Week Eight QB Debate

saintsfan1976 · 10-27-2022, 01:00 PM

So, not in the huddle with them that game?

AsylumGuido · 10-27-2022, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

So, not in the huddle with them that game?

He might as well HAVE been in the huddle with them. There are only so many routes and virtually every team runs the same ones. He demonstrates exactly when and where the pass should have been delivered to Callaway. He also points out on the same play that there was a receiver wide open down in the right flat that should have been the read anyway. So Dalton really made two bad decisions on that play. First, choosing the wrong read and second, throwing off timing on the route he did settle on.

Although, I really don't know why I am explaining what the film study shows when anyone that actually watches it can see what he is talking about.

Big_L · 10-27-2022, 01:02 PM

What I have noticed is some fans will mitigate or cast blame elsewhere for some QB mistakes by Dalton that they will absolutely crucify Winston for. I wonder why. Also, the whole “maybe he doesn’t understand the playbook” go to is played out. The only difference from team to team is essentially terminology.

K Major · 10-27-2022, 01:04 PM

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saintsfan1976 · 10-27-2022, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by Big_L

What I have noticed is some fans will mitigate or cast blame elsewhere for some QB mistakes by Dalton that they will absolutely crucify Winston for. I wonder why. Also, the whole “maybe he doesn’t understand the playbook” go to is played out. The only difference from team to team is essentially terminology.

Welcome aboard Big L!

AsylumGuido · 10-27-2022, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by Big_L

What I have noticed is some fans will mitigate or cast blame elsewhere for some QB mistakes by Dalton that they will absolutely crucify Winston for. I wonder why. Also, the whole “maybe he doesn’t understand the playbook” go to is played out. The only difference from team to team is essentially terminology.

One would logically deduce that the difference may be something besides their on field performance then, you think?

And welcome aboard, Big_L!

papz · 10-27-2022, 02:31 PM

The one off Callaway's facemask was thrown way too early in the route. According to Warner the route required Callaway to continue to the far hash before expecting the throw. Dalton delivered it soon after the cut and about five yards to soon. The throw was in Callaway's face before he hardly got his head turned.

There's a reason why Kurt Warner started with "My opinion" when broke that play down.

Should he have gone to the flat? Maybe. We have no idea who his first read was on that play. It's just a guess. Was Dalton's timing off? That's just an educated guess as well. The fact of the matter is Callaway was open and should have caught the ball.

AsylumGuido · 10-27-2022, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by papz

There's a reason why Kurt Warner started with "My opinion" when broke that play down.

Should he have gone to the flat? Maybe. We have no idea who his first read was on that play. It's just a guess. Was Dalton's timing off? That's just an educated guess as well. The fact of the matter is Callaway was open and should have caught the ball.

One would think the opinion of a HOF NFL QB would carry a little weight. But, yes, Warner even points out that Callaway could have possibly caught the ball.

That doesn't change the fact that the ball (according to Warner) should not have been delivered until he was approaching the other hash as the route is routinely designed. Instead of Callaway possibly catching the ball with his hands instead his face, perhaps he could have made a better attempt had he known when and where it was coming.

papz · 10-27-2022, 03:10 PM

It absolutely does carry weight and I like these breakdowns that he does. It's very informative and educational. But at the end of the day, it's an opinion. Just because he ran certainly plays a certain way when he was playing, it doesn't make it universal to every team.

AsylumGuido · 10-27-2022, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by papz

It absolutely does carry weight and I like these breakdowns that he does. It's very informative and educational. But at the end of the day, it's an opinion. Just because he ran certainly plays a certain way when he was playing, it doesn't make it universal to every team.

I don't know. I have heard so many times that all teams run the same basic plays and it comes down to when they are used, how efficiently they are used, and with what personnel that makes them successful. There's different terminology, but the plays themselves and the concepts remain the same. I thought he had described this play as one of those basic ones and that's why Callaway wasn't even looking back for the ball yet.

