Observations from the Saints' close loss to the Vikings

SmashMouth · 10-02-2022, 11:43 AM

Great game despite the outcome.

Incredible FG made by Lutz and an almost even better one to close the game.

Can't be mad, really, other than the BS ref call on Lattimore. If the refs call it consistent, the game, we get one of own own.

Improvement from the team overall. Is it a result of the red haired wonder at QB? Maybe .. also Murray was a refreshing new set of legs and welcomed back in the fold. We missed his size.

Olave is proving his worth. Congrats for his first TD as a pro and as a Saint. Hope he gets to keep that football.

Even Trautman showed us something.

Cam Jordan continues to impress, even as he ages.

Davenport doesn't seem to miss his pinky, except at tea time in London.

Is it over for the Saints this season? Hardly. Tis a long season. The schedule is hard. But there is room even for an 9-8 team this year in the playoffs. The weakness of the NFC as a whole will ultimately help this team out.

Who Dat!

mapcow · 10-02-2022, 11:47 AM

man... imagine if the Prima Donna (MT) was on the field today; all that money just sitting on the bench....

neugey · 10-02-2022, 11:54 AM

- For me, the more frustrating call was the phantom hands to the face on Honey Badger.

- Can't expect to win many games relying on the kicker for multiple 60+ yard field goals.

- Vikings play-calling in the red zone seemed much better than ours. If we can't run it in it feels like we're stuck.

K Major · 10-02-2022, 11:56 AM

Turnovers, penalties (10-105 yards) & refs late in the 4th.

It’s hard to win in the NFL games + the zebras. We shouldn’t be surprised though.

Anyone notice not one holding call all game on Vikings O line or secondary.

Is that even remotely possible?

Offensively the play calling is suspect + LTrain needs to be more involved in this run game going forward.

Olave is the truth. Winnable game though.

AsylumGuido · 10-03-2022, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Turnovers, penalties (10-105 yards) & refs late in the 4th.

It’s hard to win in the NFL games + the zebras. We shouldn’t be surprised though.

Anyone notice not one holding call all game on Vikings O line or secondary.

Is that even remotely possible?

Offensively the play calling is suspect + LTrain needs to be more involved in this run game going forward.

Olave is the truth. Winnable game though.

I can believe it after seeing the season penalty stats. The Vikings are one of two teams that have not been called for a single offensive hold after four games.

Sinner · 10-02-2022, 12:01 PM

We should never be in a position to let the refs, and the other team beat us like this. But here we are. On to next week...

BakoSaint · 10-02-2022, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

We should never be in a position to let the refs, and the other team beat us like this. But here we are. On to next week...

So looking at the 1985 Chicago Bears, they were 15-1 and won all their playoff games by 21+ points. They did have 2 of their regular season wins decided by 7 points or less, which you could probably say the refs were in a position to decide those games if they wanted to. But still 13-3 would have kept them in the #1 seed in the NFC so those games were not decisive. So basically to be able to ignore the work of the refs, we just need to be the 1985 Chicago Bears. If that is the case, we better get a new GM, because you can be the 1985 Chicago Bears with a mediocre QB and a one dimensional head coach, but you can't be the 1985 Chicago Bears with a GM who lets that coach surround themselves with mediocre coordinators, locks up mediocre players in big contracts, lets star defenders go because they made a little noise, etc.

Sinner · 10-02-2022, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

So looking at the 1985 Chicago Bears, they were 15-1 and won all their playoff games by 21+ points. They did have 2 of their regular season wins decided by 7 points or less, which you could probably say the refs were in a position to decide those games if they wanted to. But still 13-3 would have kept them in the #1 seed in the NFC so those games were not decisive. So basically to be able to ignore the work of the refs, we just need to be the 1985 Chicago Bears. If that is the case, we better get a new GM, because you can be the 1985 Chicago Bears with a mediocre QB and a one dimensional head coach, but you can't be the 1985 Chicago Bears with a GM who lets that coach surround themselves with mediocre coordinators, locks up mediocre players in big contracts, lets star defenders go because they made a little noise, etc.

It would be nice to just be 3-1 like the team that beat us today by a field goal, which would be the case if everything you said from "get a new GM", to the end of your comment were the case.

