we can find a value QB in the mid 1st or trade up, but that relies on someone paying up for Payton and us not getting squeezed by Payton saying he only wants to go to one team and that team not having or offering a 1st rounder. Maybe Payton will want to go to Denver to fix Russell Wilson but they don't have a 1st rounder.
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