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K Major 10-27-2022 11:50 AM
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In other news ...

The Chiefs make a trade for Toney.

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-gian...9E86vQsb3pYgH0

Juju, Hardman, Scantling, Moore, Toney & an All Pro TE.

Andy Reid knows he'll need more weapons when he faces the Bills again ... probably in the AFC title game & a trip to the Super Bowl.

saintsfan1976 10-27-2022 12:40 PM
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I would go after Bradley Chubb.

Former NC State star. Reunite him with Ryan Nielsen.

shawnkytonk 10-27-2022 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 961901)
I would go after Bradley Chubb.

Former NC State star. Reunite him with Ryan Nielsen.
There's been a great deal of talk this week here in Denver about the team trading him. Maybe Payton Turner and a 3rd?

saintsfan1976 10-27-2022 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by shawnkytonk (Post 961903)
There's been a great deal of talk this week here in Denver about the team trading him. Maybe Payton Turner and a 3rd?
No idea what it would take but I'd rather Chubb than Davenport right now.

saintsfan1976 10-27-2022 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 961889)
Yup. That's exactly what I was saying earlier. I have a feeling there's more to it that isn't public knowledge.

Let's not forget that he was the one that egged Thomas on until he snapped in practice. Yes, he's got an edge we liked, but sometimes those edges slice both ways.
Hmmm.

I recall being told repeatedly to believe the reports that all players and coaches had squashed that beef. Moved on even. Interesting.

AsylumGuido 10-27-2022 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 961907)
Hmmm.

I recall being told repeatedly to believe the reports that all players and coaches had squashed that beef. Moved on even. Interesting.
Now where did I say they hadn't "squashed that beef" and hadn't "moved on"? It was no longer an issue from what I had heard and read from all involved.

But I was using that old example of Gardner-Johnson being an irritant. If he had done it before, whether totally resolved or not, it shows that he can be a distraction. Not saying that's what happened, but stressing that we don't know all that was involved in the decision to move him.

K Major 10-27-2022 01:08 PM
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Speaking of "pass rush" or lack there of ...

Payton Turner. Correct me if I'm wrong but he's been a healthy scratch a couple of times this season.

Our D line needs guys to step up. Cam Jordan can't continue to do it off the edges by himself every week.

saintsfan1976 10-27-2022 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 961913)
Speaking of "pass rush" or lack there of ...

Payton Turner. Correct me if I'm wrong but he's been a healthy scratch a couple of times this season.

Our D line needs guys to step up. Cam Jordan can't continue to do it off the edges by himself every week.
You are correct. No idea what the issue is but if we're talking trade, who would you rather trade - Davenport OR Turner?

AsylumGuido 10-27-2022 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 961913)
Speaking of "pass rush" or lack there of ...

Payton Turner. Correct me if I'm wrong but he's been a healthy scratch a couple of times this season.

Our D line needs guys to step up. Cam Jordan can't continue to do it off the edges by himself every week.
Here's the Saints Injury Reports. Turner hasn't been a healthy scratch once according to the reports.

Turner was active and played weeks 1, 3, and 4. He was inactive weeks 2, 5, 6, and 7, all with a chest injury. Last week was the first time he's even been able to practice at all since week 4 and was limited. Yesterday was the first time he's been a full go in practice since week 4.

It looks like we'll have Turner back this week. Hopefully it pays dividends with the rush.

saintsfan1976 10-27-2022 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 961912)
Now where did I say they hadn't "squashed that beef" and hadn't "moved on"? It was no longer an issue from what I had heard and read from all involved.

But I was using that old example of Gardner-Johnson being an irritant. If he had done it before, whether totally resolved or not, it shows that he can be a distraction. Not saying that's what happened, but stressing that we don't know all that was involved in the decision to move him.
Yeah you did

https://blackandgold.com/saints/1006...tml#post922052

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 921998)
That beef was over by the next week. That type of stuff happens all the time. Both players said there was nothing to it. I think you are the one that needs to "let it go", ST. I think you are making FAR, FAR more out of a simple practice scuffle than ever was there.
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These guys are intense competitors. Tempers can flare. What may piss you off and cause you to hold a grudge is nothing to them. First and foremost they are professionals. Players don't have to like each other personally, but they truly form a brotherhood. I honestly don't get why you have some feeling there is some serious problem there that would interfere with either doing their job. I guarantee you the whole thing never enters their mind any longer. Both have said that and there is no reason not to believe them.