10-27-2022, 01:00 PM	#1
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10-27-2022, 02:15 PM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,762	Re: Week Eight QB Debate Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 So, not in the huddle with them that game? He might as well HAVE been in the huddle with them. There are only so many routes and virtually every team runs the same ones. He demonstrates exactly when and where the pass should have been delivered to Callaway. He also points out on the same play that there was a receiver wide open down in the right flat that should have been the read anyway. So Dalton really made two bad decisions on that play. First, choosing the wrong read and second, throwing off timing on the route he did settle on. Although, I really don't know why I am explaining what the film study shows when anyone that actually watches it can see what he is talking about.
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10-27-2022, 01:02 PM	#3
Big_L Registered Join Date: Oct 2022 Posts: 36	Re: Week Eight QB Debate What I have noticed is some fans will mitigate or cast blame elsewhere for some QB mistakes by Dalton that they will absolutely crucify Winston for. I wonder why. Also, the whole “maybe he doesn’t understand the playbook” go to is played out. The only difference from team to team is essentially terminology. leilung, AsylumGuido, SmashMouth and 1 others like this.
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10-27-2022, 01:04 PM	#4
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10-27-2022, 01:05 PM	#5
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,056 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Week Eight QB Debate Originally Posted by Big_L What I have noticed is some fans will mitigate or cast blame elsewhere for some QB mistakes by Dalton that they will absolutely crucify Winston for. I wonder why. Also, the whole “maybe he doesn’t understand the playbook” go to is played out. The only difference from team to team is essentially terminology. Welcome aboard Big L! SmashMouth and K Major like this.

10-27-2022, 01:39 PM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,762	Re: Week Eight QB Debate Originally Posted by Big_L What I have noticed is some fans will mitigate or cast blame elsewhere for some QB mistakes by Dalton that they will absolutely crucify Winston for. I wonder why. Also, the whole “maybe he doesn’t understand the playbook” go to is played out. The only difference from team to team is essentially terminology. One would logically deduce that the difference may be something besides their on field performance then, you think? And welcome aboard, Big_L! SmashMouth likes this.

10-27-2022, 02:31 PM	#7
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,797	Re: Week Eight QB Debate The one off Callaway's facemask was thrown way too early in the route. According to Warner the route required Callaway to continue to the far hash before expecting the throw. Dalton delivered it soon after the cut and about five yards to soon. The throw was in Callaway's face before he hardly got his head turned. There's a reason why Kurt Warner started with "My opinion" when broke that play down. Should he have gone to the flat? Maybe. We have no idea who his first read was on that play. It's just a guess. Was Dalton's timing off? That's just an educated guess as well. The fact of the matter is Callaway was open and should have caught the ball. leilung, saintsfan1976, SmashMouth and 3 others like this.

10-27-2022, 02:49 PM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,762	Re: Week Eight QB Debate Originally Posted by papz There's a reason why Kurt Warner started with "My opinion" when broke that play down. Should he have gone to the flat? Maybe. We have no idea who his first read was on that play. It's just a guess. Was Dalton's timing off? That's just an educated guess as well. The fact of the matter is Callaway was open and should have caught the ball. One would think the opinion of a HOF NFL QB would carry a little weight. But, yes, Warner even points out that Callaway could have possibly caught the ball. That doesn't change the fact that the ball (according to Warner) should not have been delivered until he was approaching the other hash as the route is routinely designed. Instead of Callaway possibly catching the ball with his hands instead his face, perhaps he could have made a better attempt had he known when and where it was coming.

10-27-2022, 03:10 PM	#9
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,797	Re: Week Eight QB Debate It absolutely does carry weight and I like these breakdowns that he does. It's very informative and educational. But at the end of the day, it's an opinion. Just because he ran certainly plays a certain way when he was playing, it doesn't make it universal to every team.

10-27-2022, 03:33 PM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,762	Re: Week Eight QB Debate Originally Posted by papz It absolutely does carry weight and I like these breakdowns that he does. It's very informative and educational. But at the end of the day, it's an opinion. Just because he ran certainly plays a certain way when he was playing, it doesn't make it universal to every team. I don't know. I have heard so many times that all teams run the same basic plays and it comes down to when they are used, how efficiently they are used, and with what personnel that makes them successful. There's different terminology, but the plays themselves and the concepts remain the same. I thought he had described this play as one of those basic ones and that's why Callaway wasn't even looking back for the ball yet.