TheOak · 10-02-2022, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

So looking at the 1985 Chicago Bears, they were 15-1 and won all their playoff games by 21+ points. They did have 2 of their regular season wins decided by 7 points or less, which you could probably say the refs were in a position to decide those games if they wanted to. But still 13-3 would have kept them in the #1 seed in the NFC so those games were not decisive. So basically to be able to ignore the work of the refs, we just need to be the 1985 Chicago Bears. If that is the case, we better get a new GM, because you can be the 1985 Chicago Bears with a mediocre QB and a one dimensional head coach, but you can't be the 1985 Chicago Bears with a GM who lets that coach surround themselves with mediocre coordinators, locks up mediocre players in big contracts, lets star defenders go because they made a little noise, etc.

If you are 1-3 with a -7 turn over ratio, a kicker with 50% FG, a 34% 3rd down conversion rate, and lead the league in penalties… it’s not the refs. It pains me to say this but we suck, it’s not the refs.

We were a penalty machine in preseason and I pointed out the discipline issues associated with this and was told that I didn’t know what I was talking about by people that didn’t know what they were talking about it seems lol.

Boston Saint · 10-02-2022, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

If you are 1-3 with a -7 turn over ratio, a kicker with 50% FG, a 34% 3rd down conversion rate, and lead the league in penalties… it’s not the refs. It pains me to say this but we suck, it’s not the refs.

We were a penalty machine in preseason and I pointed out the discipline issues associated with this and was told that I didn’t know what I was talking about by people that didn’t know what they were talking about it seems lol.

We can play poorly/suck and it still be the refs. Part of those 10 penalties were undeserved. Part of those 10 penalties should also go to the Vikings and they aren’t. Someone pointed out that the vikings weren’t called for a single holding penalty of offense or defense. Really? Give me a break. That doesn’t happen in a football game. The offense and special teams have played like crap at times no doubt. Bad turnovers absolutely. But to say the refs aren’t part of it is BS.

10-02-2022, 11:47 AM	#2
mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,819	Re: Observations from the Saints' close loss to the Vikings man... imagine if the Prima Donna (MT) was on the field today; all that money just sitting on the bench....
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10-02-2022, 11:54 AM	#3
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,857 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Observations from the Saints' close loss to the Vikings - For me, the more frustrating call was the phantom hands to the face on Honey Badger. - Can't expect to win many games relying on the kicker for multiple 60+ yard field goals. - Vikings play-calling in the red zone seemed much better than ours. If we can't run it in it feels like we're stuck. Rell&Gold likes this.

10-02-2022, 11:56 AM	#4
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,828 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from the Saints' close loss to the Vikings Turnovers, penalties (10-105 yards) & refs late in the 4th. It’s hard to win in the NFL games + the zebras. We shouldn’t be surprised though. Anyone notice not one holding call all game on Vikings O line or secondary. Is that even remotely possible? Offensively the play calling is suspect + LTrain needs to be more involved in this run game going forward. Olave is the truth. Winnable game though. Rsanders24, saintsfan1976, SmashMouth and 2 others like this.

10-03-2022, 08:52 AM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Observations from the Saints' close loss to the Vikings Originally Posted by K Major Turnovers, penalties (10-105 yards) & refs late in the 4th. It’s hard to win in the NFL games + the zebras. We shouldn’t be surprised though. Anyone notice not one holding call all game on Vikings O line or secondary. Is that even remotely possible? Offensively the play calling is suspect + LTrain needs to be more involved in this run game going forward. Olave is the truth. Winnable game though. I can believe it after seeing the season penalty stats. The Vikings are one of two teams that have not been called for a single offensive hold after four games.

10-02-2022, 12:01 PM	#6
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,068	Re: Observations from the Saints' close loss to the Vikings We should never be in a position to let the refs, and the other team beat us like this. But here we are. On to next week... saintsfan1976, SmashMouth, Pete and 1 others like this.
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10-02-2022, 11:43 AM	#1
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,782 Blog Entries: 29	Observations from the Saints' close loss to the Vikings Great game despite the outcome. Incredible FG made by Lutz and an almost even better one to close the game. Can't be mad, really, other than the BS ref call on Lattimore. If the refs call it consistent, the game, we get one of own own. Improvement from the team overall. Is it a result of the red haired wonder at QB? Maybe .. also Murray was a refreshing new set of legs and welcomed back in the fold. We missed his size. Olave is proving his worth. Congrats for his first TD as a pro and as a Saint. Hope he gets to keep that football. Even Trautman showed us something. Cam Jordan continues to impress, even as he ages. Davenport doesn't seem to miss his pinky, except at tea time in London. Is it over for the Saints this season? Hardly. Tis a long season. The schedule is hard. But there is room even for an 9-8 team this year in the playoffs. The weakness of the NFC as a whole will ultimately help this team out. Who Dat! jnormand, turbo_dog, papz and 3 others like this.