It's like the deal between Brees and Malcolm Jenkins. That was a hundred times more intense and Jenkins stated since that they love each other like brothers and that's all in the past. If they can do it surely Gardner-Johnson and Thomas can over a stupid little camp scuffle.

Oh, and Thomas was not sent home for a week for what happened with Gardner-Johnson. According to Payton he was sent home because got into it with a coach AFTER the incident You need to get your story right, my friend.

;)

K Major 10-27-2022 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 961914)
You are correct. No idea what the issue is but if we're talking trade, who would you rather trade - Davenport OR Turner?
Davenport. Honestly I don't see him on this team after this season. The guy is super disruptive but it's not turning into sacks so far. Underhill mentioned him on his podcast a week or so ago & doesn't think he'll receive an extension.

As for Turner, I don't see any takers for him.

shawnkytonk 10-27-2022 01:23 PM
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I have a friend from Philly that's in my snowboarding group text. He just said he's seeing rumors of AK41 being traded to Philly. Anyone else heard or seen this? I'll see if I can get a link from him.

saintsfan1976 10-27-2022 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 961915)
Here's the Saints Injury Reports. Turner hasn't been a healthy scratch once according to the reports.

Turner was active and played weeks 1, 3, and 4. He was inactive weeks 2, 5, 6, and 7, all with a chest injury. Last week was the first time he's even been able to practice at all since week 4 and was limited. Yesterday was the first time he's been a full go in practice since week 4.

It looks like we'll have Turner back this week. Hopefully it pays dividends with the rush.
https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_ro...6cdce3682.html

Scratch week one.

saintsfan1976 10-27-2022 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 961918)
Davenport. Honestly I don't see him on this team after this season. The guy is super disruptive but it's not turning into sacks so far. Underhill mentioned him on his podcast a week or so ago & doesn't think he'll receive an extension.

As for Turner, I don't see any takers for him.
That's my thought.
Davenport - you know what you've got.
Turner - you believe you can get more.

Still, getting Chubb could be an upgrade. Guess we'll see how Sunday plays out first.

papz 10-27-2022 01:25 PM
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Eagles interested in Kamara

Link fixed.

saintsfan1976 10-27-2022 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by papz (Post 961922)
That would all but guarantee a rebuild. Has to be a first and third, at least right????

shawnkytonk 10-27-2022 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by papz (Post 961922)
Link isn't working for me.

rezburna 10-27-2022 01:28 PM
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I wish they would do that dumb ****.

shawnkytonk 10-27-2022 01:31 PM
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It was Safari. Working on Chrome.

K Major 10-27-2022 01:43 PM
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Can't the Eagles just leave us alone ?!

But hell, I can't even blame Philly's GM (Howie)for making the call.

That team wants another ring.

Financial speaking, the cap hit would be ridiculous.

AsylumGuido 10-27-2022 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 961917)
You are just supporting what I am saying. I was giving an example of Gardner-Johnson's ability to cause trouble. I said there was an incident that was started by Gardner-Johnson. Now exactly where in this post today did I say there was still an issue with that old incident?

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 961889)
Yup. That's exactly what I was saying earlier. I have a feeling there's more to it that isn't public knowledge.

Let's not forget that he was the one that egged Thomas on until he snapped in practice. Yes, he's got an edge we liked, but sometimes those edges slice both ways.

AsylumGuido 10-27-2022 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 961920)
I stand corrected. He wasn't on the injury report in week two, but has been listed with the chest injury every other inactive week.

AsylumGuido 10-27-2022 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 961929)
Can't the Eagles just leave us alone ?!

But hell, I can't even blame Philly's GM (Howie)for making the call.

That team wants another ring.

Financial speaking, the cap hit would be ridiculous.
Yup. Exactly how does eating over $25M in dead cap over the next two years help the Saints financially?

