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Boston Saint 10-23-2022 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 961692)
But the 2010 Seahawks beating us in the playoffs didn't matter. They lost in the next round. What mattered is that they didn't make any blockbuster trades or signings where they gave up a lot of draft picks or mortgaged their salary cap for years to come. Then they went on to have great drafts in 2011 and 2012 and the salary cap space to keep their young core together and they won a Superbowl as a young primarily home grown team. All the Seahawks show is that any team can win a weak division but that is unlikely to result in a ring, what results in a ring is focusing more on the future when you are in a situation like that, as the Seahawks did, which got them their ring down the road, instead of trading the draft picks that became Richard Sherman and Russell Wilson to win it all that year as 7-9 division champs.
I was at that game bako. It mattered a HELL of a lot to the 50 plus thousand fans screaming in the stadium.

AsylumGuido 10-23-2022 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 961696)
I was at that game bako. It mattered a HELL of a lot to the 50 plus thousand fans screaming in the stadium.
Exactly! When we win the division this season and host the game the record doesn't matter. We'll be in those stands along with 70,000 others giving it our all, as well! You never know what can happen. It's any given Sunday (or Satruday) even in January or February.

BakoSaint 10-23-2022 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 961696)
I was at that game bako. It mattered a HELL of a lot to the 50 plus thousand fans screaming in the stadium.
It mattered for a week. Then they lost the next week and it didnt matter much anymore. Had the Seahawks went 'all in' that year and made some trades to be more sure of beating us, it could have destroyed their franchise, costing them the upcoming draft picks that became Sherman, Wagner, Wilson, etc and make it hard for them to resign Lynch. They beat us as scrappy underdogs with the same team they had since Week 5 and without giving up major picks or nuking their cap. Had they gone all in like some are suggesting here, they still would not have beat Aaron Rodgers or Ben Roethlisberger in the playoffs that year and they would have nuked the rebuild that got them a ring a couple years later. We are already way more leveraged than that Seahawks team was in cap dollars and traded draft picks. Leveraging ourselves more in the name of their model in insanity. They won while rebuilding, largely with what they had. Thats what I want to do.

BakoSaint 10-23-2022 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 961695)
I'm sure all of your serious focusing is going to get us exactly what we need. Let us know when you've accomplished your goal!

:bng::chug:
And your opinions do make a difference? You got what you wanted so far. We are spending max cap. We moved up in the draft. We still have Dennis Allen. Looks like we have accomplished your goals: 2-5 and denial.

AsylumGuido 10-23-2022 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 961699)
And your opinions do make a difference? You got what you wanted so far. We are spending max cap. We moved up in the draft. We still have Dennis Allen. Looks like we have accomplished your goals: 2-5 and denial.
Nope. My opinions matter no more than yours. Zippo. Nada.

AsylumGuido 10-23-2022 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 961698)
It mattered for a week. Then they lost the next week and it didnt matter much anymore. Had the Seahawks went 'all in' that year and made some trades to be more sure of beating us, it could have destroyed their franchise, costing them the upcoming draft picks that became Sherman, Wagner, Wilson, etc and make it hard for them to resign Lynch. They beat us as scrappy underdogs with the same team they had since Week 5 and without giving up major picks or nuking their cap. Had they gone all in like some are suggesting here, they still would not have beat Aaron Rodgers or Ben Roethlisberger in the playoffs that year and they would have nuked the rebuild that got them a ring a couple years later. We are already way more leveraged than that Seahawks team was in cap dollars and traded draft picks. Leveraging ourselves more in the name of their model in insanity. They won while rebuilding, largely with what they had. Thats what I want to do.
Have you submitted your resume yet? I'm sure it wouldn't take you too long to type one up. Just think, I could say I knew you "way back when" once you got the gig.

:bng: :chug:

Boston Saint 10-23-2022 06:06 PM
Re: Everything Must Go?
 
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Originally Posted by BakoSaint (Post 961698)
It mattered for a week. Then they lost the next week and it didnt matter much anymore. Had the Seahawks went 'all in' that year and made some trades to be more sure of beating us, it could have destroyed their franchise, costing them the upcoming draft picks that became Sherman, Wagner, Wilson, etc and make it hard for them to resign Lynch. They beat us as scrappy underdogs with the same team they had since Week 5 and without giving up major picks or nuking their cap. Had they gone all in like some are suggesting here, they still would not have beat Aaron Rodgers or Ben Roethlisberger in the playoffs that year and they would have nuked the rebuild that got them a ring a couple years later. We are already way more leveraged than that Seahawks team was in cap dollars and traded draft picks. Leveraging ourselves more in the name of their model in insanity. They won while rebuilding, largely with what they had. Thats what I want to do.
No, it matters till this very day. Both Saints fans (some of us anyway) and Seattle fans look back on that day and feelings are rekindled. Just like the SB year matters to me now. I guess I don’t need the Saints to win a championship every year for me to be passionate about them and support them. You do. It’s all good.

papz 10-23-2022 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 961691)
Thirteen teams now get knocked out every year after getting there. But you don't have a chance of winning it all if you don't get there. But you are correct that there is talent there already.
Forever the optimist.

I am, however, a much more pragmatic thinker.

You can’t win the powerball if you don’t buy a ticket. I’m more in line with we bought enough tickets already. Now we’re just blowing wads of money we’re not getting back.

AsylumGuido 10-23-2022 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by papz (Post 961703)
Forever the optimist.

I am, however, a much more pragmatic thinker.

You can’t win the powerball if you don’t buy a ticket. I’m more in line with we bought enough tickets already. Now we’re just blowing wads of money we’re not getting back.
That next ticket could be it, though, papz.

AsylumGuido 10-23-2022 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 961702)
No, it matters till this very day. Both Saints fans (some of us anyway) and Seattle fans look back on that day and feelings are rekindled. Just like the SB year matters to me now. I guess I don’t need the Saints to win a championship every year for me to be passionate about them and support them. You do. It’s all good.
Same here, Boston. I just want to see my Saints play and compete. I watched them for decades before we won it all. I'll do the same now except I get to do it from section 229. I want to see them go all out to win it now because I don't know how long I'll have that opportunity. I don't want a shut it down rebuild.


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