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TheOak 10-28-2022 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 961881)
This is what I am saying. Winston has yet to be given that opportunity to get into that rhythm while healthy with the Saints. I'm not saying he'll be the answer, but what if he surprises us with that opportunity? He's still young enough to start for ten years. There's no promise any QB coming out next year would be any better. Dalton is approaching the final leg of his career and definitely wouldn't be a long term answer.

No that is not what you were saying, I gave you opportunity to clarify and you didn't go there, are you injured? At least Bako has the character to own his ideas, talking to you is like talking to a White House Press Secretary.


"Given opportunity", is the entire faulty premise you have built this BS argument on. Unless you mean by his Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, the team and coaches have given him multiple opportunities and he has not surprised anyone with any of them.

darksoul35 10-28-2022 07:24 AM

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The QB posting this draft is good and we gave our 1st to a team that's undefeated.

halloween 65 10-28-2022 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by darksoul35 (Post 961983)
The QB posting this draft is good and we gave our 1st to a team that's undefeated.

Yeah, seems like it's a trend now. And now the Saints are on the clock and every team and everyone on draft day knows they give up at least 2 picks for every player they get. The reason given:( Because we're so stacked at the "said" position(s) we can afford it and don't need that pick.) Well ladies and gents we're really not as stacked as (some here) and the Saints organization has made it out to believe. Those 2 for 1 deals haven't produced not 1( and I mean not 1) player that is setting any records( sacks, int's, ypc) nothing. Only( and I mean only) time a 2 for 1 deal should be made is for an elite dominate player that's off the chart good. There plenty of player on draft day that don't go with 2 picks that excel in the NFL. On draft day I always cringe just knowing what Payton and now Allen is going to give up. It all comes down now is to how much?

Boston Saint 10-28-2022 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by darksoul35 (Post 961983)
The QB posting this draft is good and we gave our 1st to a team that's undefeated.

You mean we used the pick on the best WR in the 2022 draft

rezburna 10-28-2022 08:47 AM

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Get a win this weekend and we’re right back in the battle for 1st place. The division is there for the taking. Hopefully this decision doesn’t keep us from making a run.

K Major 10-28-2022 08:50 AM

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The division is definitely up for grabs.

But we gotta start winning games.

Side note - Tampa may have lost their top pass rusher on last night - Shaq Barrett - possibly a torn Achilles. That would sting.

mapcow 10-28-2022 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 961886)
No one outside of the facility knows the real severity of his injury but turf toe can sideline most athletes for MONTHS if not the season.

A good friend of ours (played at Georgia & later with the Giants) was telling us some horror stories about his TT. So many ligaments involved, so many moving parts, then boom it rears it's ugly head again.

I'd be shocked to see Michael on the field anytime soon in 2022.

Even more reason to have gotten rid of the prima donna... all he has done so far is take money, and take a viable player/roster position. Great Gig... sit the bench and get rich.:dunce:

Rugby Saint II 10-28-2022 02:23 PM

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When I tossed a coin it came up Dalton.

saintsfan1976 10-28-2022 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 961986)
Get a win this weekend and we’re right back in the battle for 1st place. The division is there for the taking. Hopefully this decision doesn’t keep us from making a run.

Just my opinion but I doubt Dalton will be the primary reason for a loss.

BakoSaint 10-28-2022 11:39 PM

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I think Payton might have been able to fix Winston if he had the oline and weapons to keep Winston safe while he settled in. But Loomis busted the cap and Payton peaced out knowing he would lose Armstead and have to rely on Peat and have no proven healthy wide receivers. So Mr. .250 DC took over as head coach and the difficult project of fixing Winston went to a defensive coach who was a reclamation project himself with makeshift oline and ‘now you see me, now you don’t’ receivers. So not too surprisingly Winston struggled. I don’t think we have the environment to fix him and probably he will never be fixed. For us, Dalton is probably the more finished product we need but who knows, maybe Allen can break Dalton too. I don’t blame Michael Thomas too much. I don’t think he wanted to become Victor Cruz. He just did. But then again Tiger Woods was hurt for years and came back to win. Maybe one day Michael Thomas will be healthy enough to play golf too.