10-02-2022, 01:14 PM	#7
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,389	Re: Observations from the Saints' close loss to the Vikings Originally Posted by Sinner We should never be in a position to let the refs, and the other team beat us like this. But here we are. On to next week... So looking at the 1985 Chicago Bears, they were 15-1 and won all their playoff games by 21+ points. They did have 2 of their regular season wins decided by 7 points or less, which you could probably say the refs were in a position to decide those games if they wanted to. But still 13-3 would have kept them in the #1 seed in the NFC so those games were not decisive. So basically to be able to ignore the work of the refs, we just need to be the 1985 Chicago Bears. If that is the case, we better get a new GM, because you can be the 1985 Chicago Bears with a mediocre QB and a one dimensional head coach, but you can't be the 1985 Chicago Bears with a GM who lets that coach surround themselves with mediocre coordinators, locks up mediocre players in big contracts, lets star defenders go because they made a little noise, etc. Rell&Gold likes this.
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10-02-2022, 02:35 PM	#8
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,068	Re: Observations from the Saints' close loss to the Vikings Originally Posted by BakoSaint So looking at the 1985 Chicago Bears, they were 15-1 and won all their playoff games by 21+ points. They did have 2 of their regular season wins decided by 7 points or less, which you could probably say the refs were in a position to decide those games if they wanted to. But still 13-3 would have kept them in the #1 seed in the NFC so those games were not decisive. So basically to be able to ignore the work of the refs, we just need to be the 1985 Chicago Bears. If that is the case, we better get a new GM, because you can be the 1985 Chicago Bears with a mediocre QB and a one dimensional head coach, but you can't be the 1985 Chicago Bears with a GM who lets that coach surround themselves with mediocre coordinators, locks up mediocre players in big contracts, lets star defenders go because they made a little noise, etc. It would be nice to just be 3-1 like the team that beat us today by a field goal, which would be the case if everything you said from "get a new GM", to the end of your comment were the case.
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10-02-2022, 03:09 PM	#9
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Observations from the Saints' close loss to the Vikings Originally Posted by BakoSaint So looking at the 1985 Chicago Bears, they were 15-1 and won all their playoff games by 21+ points. They did have 2 of their regular season wins decided by 7 points or less, which you could probably say the refs were in a position to decide those games if they wanted to. But still 13-3 would have kept them in the #1 seed in the NFC so those games were not decisive. So basically to be able to ignore the work of the refs, we just need to be the 1985 Chicago Bears. If that is the case, we better get a new GM, because you can be the 1985 Chicago Bears with a mediocre QB and a one dimensional head coach, but you can't be the 1985 Chicago Bears with a GM who lets that coach surround themselves with mediocre coordinators, locks up mediocre players in big contracts, lets star defenders go because they made a little noise, etc. If you are 1-3 with a -7 turn over ratio, a kicker with 50% FG, a 34% 3rd down conversion rate, and lead the league in penalties… it’s not the refs. It pains me to say this but we suck, it’s not the refs. We were a penalty machine in preseason and I pointed out the discipline issues associated with this and was told that I didn’t know what I was talking about by people that didn’t know what they were talking about it seems lol. neugey, Crusader, saintsfan1976 and 2 others like this.

10-02-2022, 04:01 PM	#10
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Observations from the Saints' close loss to the Vikings Originally Posted by TheOak If you are 1-3 with a -7 turn over ratio, a kicker with 50% FG, a 34% 3rd down conversion rate, and lead the league in penalties… it’s not the refs. It pains me to say this but we suck, it’s not the refs. We were a penalty machine in preseason and I pointed out the discipline issues associated with this and was told that I didn’t know what I was talking about by people that didn’t know what they were talking about it seems lol. We can play poorly/suck and it still be the refs. Part of those 10 penalties were undeserved. Part of those 10 penalties should also go to the Vikings and they aren’t. Someone pointed out that the vikings weren’t called for a single holding penalty of offense or defense. Really? Give me a break. That doesn’t happen in a football game. The offense and special teams have played like crap at times no doubt. Bad turnovers absolutely. But to say the refs aren’t part of it is BS. Rell&Gold likes this.