Week Eight QB Debate

WW_Who_Dat · 10-27-2022, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

No one outside of the facility knows the real severity of his injury but turf toe can sideline most athletes for MONTHS if not the season.

A good friend of ours (played at Georgia & later with the Giants) was telling us some horror stories about his TT. So many ligaments involved, so many moving parts, then boom it rears it's ugly head again.

I'd be shocked to see Michael on the field anytime soon in 2022.

How about a heavy dose of Rashid as the #2 K.

K Major · 10-27-2022, 11:38 AM

Lol, whatever. Could care less what he "thinks" and reports on Twitter. Chris is no doctor, has no crystal ball & has no clue how MT body is responding at walk-throughs or at practice.

Mike will suit up & play when he's healthy.

Period.

K Major · 10-27-2022, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat

How about a heavy dose of Rashid as the #2 K.

FACTS. Tell me this Who Dat ... on two touches, Rashid has 2 TDs & averages over 40 yards per catch. Any reason why we aren't getting playmakers more involved?

Same goes for Taysom Hill. I just don't understand why Pete is not playing these guys more in 2nd half of games.

Utilize them like Patterson & Debo. Shaheed could be the truth but we won't know unless he gets more targets.

The offensive game plan needs to change & become more creative.

INSANITY

But I digress ...

Boston Saint · 10-27-2022, 12:03 PM

I have really gone back-and-forth about this. I realize I’ve always believed Winston could stand up and do the job. For various reasons, it hasn’t worked out. Maybe he isn’t good enough; Maybe he is and injuries/Coaching/talent around him has held him back.

Dalton is what he is. A decent Flaco/Ryan/Carr type QB who can do most everything you need, but is gonna make mistakes. That’s when healthy.

Hill is awesome when used in the multiple role. I really don’t think he is the guy to “start” at QB. He of the group is least able to go through progressions and be a capable passer. I realize his running makes him dangerous, but he won’t stay healthy taking every snap at QB IMO.

But, to give the best chance to win this next game, I would go with Dalton.

Crusader · 10-27-2022, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

FACTS. Tell me this Who Dat ... on two touches, Rashid has 2 TDs & averages over 40 yards per catch. Any reason why we aren't getting playmakers more involved?

I believe that he has just no wshown that skill and explosiveness on the field during games but might still be limited in playbook knowledge, routs he can run etc.
With that said in the coming weeks I would expect the coaches to put him in packages for 15-20 plays per game where he has a great chance to contribute with that big play ability.

saintsfan1976 · 10-27-2022, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

This is what I am saying. Winston has yet to be given that opportunity to get into that rhythm while healthy with the Saints. I'm not saying he'll be the answer, but what if he surprises us with that opportunity? He's still young enough to start for ten years. There's no promise any QB coming out next year would be any better. Dalton is approaching the final leg of his career and definitely wouldn't be a long term answer.

Dalton has proven to be better than Jameis at things that matter most - reading defenses, quicker releases, running the offense overall. At least he has so far THIS season.

Yes there were 3 picks last game but two and maybe even one was really his fault.

At this point, I 'aint interested in "fair", I want wins.

saintsfan1976 · 10-27-2022, 12:28 PM

There was a seven year stretch in New Orleans where Drew Brees AVERAGED 15 interceptions per season.

I think we can stomach a few errant throws from Dalton. As long as they're not of the variety we saw last Thursday.

K Major · 10-27-2022, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

At this point, I 'aint interested in "fair", I want wins.

AsylumGuido · 10-27-2022, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Dalton has proven to be better than Jameis at things that matter most - reading defenses, quicker releases, running the offense overall. At least he has so far THIS season.

Yes there were 3 picks last game but two and maybe even one was really his fault.

At this point, I 'aint interested in "fair", I want wins.

You need to check out the excellent film study of Dalton in that game done by Kurt Warner that I believe neugey posted a couple of days ago. All three picks were his fault. The one off Callaway's facemask was thrown way too early in the route. According to Warner the route required Callaway to continue to the far hash before expecting the throw. Dalton delivered it soon after the cut and about five yards to soon. The throw was in Callaway's face before he hardly got his head turned.

The one in the end zone was caused by hesitation by Dalton. Warner pointed out that he did a "hitch" before releasing the ball that gave the coverage time to get there. This wasn't a hatchet job either by Warner. He said he likes Dalton, but they were all his fault in that game.

Here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mr7nZjf9I6w

saintsfan1976 · 10-27-2022, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

You need to check out the excellent film study of Dalton in that game done by Kurt Warner that I believe neugey posted a couple of days ago. All three picks were his fault. The one off Callaway's facemask was thrown way too early in the route. According to Warner the route required Callaway to continue to the far hash before expecting the throw. Dalton delivered it soon after the cut and about five yards to soon. The throw was in Callaway's face before he hardly got his head turned.

The one in the end zone was caused by hesitation by Dalton. Warner pointed out that he did a "hitch" before releasing the ball that gave the coverage time to get there. This wasn't a hatchet job either by Warner. He said he likes Dalton, but they were all his fault in that game.