Boston Saint 11-04-2022 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 961888)
There are three grades of turf toe injury. Grade one has a short 2-3 week turnaround. Grade two is 4-6 weeks. Neither of these require surgery. Grade three requires surgery and is the one that can end a season unless is occurs early. The latter is what Penning had and he's supposed getting close to being able to begin practice.

If Thomas had anything more severe than grade two he would have been placed on IR. I'd be shocked if he doesn't return within the next couple of weeks.

I guess Guido is shocked right now !

Sinner 11-04-2022 04:44 PM

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Keep protecting Dalton, he looks cooler under pressure, and with the pressure even cooler, he looks even cooler. Keep dialing up some Taysom surprises in the right dosage (even a few passes), play-makers keep making plays, DEFENSE NEEDS TO STAY HOT... and we just might be onto a winning streak.

Boston Saint 11-04-2022 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Sinner (Post 962493)
Keep protecting Dalton, he looks cooler under pressure, and with the pressure even cooler, he looks even cooler. Keep dialing up some Taysom surprises in the right dosage (even a few passes), play-makers keep making plays, DEFENSE NEEDS TO STAY HOT... and we just might be onto a winning streak.

The line blocks (both run and pass) like they did against the Raiders and we got a good chance.

dizzle88 11-05-2022 07:16 AM

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Run Taysom towards the side of Marcus Peters. He wants no part in tackling, kind of like Mathieu.

AsylumGuido 11-05-2022 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 962492)
I guess Guido is shocked right now !

Nope. Not shocked at all. Should I be?

subguy 11-06-2022 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 962525)
Nope. Not shocked at all. Should I be?

Whatever dude! You are hopeless. You have been given so many chances to redeem yourself, but you refuse

QBREES9 11-06-2022 07:07 AM

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NO more Winston. That ship has sailed.

vpheughan 11-07-2022 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 962525)
Nope. Not shocked at all. Should I be?

So Predictable!!

"THE GUIDO SHUFFLE" :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

1. Chastise posters for what they write because you don't agree.

REMEMBER?

"...... Also, a large percentage are gullible in what they read is FACT ... sadly."

2. Turn around and do exactly what you tell others not to do.

Original Posts By: AsylumGuido

"If Thomas had anything more severe than grade two he would have been placed on IR. I'd be shocked if he doesn't return within the next couple of weeks."

"Not shocked at all." Should I be?" (SEE #3 )

3. DENY, DENY, DENY. :whatever:

voodooido 11-07-2022 11:13 PM

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It’s obvious Dalton is the best QB on the team. That’s not saying much at this point. Maybe draft one or pick up Daniel jones, JG or Max Jones in the off-season.

nola_swammi 11-07-2022 11:35 PM

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This just reminds me we had a chance to draft Lamar but we chose Davenport.

AsylumGuido 11-09-2022 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by vpheughan (Post 962690)
So Predictable!!

"THE GUIDO SHUFFLE" :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

1. Chastise posters for what they write because you don't agree.

REMEMBER?

"...... Also, a large percentage are gullible in what they read is FACT ... sadly."

2. Turn around and do exactly what you tell others not to do.

Original Posts By: AsylumGuido

"If Thomas had anything more severe than grade two he would have been placed on IR. I'd be shocked if he doesn't return within the next couple of weeks."

"Not shocked at all." Should I be?" (SEE #3 )

3. DENY, DENY, DENY. :whatever:

You are one very odd individual.

I was not shocked for a couple of reasons. First, after 65 years on this planet nothing truly shocks me anymore, regardless of using the literary phrase. Second, the fact that they finally DID place him on IR while sharing the fact that he had dislocated the toe instead of suffering a more mild injury implied earlier changed the parameters and made the decision clearer.


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