Rumor

Boston Saint · 10-28-2022, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Compared to the cap hit the Falcons took for trading Matt Ryan, our cap hit for trading Kamara would be small. We might have to restructure another deal to make it work with this years cap but overall it would free up more cap in the future than it costs now. If we could get back our own first rounder it would be great. I am not sure the Eagles would do that. Even if we could get the Eagles 1st rounder, our 2024 2nd rounder back, and some mid round picks we should consider it. But I am not sure why the Eagles have the biggest need for a running back, Miles Sanders has been decent. Maybe we could get him in the swap with picks. The Rams might make more sense. Or the Bills. I think it makes sense for us to trade Kamara because we are not championship contenders even if we might win our division at 7-10 somehow, Kamara will likely face some supension next year when we wont contend either, and long term we need to free up cap, get younger, and have more draft picks to get a qb and contend.

Bako, with respect, Look at Kamara’s upcoming numbers for 2025. Any team that trades for him will owe him 22+ mill that year and his cap hit is 27 million. Who is going to trade for him? That’s apart from him still having 19 mill dead cap next year and 9 the year after that.

BakoSaint · 10-28-2022, 10:07 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Bako, with respect, Look at Kamara’s upcoming numbers for 2025. Any team that trades for him will owe him 22+ mill that year and his cap hit is 27 million. Who is going to trade for him? That’s apart from him still having 19 mill dead cap next year and 9 the year after that.

2025 sure. This is 2022. So a current superbowl contender trading for Kamara would hope to win with him 2022, 2023, or 2024. If the Bills traded for him and won those 3 superbowls, I think they could live with having to cut him in 2025 if they were unable to renegotiate and still being 3-4 overall in super bowl appearances.

Here is my understanding of what would happen if we traded Kamara though I am not a cap expert. His deferred bonuses totalling $14 million would come due to us so $7 million cap hit this year and $7 million next year. I think the other team would pay part of his 2022 regular salary but that salary was reduced to peanuts in a restructure so net we lose 6.5 million cap this year. Next year we take the other 7 million hit but dont have to pay his other $11 million salary and roster bonus so we gain 4 million cap. In 2024-2026 void year we gain save another $45 million cap in various salary and deferred bonuses. If you assume we would have cut him at the end of 2024 to avoid the $25 million salary cap hit in 2025 from salary and roster bonus we still save $20 million in those years by cutting earlier and also take the cap hits we cant avoid earlier instead of pushing the problems into the future.

For a team that trades for Kamara we eat the signing and deferred restructuring bonuses so they get him cheap for 2022-2024, at costs of $0.5 million, $11 million, and $12 million with nothing guaranteed. In 2025 that becomes $25 million (we eat the deferred bonus in the trade so not $27 million). But 3 years of a cheap all pro running back definitely has some trade value. His contract is not terrible but we need to rebuild and cut cap and get picks and i dont think we are legit contenders for a ring in 2022 or 2023 with the mess Loomis has put us in.

Now if there is a clause that fully guarantees his 2025 salary if traded, that would kill any value. But I dont know of any such clause and guaranteeing an entire contract down to the final year due to trade would be unusual.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-orle...-kamara-21809/

10-28-2022, 03:23 PM	#1
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Rumor Originally Posted by BakoSaint Compared to the cap hit the Falcons took for trading Matt Ryan, our cap hit for trading Kamara would be small. We might have to restructure another deal to make it work with this years cap but overall it would free up more cap in the future than it costs now. If we could get back our own first rounder it would be great. I am not sure the Eagles would do that. Even if we could get the Eagles 1st rounder, our 2024 2nd rounder back, and some mid round picks we should consider it. But I am not sure why the Eagles have the biggest need for a running back, Miles Sanders has been decent. Maybe we could get him in the swap with picks. The Rams might make more sense. Or the Bills. I think it makes sense for us to trade Kamara because we are not championship contenders even if we might win our division at 7-10 somehow, Kamara will likely face some supension next year when we wont contend either, and long term we need to free up cap, get younger, and have more draft picks to get a qb and contend. Bako, with respect, Look at Kamara’s upcoming numbers for 2025. Any team that trades for him will owe him 22+ mill that year and his cap hit is 27 million. Who is going to trade for him? That’s apart from him still having 19 mill dead cap next year and 9 the year after that.

10-28-2022, 10:07 PM	#2
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,400	Re: Rumor Originally Posted by Boston Saint Bako, with respect, Look at Kamara’s upcoming numbers for 2025. Any team that trades for him will owe him 22+ mill that year and his cap hit is 27 million. Who is going to trade for him? That’s apart from him still having 19 mill dead cap next year and 9 the year after that. 2025 sure. This is 2022. So a current superbowl contender trading for Kamara would hope to win with him 2022, 2023, or 2024. If the Bills traded for him and won those 3 superbowls, I think they could live with having to cut him in 2025 if they were unable to renegotiate and still being 3-4 overall in super bowl appearances. Here is my understanding of what would happen if we traded Kamara though I am not a cap expert. His deferred bonuses totalling $14 million would come due to us so $7 million cap hit this year and $7 million next year. I think the other team would pay part of his 2022 regular salary but that salary was reduced to peanuts in a restructure so net we lose 6.5 million cap this year. Next year we take the other 7 million hit but dont have to pay his other $11 million salary and roster bonus so we gain 4 million cap. In 2024-2026 void year we gain save another $45 million cap in various salary and deferred bonuses. If you assume we would have cut him at the end of 2024 to avoid the $25 million salary cap hit in 2025 from salary and roster bonus we still save $20 million in those years by cutting earlier and also take the cap hits we cant avoid earlier instead of pushing the problems into the future. For a team that trades for Kamara we eat the signing and deferred restructuring bonuses so they get him cheap for 2022-2024, at costs of $0.5 million, $11 million, and $12 million with nothing guaranteed. In 2025 that becomes $25 million (we eat the deferred bonus in the trade so not $27 million). But 3 years of a cheap all pro running back definitely has some trade value. His contract is not terrible but we need to rebuild and cut cap and get picks and i dont think we are legit contenders for a ring in 2022 or 2023 with the mess Loomis has put us in. Now if there is a clause that fully guarantees his 2025 salary if traded, that would kill any value. But I dont know of any such clause and guaranteeing an entire contract down to the final year due to trade would be unusual. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-orle...-kamara-21809/ halloween 65 likes this.
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