Lance Moore input on Dalton versus Winston

AsylumGuido · 10-14-2022, 08:45 AM

Nice question and answer that raises discussion points.

SmashMouth · 10-15-2022, 10:34 AM

But Jameis has to be able to read defense to actually be successful with those quick and easier throws. Has he spent enough tutelage to be able to do so? One would have to say yes by now.

We may be trading the rights for SP in the off season for multiple number ones so that we can get to this vaunted QB class of 2023.

subguy · 10-15-2022, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

But Jameis has to be able to read defense to actually be successful with those quick and easier throws. Has he spent enough tutelage to be able to do so? One would have to say yes by now.

We may be trading the rights for SP in the off season for multiple number ones so that we can get to this vaunted QB class of 2023.

I hope we make a deal for a 2023 QB.

Jameis isn't the leader and keeping cool isn't in his vocabulary. Yes, he can throw the ball downfield, but. Realistically, aside from painting AG's narrative, what does he bring to the table? Mobility, maybe. No one has ever said he doesn't have athletic ability, or doesn't give effort. At the end of the day, it all comes down to results.

Dalton is the best solution at the moment. If for one reason and one reason only, he knows how to check down. It is necessary with a back like Kamara.

I truly wish we could see Dalton with a receiving corps, other than 4th, 5th and 6th stringers.

K Major · 10-15-2022, 11:29 AM

The Saints will be drafting a QB in 2023.

Something that the organization should have looked at more closely while Brees was still under center.

4everSaint · 10-16-2022, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

The Saints will be drafting a QB in 2023.

Something that the organization should have looked at more closely while Brees was still under center.

We were going to. Remember getting leap frogged by KC to get Mahomes? We were literally planning to draft Mahomes.

Sean would still be here. No doubt in my mind. Had we gotten Mahomes. We would also have another SB win under our belt by now. 1 pick ahead of us. 1 pick.

While appearing on Fox NFL Kickoff, former Saints coach Sean Payton told the story of when the Saints almost picked Mahomes with the No. 11 pick in the draft before the Chiefs traded up to take him at the No. 10 pick.

“The best quarterback I’d ever seen on college tape,” Payton said of Mahomes.

The former New Orleans coach also said Drew Brees was in the New Orleans draft room for the first time ever in 2017. Payton said selecting Mahomes wasn’t going to impact Brees, but he thought it was important that he told him they might take Mahomes.

dizzle88 · 10-15-2022, 11:39 AM

Just because Jameis can throw the ball down the field, doesnt mean he should. That seems to be a big issue, that and not being able to read defenses or throw accurate intermediate passes.

As Major said, this should have been addressed when Brees was under center. We need to draft a QB and not go into the following seasons expecting a huge improvement with the same cast of underachievers.

SmashMouth · 10-15-2022, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

The Saints will be drafting a QB in 2023.

Something that the organization should have looked at more closely while Brees was still under center.

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Just because Jameis can throw the ball down the field, doesnt mean he should. That seems to be a big issue, that and not being able to read defenses or throw accurate intermediate passes.

As Major said, this should have been addressed when Brees was under center. We need to draft a QB and not go into the following seasons expecting a huge improvement with the same cast of underachievers.

They actually did try to address it, albeit unsuccessfully. Is that a knock on SP and Loomis or a matter of circumstance and fate?

TheOak · 10-17-2022, 07:01 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

They actually did try to address it, albeit unsuccessfully. Is that a knock on SP and Loomis or a matter of circumstance and fate?

Did they attempt to address it? Yes.
Did the try (put forth sweat equity and investment) to address it? No.

This is what KC gave up for Mahomes: Buffalo traded a first-round selection (10th) to Kansas City in exchange for Kansas City's first- and third-round selections (27th and 91st), as well as a first-round selection in 2018.)

That is trying to get a QB. Probably worth pointing out that in 2017 we picked Lattimore between Mahomes and Watson.

Mahomes would have had 3 years of a rookie deal under Drew and could have signed a bigger deal in 2020 as Drew finished his last year..

Rugby Saint II · 10-18-2022, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Did they attempt to address it? Yes.
Did the try (put forth sweat equity and investment) to address it? No.

This is what KC gave up for Mahomes: Buffalo traded a first-round selection (10th) to Kansas City in exchange for Kansas City's first- and third-round selections (27th and 91st), as well as a first-round selection in 2018.)

That is trying to get a QB. Probably worth pointing out that in 2017 we picked Lattimore between Mahomes and Watson.

Mahomes would have had 3 years of a rookie deal under Drew and could have signed a bigger deal in 2020 as Drew finished his last year..

True Dat. But sometimes good things fall to you. Other times you have to be aggressive. However, people always complain about the Saints moving up in the daft. If we had moved up from eleven to ten to insure that we got him we would have been crucified for wasting picks on Mahomes.

You play the cards you're dealt.

Rugby Saint II · 10-15-2022, 01:14 PM

Dalton looks like a finished product. Unfortunately, Winston still looks like a deer in the head lights.

Remember that Lance's mom joined BNG after reading comments about what a good man his mom raised on here. She was fun.

10-14-2022, 08:45 AM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,473	Lance Moore input on Dalton versus Winston Nice question and answer that raises discussion points. Twitter

10-15-2022, 10:34 AM	#2
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,479 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Lance Moore input on Dalton versus Winston But Jameis has to be able to read defense to actually be successful with those quick and easier throws. Has he spent enough tutelage to be able to do so? One would have to say yes by now. We may be trading the rights for SP in the off season for multiple number ones so that we can get to this vaunted QB class of 2023. Rugby Saint II and Rell&Gold like this.

