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Not Only that rez, but any team trading for a thomas is taking on a 23 mill cap hit next year AND a 24 mill the year after. That’s for a guy who hasn’t hardly played in 2 years. Who is going to trade assets to take that contract?

It is what it is. Saints have invested in core group of players that are not able to stay on the field. If they can ever get on the field together there is a solid foundation there. We gotta hope so because that’s where we are.

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I’m not on the “blow it all up” train. It’s too much talent.

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Coaching must improve. Game planning, focus & discipline (foolish penalties & turnovers). What does Prime always preach to his student athletes? .."practice with a purpose". IMO losing Ceedy, Malcolm Jenkins (retired) & Marcus Williams was a big deal on defense.

I don't see much chemistry on the back end with Maye & HB.

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Unfortunately, we don't look like we have the killer instinct anymore. It left when Payton retired I guess. DA is too passive. Way too passive! I heard someone recently saying that he's a lieutenant not a general. I think that's a spot on assessment.

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It seems like that leadership Jenkins provided is definitely missed.

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Bet there are Coaches in waiting who would kill for this roster (when healthy)

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Hmmm

I recall being told that despite all the turnover in a single offseason, communication issues wouldn't be a problem...

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Despite all the aforementioned problems, the Saints are still in the hunt for the NFC South... Incredibly!

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DA becoming head coach really ruined a top 5 defense.

The entire defensive backfield have been a severe disappointment.

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Hindsight is 20/20 and letting all those key contributors had more of an effect than any of us thought!

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With all the changes to the defense during the offseason is anybody surprised that we lost continuity? I expected better from the Honey badger to be honest. We are missing Gardner Johnson badly and it shows on the field where we are playing uninspired football. I was not a fan of letting Williams go but I had high hopes for Marcus Maye. I don't know if he's healthy or not but he's not getting the job done when he's out there.

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Agreed. The players brought in simply aren't doing the job and I don't think DA has schemed very well either.

Mathieu just looks lost out there and is making a ton of business decisions when it comes to tackling ball carriers.

I think DA got overconfident with the Belichek mold and thought he could just plug holes with any player. Turns out we had some special young players, that they just let walk.

It started when we let Vonn Bell walk a few years back, just as he appeared to be hitting his stride as a player.

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According to NFL Network, Loomis wants a trade package similar to CMC for Alvin Kamara.

Wonder if any team would bite. It'd be interesting for a team within Super Bowl reach.

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Here come the Rams. I hate it, getting my paper bag ready

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Be sure to cut some holes in that bag to watch the game....or not.:apu:

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Ravens agree to trade for Roquan Smith

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...mith/#comments

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It sucks being salary cap constrained right now. The draft picks I don't have an issue with moving especially if it's a young impactful player. Not being able to re-sign him regulates us to bargin bin shopping.

Thankfully we do have the horses here to compete. We just need to get them healthy and/or coached up properly.

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Mathieu is having a really good season in coverage. How often are you seeing him get caught on or burned deep? The tackling is a problem but I expected that. He’s little as hell and playing out of position. They use him as a FS when he’s really more of Nickel. Adebo and Roby are the real problems. That and missing Marcus Maye for all those games.

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We need a first round pick for a decent QB! Thomas is my choice for a trade!

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Red Rocket is doing well above expectations... he's young enough to stick around until Joe Bureaux comes here as a free agent. :bng:

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The Saints aren’t trading Mike.

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A healthy Mike Thomas makes this team better. Despite everything I would not trade this player. He's a game changing talent for our future QB for the next 2-4 years.

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So, you are willing to take on the millions upon millions of dead cap money to make this happen?

Also, do you think the rest of the league is blind? Who out there do you think will trade a first round pick for Thomas when he's barely been on the field for 3 years and unfortunately doesn't look like he can remain healthy.

I can understand being disappointed in MT13's availability. But folks who want to get rid of him have completely unrealistic expectations. If the Saints are going to move MT13, it would be after June 1, 2023 when the contract shifts from the bonus money dominating to the in season salary dominating and the team can split the remaining dead cap across two years. And no one is going to give up a first round pick for him.

SFIAH

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I'm tired of seeing it. We get it...some of y'all don't like Michael Thomas. It's around $10.5 million in dead money to move him this year. He's barely played. His stock his down. We wouldn't even get the value we desire. There are no great trade pieces on this team right now. Let him get healthy and let's see if we can make a playoff push. If it doesn't work out we can restructure his contract and trade him during the draft so the dead money isn't as bad.

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When we get to next offseason we'll actually see where MT13's head is in terms of the Saints. If he really wants to stay, he'll have to take a pay cut. Not a restructure, but an actual drop in pay. If he's unwilling to negotiate that, then the Saints will trade him after June 1st for whatever they can get and take the $25 million cap hit over 2023 and 2024.

But until then, the player isn't going anywhere. All we can hope is that he gets healthy and can be productive down the stretch.

SFIAH

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I want to believe MT's health and productivity down the stretch are more likely than not.

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More trade news before today's deadline ...

Source: Bears to get Chase Claypool in trade with Steelers

--- > https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...trade-steelers

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Man I just don't get that excited about Claypool...

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Dolphins acquired EDGE Bradley Chubb and a 2025 fifth-round pick from the Broncos in exchange for RB Chase Edmonds, a 2024 fourth-round pick, and San Francisco's 2023 first-round pick.

The Dolphins certainly are going for it, as they've signaled since the Tyreek Hill trade. Chubb will give them another devastating option off the EDGE, and heading into the final year of his rookie contract Adam Schefter reports that Chubb will sign a long-term extension with the Dolphins. Miami has roughly $18 million in free cap space for 2023 per Over The Cap, so they'll likely have to do some re-negotiations to tie all this together. But in the short-term, it's a huge acquisition for the Dolphins' chances of making the playoffs this year.

SOURCE: Adam Schefter on Twitter

Lots of action and good names being moved this year. I think this may be the new norm.

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4:00 can’t come fast enough for me

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I'd kind of like to see us move one or two backups for some day three picks. I would be a seller but not our high value players. I'm thinking we could maybe get something for Callaway or another backup who has shown that they have some capability. We have a few of those on the club. Some of them may not have a future here.

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Calvin Ridley dealt to Jaguars in NFL trade deadline stunner.

Source - > https://nypost.com/2022/11/01/calvin...dline-stunner/

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I am glad that Loomis made golf happen instead of screwing our draft and cap situation further. I wish we would have traded some expensive vets but I am used to us doing the opposite of whatever makes sense, so nothing is a big improvement.

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We should have traded for Hines…

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With Ingram hurt they need some RB help. Was hoping someone could have been picked up. But I guess the right deal never showed. I do think Jordan Howard could be brought up from the practice squad to help. He’s only 27 and should have tread left on his tires.

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Has Abram Smith been blacklisted? :confused:

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That’s a good question. He must have been very unimpressive in camp/preseason. Maybe they will bring up Funk from the practice squad. Would love to see the reaction if he scores a TD!

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From listening & reading reports from Nick & Deuce M all off season/training camp, Abram is a below average pass blocker, not much of a pass catcher (limited tape at Baylor) & has an average "burst".

Needs a ton of work even as a PS candidate.

The Niners brought him in for a "workout" back in September, but decided to sign someone else instead.

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Cheramie will not have to TAKE ON anything. The Prima Donna has not contributed to this team in 3 years.... gone pecan:dunce: