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TheOak 10-17-2022 03:46 PM

Re: Observation from the Saints loss to Bengals
 
On face value, it is short sighted to jet a new HC after 1/2 a season especially when we were just above .500 last season, it is not as if he took a 15-2 team into the gutter.


That said... this is where I deviate.


Pete Carmichael is in his 14th :censored: season as the Offensive Coordinator and there are no reasonable excuses for how poorly this offense is performing. Assuming Carmichael wasn't just punching a clock and collecting a check for 14 years; all Allen would have to make is the frequent go for it on 4th, or decide to kick an onside kick once every few games.

So, either Carmichael needs to go for being a piss poor OC or Allen needs to go for not letting Pete call the plays. :bng:

Gayle Benson needs to call them both in, tell them both to quit stepping on their own d1cks.

AsylumGuido 10-17-2022 04:47 PM

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- Andy Dalton had open receivers all game and either couldn't hit them or simply threw the ball away with minimal pressure. He looked Siemian-like out there. Cincy fans were laughing at us saying we got what they had to put up with for years. Dalton is not a playmaker. He's a placeholder.

- Burrow was Joe Burrow. He constantly got rid of the ball in two seconds for those short unguardable three yarders.

- Why wasn't Taysom used in those key short yardage situations like last week against the Seahawks?

- Why not give Shaheed another touch after that explosive jet sweep? Hell, run the exact same play and make them prove they can stop it. Better than the dives picking up two yards in the second half.

- Two more key dropped passes by Kamara who has led the team in dropped passes each of the past two seasons.

- Ingram looked more like his old self. Latavius who?

SmashMouth 10-17-2022 07:47 PM

Re: Observation from the Saints loss to Bengals
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 961126)
On face value, it is short sighted to jet a new HC after 1/2 a season especially when we were just above .500 last season, it is not as if he took a 15-2 team into the gutter.


That said... this is where I deviate.


Pete Carmichael is in his 14th :censored: season as the Offensive Coordinator and there are no reasonable excuses for how poorly this offense is performing. Assuming Carmichael wasn't just punching a clock and collecting a check for 14 years; all Allen would have to make the frequent go for it on 4th, or decide to kick an onside kick once every few games.

So, either Carmichael needs to go for being a piss poor OC or Allen needs to go for not letting Pete call the plays. :bng:

Gayle Benson needs to call them both in, tell them both to quit stepping on their own d1cks.

We're not quite at mid season grades... Points are valid, just premature. Let's see what unfolds in the coming weeks with this brutal schedule.

Most teams suck this year. We just need to suck less . :bng:

TheOak 10-18-2022 06:09 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 961146)
We're not quite at mid season grades... Points are valid, just premature. Let's see what unfolds in the coming weeks with this brutal schedule.

Most teams suck this year. We just need to suck less . :bng:

We always need to suck less, even in 2009 we had things go our way over talent quite a few times (onside kick, Porters Int). Offensively we were dominant but our Defense was far from and without Sharper rapeinq QBs that season would have looked different. Porter was no interception machine either, 4 that year and never over 2 again.

24 teams are under .501 which is an extremely high rate of suck. NFCS, NFCW, AFCN are all .500 or below.

If you grade us against our peers, which is what happens, we look a lot better than we are. I may be in the minority here but being the shiniest turd in the pile is not a notable achievement because that usually ends with a gloruous wild card spot and a subsequent curb stomping.

Id rather just fade away with a losing team than suffer the emotional roller-coaster of a 2022 play off birth. I mean, if I had emotions lol. :bng:

papz 10-18-2022 08:00 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 961137)
- Andy Dalton had open receivers all game and either couldn't hit them or simply threw the ball away with minimal pressure. He looked Siemian-like out there. Cincy fans were laughing at us saying we got what they had to put up with for years. Dalton is not a playmaker. He's a placeholder.

- Burrow was Joe Burrow. He constantly got rid of the ball in two seconds for those short unguardable three yarders.

- Why wasn't Taysom used in those key short yardage situations like last week against the Seahawks?

- Why not give Shaheed another touch after that explosive jet sweep? Hell, run the exact same play and make them prove they can stop it. Better than the dives picking up two yards in the second half.

- Two more key dropped passes by Kamara who has led the team in dropped passes each of the past two seasons.

- Ingram looked more like his old self. Latavius who?


Whoa whoa whoa...

It's like I don't even know who you are anymore.

AsylumGuido 10-18-2022 08:40 AM

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Several interesting quotes in this article from Allen.


AsylumGuido 10-18-2022 06:26 PM

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For you Tre'Quan "lovers" ... ;)


:bng:

cars4dylan 10-20-2022 07:29 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 961126)
Pete Carmichael is in his 14th :censored: season as the Offensive Coordinator and there are no reasonable excuses for how poorly this offense is performing.

None? Really...none?

I'll give you 3 off the top of my head and the injury report:

WR1 = OUT
WR2 = OUT
WR3 = OUT

Boston Saint 10-20-2022 07:57 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cars4dylan (Post 961260)
None? Really...none?