10-15-2022, 10:46 AM	#3
subguy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: FL Posts: 2,099	Re: Lance Moore input on Dalton versus Winston Originally Posted by SmashMouth But Jameis has to be able to read defense to actually be successful with those quick and easier throws. Has he spent enough tutelage to be able to do so? One would have to say yes by now. We may be trading the rights for SP in the off season for multiple number ones so that we can get to this vaunted QB class of 2023. I hope we make a deal for a 2023 QB. Jameis isn't the leader and keeping cool isn't in his vocabulary. Yes, he can throw the ball downfield, but. Realistically, aside from painting AG's narrative, what does he bring to the table? Mobility, maybe. No one has ever said he doesn't have athletic ability, or doesn't give effort. At the end of the day, it all comes down to results. Dalton is the best solution at the moment. If for one reason and one reason only, he knows how to check down. It is necessary with a back like Kamara. I truly wish we could see Dalton with a receiving corps, other than 4th, 5th and 6th stringers. QBREES9 and Rugby Saint II like this.
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10-15-2022, 11:29 AM	#4
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,738 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Lance Moore input on Dalton versus Winston The Saints will be drafting a QB in 2023. Something that the organization should have looked at more closely while Brees was still under center. UK_WhoDat, leilung, dizzle88 and 3 others like this.

10-16-2022, 06:49 PM	#5
4everSaint 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Madison, MS Posts: 838	Re: Lance Moore input on Dalton versus Winston Originally Posted by K Major The Saints will be drafting a QB in 2023. Something that the organization should have looked at more closely while Brees was still under center. We were going to. Remember getting leap frogged by KC to get Mahomes? We were literally planning to draft Mahomes. Sean would still be here. No doubt in my mind. Had we gotten Mahomes. We would also have another SB win under our belt by now. 1 pick ahead of us. 1 pick. While appearing on Fox NFL Kickoff, former Saints coach Sean Payton told the story of when the Saints almost picked Mahomes with the No. 11 pick in the draft before the Chiefs traded up to take him at the No. 10 pick. “The best quarterback I’d ever seen on college tape,” Payton said of Mahomes. The former New Orleans coach also said Drew Brees was in the New Orleans draft room for the first time ever in 2017. Payton said selecting Mahomes wasn’t going to impact Brees, but he thought it was important that he told him they might take Mahomes. Rugby Saint II likes this.

10-15-2022, 11:39 AM	#6
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,518	Re: Lance Moore input on Dalton versus Winston Just because Jameis can throw the ball down the field, doesnt mean he should. That seems to be a big issue, that and not being able to read defenses or throw accurate intermediate passes. As Major said, this should have been addressed when Brees was under center. We need to draft a QB and not go into the following seasons expecting a huge improvement with the same cast of underachievers. Sinner and Rell&Gold like this.

10-15-2022, 11:59 AM	#7
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,479 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Lance Moore input on Dalton versus Winston Originally Posted by K Major The Saints will be drafting a QB in 2023. Something that the organization should have looked at more closely while Brees was still under center. Originally Posted by dizzle88 Just because Jameis can throw the ball down the field, doesnt mean he should. That seems to be a big issue, that and not being able to read defenses or throw accurate intermediate passes. As Major said, this should have been addressed when Brees was under center. We need to draft a QB and not go into the following seasons expecting a huge improvement with the same cast of underachievers. They actually did try to address it, albeit unsuccessfully. Is that a knock on SP and Loomis or a matter of circumstance and fate?

10-17-2022, 07:01 AM	#8
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: Lance Moore input on Dalton versus Winston Originally Posted by SmashMouth They actually did try to address it, albeit unsuccessfully. Is that a knock on SP and Loomis or a matter of circumstance and fate? Did they attempt to address it? Yes. Did the try (put forth sweat equity and investment) to address it? No. This is what KC gave up for Mahomes: Buffalo traded a first-round selection (10th) to Kansas City in exchange for Kansas City's first- and third-round selections (27th and 91st), as well as a first-round selection in 2018.) That is trying to get a QB. Probably worth pointing out that in 2017 we picked Lattimore between Mahomes and Watson. Mahomes would have had 3 years of a rookie deal under Drew and could have signed a bigger deal in 2020 as Drew finished his last year.. saintsfan1976, SmashMouth and K Major like this.
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10-18-2022, 11:26 AM	#9
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,117	Re: Lance Moore input on Dalton versus Winston Originally Posted by TheOak Did they attempt to address it? Yes. Did the try (put forth sweat equity and investment) to address it? No. This is what KC gave up for Mahomes: Buffalo traded a first-round selection (10th) to Kansas City in exchange for Kansas City's first- and third-round selections (27th and 91st), as well as a first-round selection in 2018.) That is trying to get a QB. Probably worth pointing out that in 2017 we picked Lattimore between Mahomes and Watson. Mahomes would have had 3 years of a rookie deal under Drew and could have signed a bigger deal in 2020 as Drew finished his last year.. True Dat. But sometimes good things fall to you. Other times you have to be aggressive. However, people always complain about the Saints moving up in the daft. If we had moved up from eleven to ten to insure that we got him we would have been crucified for wasting picks on Mahomes. You play the cards you're dealt. SmashMouth likes this.
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10-15-2022, 01:14 PM	#10
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,117	Re: Lance Moore input on Dalton versus Winston Dalton looks like a finished product. Unfortunately, Winston still looks like a deer in the head lights. Remember that Lance's mom joined BNG after reading comments about what a good man his mom raised on here. She was fun. jnormand and dizzle88 like this.