K Major 10-27-2022 02:52 PM
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Akers is done. Waste of a roster space.
At the age of 23? I'm no accountant however he wouldn't cost (conditional pick at best) a whole lot & we don't have much behind Kamara.

IMO Mark is running on fumes. Not a lot of productivity anymore & he's fumbling. Akers could lighten up the load & get a lot more touches than what he's getting out in LA.

Not to mention AK still has legal issues.

And I agree with the others, we could really use more DLine/pass rush help. We'll see.

shawnkytonk 10-27-2022 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 961938)
At the age of 23? I'm no accountant however he wouldn't cost (conditional pick at best) a whole lot & we don't have much behind Kamara.

IMO Mark is running on fumes. Not a lot of productivity anymore & he's fumbling. Akers could lighten up the load & get a lot more touches than what he's getting out in LA.

Not to mention AK still has legal issues.

And I agree with the others, we could really use more DLine/pass rush help. We'll see.
He tore his Achilles in preseason last year. He came back in record time before the end of the season last year, and looked horrible then and in his limited play this season. I doubt the Rams find a trading partner, and wouldn't be surprised if he ever plays a meaningful down in the NFL again. I guess we'll have to see how it plays out.

AsylumGuido 10-27-2022 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by shawnkytonk (Post 961940)
He tore his Achilles in preseason last year. He came back in record time before the end of the season last year, and looked horrible then and in his limited play this season. I doubt the Rams find a trading partner, and wouldn't be surprised if he ever plays a meaningful down in the NFL again. I guess we'll have to see how it plays out.
Yup. He's started seven games over his two and a half year career. He's averaged under three yards per carry over the past two seasons. He had a promising start in the second half of 2020 and the playoffs, but hasn't done anything of note since then. It not looking real promising.

K Major 10-27-2022 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by shawnkytonk (Post 961940)
He tore his Achilles in preseason last year. He came back in record time before the end of the season last year, and looked horrible then and in his limited play this season. I doubt the Rams find a trading partner, and wouldn't be surprised if he ever plays a meaningful down in the NFL again. I guess we'll have to see how it plays out.
Wow. But is it Cam or McVay? Rushed back to play perhaps?

If I had a choice, I'd take a flyer on a player a decade younger than Ingram. For a 6th or 7th round pick ? ... I would.

At the end of the day, I'm just a couch coach so what the hell do I know :rolleyes:.

shawnkytonk 10-27-2022 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 961944)
Wow. But is it Cam or McVay? Rushed back to play perhaps?

If I had a choice, I'd take a flyer on a player a decade younger than Ingram. For a 6th or 7th round pick ? ... I would.

At the end of the day, I'm just a couch coach so what the hell do I know :rolleyes:.
I have a feeling if that's all they wanted, he would have been traded by now. But I'm in the same boat as you as far as being a couch coach.

AsylumGuido 10-27-2022 03:42 PM
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I have a feeling if that's all they wanted, he would have been traded by now. But I'm in the same boat as you as far as being a couch coach.
I have a feeling they'd jump all over a 7th but haven't gotten the interest. They may end up releasing him after the deadline if nobody bites.

halloween 65 10-27-2022 04:50 PM
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I would pick up Tevin Coleman,now, I would also like to see Akers in a Saints uniform. I'm still saying trade Kamara for picks, he's gonna be out for at least 6 games next season anyway. Use those picks on a qb and a real TE

nola_swammi 10-27-2022 05:46 PM
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If you think you’re getting a #1 pick for AK you’re dreaming. Trading AK don’t make sense. You’re not getting a qb for AK, then you’re putting us behind the 8 ball cuz then we will need a qb and rb. With the chance of him being suspended only decrease his value in a trade. No more robberies, Chauncey Gardner is enough. Time for Loomis to try to commit some robberies and stop trading draft picks. Go get a real coach to help build this team back to prominence

halloween 65 10-27-2022 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by nola_swammi (Post 961958)
If you think you’re getting a #1 pick for AK you’re dreaming. Trading AK don’t make sense. You’re not getting a qb for AK, then you’re putting us behind the 8 ball cuz then we will need a qb and rb. With the chance of him being suspended only decrease his value in a trade. No more robberies, Chauncey Gardner is enough. Time for Loomis to try to commit some robberies and stop trading draft picks. Go get a real coach to help build this team back to prominence
I do think we get a 1st for him.