I'll give you 3 off the top of my head and the injury report:

WR1 = OUT
WR2 = OUT
WR3 = OUT

You can add Kamara missing games and Kamara and Ingram fumbling to that list.

AsylumGuido 10-20-2022 08:24 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cars4dylan (Post 961260)
None? Really...none?

I'll give you 3 off the top of my head and the injury report:

WR1 = OUT
WR2 = OUT
WR3 = OUT

Add QB1, LT, and LG to that list in addition to the aforementioned RB.

AsylumGuido 10-20-2022 08:33 AM

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Interestingly enough, the Saints are currently ranked ...

11th in point per game (23.5)

5th in total yards per game (382.3)

7th in yards rushing per game (151.5)

15th in yards passing per game (230.8)

Just saying.

saintsfan1976 10-20-2022 08:42 AM

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Interesting sure, but doesn't detract from the fact this team is 2-4 and continually failing at different levels throughout each game.

Look I'm optimistic this team can bounce back especially when more impact players return to the lineup.

BUT

We have to win tonight. 2-5 is a hole this team is not capable of exhuming itself from. 3-4, with extra time to heal before playing the next 3 of 4 at home.

Lastly, I think AZ defense is better than pundits give them credit for. It'll be interesting to see who the game plan flows through tonight.

AsylumGuido 10-20-2022 08:54 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 961267)
Interesting sure, but doesn't detract from the fact this team is 2-4 and continually failing at different levels throughout each game.

Look I'm optimistic this team can bounce back especially when more impact players return to the lineup.

BUT

We have to win tonight. 2-5 is a hole this team is not capable of exhuming itself from. 3-4, with extra time to heal before playing the next 3 of 4 at home.

Lastly, I think AZ defense is better than pundits give them credit for. It'll be interesting to see who the game plan flows through tonight.

I would be more concerned if the team was getting blown out, or at least getting beaten convincingly, by its opponents. A penalty here or there and/or a turnover here or there and they could easily be undefeated. With those high impact players present they very well could have overcome those correctible mistakes.

saintsfan1976 10-20-2022 08:56 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 961269)
I would be more concerned if the team was getting blown out, or at least getting beaten convincingly, by its opponents. A penalty here or there and/or a turnover here or there and they could easily be undefeated. With those high impact players present they very well could have overcome those correctible mistakes.

Well. It's now halftime and we had an epic 2 minute collapse. The window is closing and our key players will return just in time to make no difference other than maybe impact Philly's draft stock.

Rell&Gold 10-20-2022 09:36 PM

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Co-DC is dumbest **** ever along with your head coach still calling defensive plays wtf. Safeties playing 5 yards off on 3rd n 5 at the goal line. Malcolm Roach our only DT. We have no QB. NO TE or at least choose not to use them. Poor tackling

Rell&Gold 10-20-2022 09:36 PM

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Lmao

Rell&Gold 10-20-2022 09:37 PM

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Put Taysom in a QB ok I said it gide damn.

Rell&Gold 10-20-2022 09:40 PM

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Put Taysom cut or Trade Trequan. Make Rashid what we wanted Deonte to be. GET A DAMN you trust or utilize the ones we have.

Rell&Gold 10-20-2022 09:41 PM

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Playing it safe down by almost 20 lmao

Rell&Gold 10-20-2022 09:41 PM

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Just so the defense can give up a 80 yard 6 minute drive

Rell&Gold 10-20-2022 09:43 PM

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They continue to put Justin on Hopkins. Another penalty

Rell&Gold 10-20-2022 09:43 PM

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Rather bring up the young guys if nobody else signed them the Saints will

Rell&Gold 10-20-2022 09:55 PM

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Bro even special teams?

Rell&Gold 10-20-2022 09:57 PM

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Just8n Evans o. HOPKINS again the disrespect or Ego of the coaches

Rell&Gold 10-20-2022 09:59 PM

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This team should be blown up after this season. We came up short enough times to finally start over because this transition is reminiscent of Steve Spag another Payton guy

Rell&Gold 10-20-2022 10:00 PM

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To think we could have Jordan Davis rn but no WR was our biggest need

SmashMouth 10-20-2022 10:00 PM

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Why is Rasheeeeeeed not more involved ?

Rell&Gold 10-20-2022 10:01 PM

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Playcalling on both sides

Rell&Gold 10-20-2022 10:03 PM

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Blow it up!

Rell&Gold 10-20-2022 10:03 PM

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Missed holding call

Rell&Gold 10-20-2022 10:06 PM

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Bengals playing avg all year turn their season around with big game against us. Arizona a offense stagnant all year look like they didn't miss a beat against us. Sean Payton was absolutely right we didn't need a WR in the first we needed a DT, LB, CB, LG, TE, A damn Coach

Rell&Gold 10-20-2022 10:07 PM

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Now we use Juwan with 6minites left this team is utterly incompetent

Rell&Gold 10-20-2022 10:08 PM

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Nobody can hold on to the damn football when hit. Team is soft


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