No I don't. Unless Warner was in the huddle.

10-27-2022, 11:34 AM	#51
WW_Who_Dat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lafayette, La and Valencia CA Posts: 1,164 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Week Eight QB Debate Originally Posted by K Major No one outside of the facility knows the real severity of his injury but turf toe can sideline most athletes for MONTHS if not the season. A good friend of ours (played at Georgia & later with the Giants) was telling us some horror stories about his TT. So many ligaments involved, so many moving parts, then boom it rears it's ugly head again. I'd be shocked to see Michael on the field anytime soon in 2022. How about a heavy dose of Rashid as the #2 K. K Major likes this.

10-27-2022, 11:38 AM	#52
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,041 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Week Eight QB Debate Lol, whatever. Could care less what he "thinks" and reports on Twitter. Chris is no doctor, has no crystal ball & has no clue how MT body is responding at walk-throughs or at practice. Mike will suit up & play when he's healthy. Period. subguy, iceshack149 and Big_L like this.

10-27-2022, 11:45 AM	#53
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,041 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Week Eight QB Debate Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat How about a heavy dose of Rashid as the #2 K. FACTS. Tell me this Who Dat ... on two touches, Rashid has 2 TDs & averages over 40 yards per catch. Any reason why we aren't getting playmakers more involved? Same goes for Taysom Hill. I just don't understand why Pete is not playing these guys more in 2nd half of games. Utilize them like Patterson & Debo. Shaheed could be the truth but we won't know unless he gets more targets. The offensive game plan needs to change & become more creative. INSANITY But I digress ... iceshack149, Rugby Saint II and shawnkytonk like this.

10-27-2022, 12:03 PM	#54
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,874	Re: Week Eight QB Debate I have really gone back-and-forth about this. I realize I’ve always believed Winston could stand up and do the job. For various reasons, it hasn’t worked out. Maybe he isn’t good enough; Maybe he is and injuries/Coaching/talent around him has held him back. Dalton is what he is. A decent Flaco/Ryan/Carr type QB who can do most everything you need, but is gonna make mistakes. That’s when healthy. Hill is awesome when used in the multiple role. I really don’t think he is the guy to “start” at QB. He of the group is least able to go through progressions and be a capable passer. I realize his running makes him dangerous, but he won’t stay healthy taking every snap at QB IMO. But, to give the best chance to win this next game, I would go with Dalton. saintsfan1976 likes this.
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10-27-2022, 12:07 PM	#55
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 7,985	Re: Week Eight QB Debate Originally Posted by K Major FACTS. Tell me this Who Dat ... on two touches, Rashid has 2 TDs & averages over 40 yards per catch. Any reason why we aren't getting playmakers more involved? I believe that he has just no wshown that skill and explosiveness on the field during games but might still be limited in playbook knowledge, routs he can run etc. With that said in the coming weeks I would expect the coaches to put him in packages for 15-20 plays per game where he has a great chance to contribute with that big play ability. Rugby Saint II likes this.

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10-27-2022, 12:23 PM	#56
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,537 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Week Eight QB Debate Originally Posted by AsylumGuido This is what I am saying. Winston has yet to be given that opportunity to get into that rhythm while healthy with the Saints. I'm not saying he'll be the answer, but what if he surprises us with that opportunity? He's still young enough to start for ten years. There's no promise any QB coming out next year would be any better. Dalton is approaching the final leg of his career and definitely wouldn't be a long term answer. Dalton has proven to be better than Jameis at things that matter most - reading defenses, quicker releases, running the offense overall. At least he has so far THIS season. Yes there were 3 picks last game but two and maybe even one was really his fault. At this point, I 'aint interested in "fair", I want wins. K Major likes this.

10-27-2022, 12:28 PM	#57
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,537 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Week Eight QB Debate There was a seven year stretch in New Orleans where Drew Brees AVERAGED 15 interceptions per season. I think we can stomach a few errant throws from Dalton. As long as they're not of the variety we saw last Thursday. AsylumGuido likes this.

10-27-2022, 12:36 PM	#58
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,041 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Week Eight QB Debate Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 At this point, I 'aint interested in "fair", I want wins.

10-27-2022, 12:50 PM	#60
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,537 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Week Eight QB Debate Originally Posted by AsylumGuido You need to check out the excellent film study of Dalton in that game done by Kurt Warner that I believe neugey posted a couple of days ago. All three picks were his fault. The one off Callaway's facemask was thrown way too early in the route. According to Warner the route required Callaway to continue to the far hash before expecting the throw. Dalton delivered it soon after the cut and about five yards to soon. The throw was in Callaway's face before he hardly got his head turned. The one in the end zone was caused by hesitation by Dalton. Warner pointed out that he did a "hitch" before releasing the ball that gave the coverage time to get there. This wasn't a hatchet job either by Warner. He said he likes Dalton, but they were all his fault in that game. No I don't. Unless Warner was in the huddle. K Major likes this.