rezburna 10-27-2022 07:03 PM
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From what I seen the Eagles only offered a 3rd for McCaffrey…and I think CMC is better.

shawnkytonk 10-27-2022 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by nola_swammi (Post 961958)
If you think you’re getting a #1 pick for AK you’re dreaming. Trading AK don’t make sense. You’re not getting a qb for AK, then you’re putting us behind the 8 ball cuz then we will need a qb and rb. With the chance of him being suspended only decrease his value in a trade. No more robberies, Chauncey Gardner is enough. Time for Loomis to try to commit some robberies and stop trading draft picks. Go get a real coach to help build this team back to prominence
Absolutely! RBs don't get traded for a 1st. CMC went for a 2nd and 3rd. Last time a RB went for a 1st was Trent Richardson like in his 2nd or 3rd year. We see how that turned out.

halloween 65 10-27-2022 09:06 PM
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Absolutely! RBs don't get traded for a 1st. CMC went for a 2nd and 3rd. Last time a RB went for a 1st was Trent Richardson like in his 2nd or 3rd year. We see how that turned out.
CMC went for 4 picks a 2nd, 3rd and 4th for 2023 and a 5th for 2024. That would easily be a 1st and a 6th.

nola_swammi 10-28-2022 04:22 AM
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I truly believe that eagles GM is toying with Loomis. Why not offer a trade for Swift instead, younger and just as talented. Why toy with Loomis you might ask, make that 1st rd pick we traded away more valuable cuz the likely of us winning w/o Kamara is almost zero. If he able to swindle a deal, he most likely offering a conditional 3rd with incentives that are most likely to stay a 3rd. Remember, they have a healthy Sanders. That eagles GM is a masterful robber. Without a mindful coach that know how steer this ship around, loomis will be more incline to eat the cheese and sink our team. A coach will discuss the variables (pros & cons). Dennis Allen on the other hand will be a yes man and let you shoot yourself in the foot.

Unless you able to get our 1st rd pick back this is a NO TRADE. No 2nd rd pick or eagles 1st rd pick swap with our 2nd rd pick trading Kamara. DON’T EAT THE CHEESE.

Cruize 10-28-2022 10:20 AM
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There's lots of players who have underperformed, aren't worth their salaries, and have often been injured. I fear Thomas will never show up or be worthy of his money again. Questionable at best attitude and now two bad ankles. Peat is talented and versatile but he hasn't nor will he ever be able to get healthy. Davenport will always be a tease at best. All the measurables. Injuries and no production. Onyemata makes no impact. Turner was just a bad pick. Badger is a cover guy on the downside. Landry just doesn't have it anymore. All this is known and it take some desperately over paying to get any value in return for any of these guys. The most glaring needs are at DT and Safety. The safety play has been atrocious. The CGJ not being a Saint this year was a failure of management. I see the Saints going with what they have and cutting bait with some of the bad salaries and playing a Rookie QB next year. Their being cheap for 3 years with offset the cap hits of moving on from Thomas and Peat. Allen might get another year but I doubt it.

Boston Saint 10-28-2022 10:24 AM
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It’s been mentioned, but quite a few players are untradeable for all practical purposes. That’s due to future dead money. Latt, Kamara, Ram, Thomas CAN’T NOT be on the team for a few years. It cripples the team in dead money plus no team is gonna trade for their contracts. At least not and offer fair trade value.

NOLA54 10-28-2022 12:04 PM
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I'm not in favor of gutting the roster. It's time to let Michael Thomas go. We've been stuck in neutral with him. It's time to move on from him. Anyone who looks like they are not engaged should go too.
Sean didn't do us any favors by 1. Leaving and 2. Not drafting Drew's replacement.

rezburna 10-28-2022 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by NOLA54 (Post 962001)
I'm not in favor of gutting the roster. It's time to let Michael Thomas go. We've been stuck in neutral with him. It's time to move on from him. Anyone who looks like they are not engaged should go too.
Sean didn't do us any favors by 1. Leaving and 2. Not drafting Drew's replacement.
I think getting rid of MT results in $38 million in dead cap.


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