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SmashMouth 11-11-2022 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 962905)
When a play is executed the progressions the QB goes through are linear. They go from first designed option, to the next, then the next, then the next, etc. I have heard and read many times that the "open receiver" may actually be later in the progression and not even seen by the time the ball needs to get out. That may be the issue.
Also pre-snap reads are key... something Brees excelled at.

Rugby Saint II 11-12-2022 12:23 PM
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I was hoping there would be some candidates that y'all liked for the position of head coach. Da just ain't cutting it! I would like to see us bring in a fresh face and re-energize this franchise. Preferably an offensive-minded head coach with some fire.

leilung 11-12-2022 02:10 PM
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So you want to dump DA.
I'm curious as to the thought process. All talk of 'continuity hire' aside, don't you still need to have time in the HC seat to see if the team develops under him? True SP had a 10-6 season to start his HC career in NOLA, but he followed that with a 7-9 and 8-8 season. There was talk about axing him prematurely too, but the 4th season led to a Lombardi championship.

You can have all of the ingredients to make a great meal, but even a great chef sometimes needs time to make it so. Does anyone here truly see a fast track to greatness without Brees, or is it just that some of us impatient because we've been spoiled by the glory days of yore?

Your thought?

Rell&Gold 11-13-2022 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 962816)
I know this is going to sound like I’m in Allen’s corner to be the head coach and I’m really not. I’d just like to interject a thought. Do you really think he’s been given a fair chance at an objective evaluation so far this year? Hear me out…

I remember Payton struggling along with multiple 7-9 seasons when he had Brees IN HIS PRIME because he was too…blind…to realize he needed a team that could at least force one or two punts a game. I remember Payton trying dumb reverses or flea flickers at ridiculously silly moments in games that cost the team wins. I remember him drafting players like Baptiste and I remember him NEVER developing anything even close to a successful back up QB or have a plan post Brees.

Now Allen needs to unexpectedly step in for a coach (who surprisingly retires) that had a 9-8 record. Due to financial reasons the D (which had carried the team the year before) needs to lose their two starting safties and an excellent corner. They also lose a cornerstone on their Oline in Armstead.

Allen starts the year with no established QB and needs to sort through a rehabbing Winston, a washed up Dalton or an unprepared/injury prone Hill for a starter (with only 3 preseason games to find him). Then, more injuries pop up. Some unsurprising like Davenport and Thomas. Some unexpected like Penning and Lattimore. But when you really consider the sheer number of players who have missed time and they guys who have had to play in their stead it’s sort of staggering to me.

There has been practically no Landry and no Thomas at WR. At least one game was played without Olave as well. Trautman was even hurt. Who the hell has there been to throw to? Kevin White and Juwan Johnson and Smith? Payton couldn’t win with those guys, why should Allen be able to.

Lattimore’s injury has been huge. That’s left the rookie Taylor as the best DB on the whole team. Last game against the Ravens we had Kaden friggin Ellis out there trying to tackle Lamar Jackson because Werner went down. That’s not on Allen.

Look at the RBs. It’s not on Allen that both Ingram and Kamara had big fumbles early in the season that clearly cost games. Both Tampa and Carolina are Ws if those Vets hold on to the ball. Allen shouldn’t need to tell those two players to hold on to the damn ball.

Again, I’m not saying Allen should stay. I’m only saying that he was put in a tough spot and I personally do not believe he can fairly be evaluated as the head coach of the Saints based upon what he has had to work with so far:

Starting QB…injured
2 Best WRs…injured
Top 2 RB…injured
Best CB…injured
“Best” TE…injured

That’s just off the top of my head. I doubt any coach including Payton would be doing much better with the hand Allen’s been dealt. He’s being made the scapegoat. But I guess when you are the HC that comes with the territory. I just don’t think fans are looking at things objectively.
Respect but no those are excuses. We haven't lost any of those games because of injuries. We've been in every game except the Ravens and maybe Carolina with or without certain players. There were still opportunities to be had after those plays in both of those games big plays and momentum changers no doubt there was still football to be played. Everyone is injured that's why you have and "Off-season" to prepare your counter measures. Co defensive coordinator but the head coach is calling the defensive plays? Coaches decision. Trading Chauncey for a fourth round pick coaches decision. Not resigning marcus Williams partial coaches decision or influence at the least. Trading away picks for a WR leaving unable to fill other obvious and immediate holes. I.E DT OL RB2 there were opportunities to add way more to this roster and they lost more than they gained. Offensive playcalling AND PERSONNEL?. This team is 3-6 because of coaching. Even with ALL the injuries the Saints have had they have been in every game excluding the Ravens and Panthers. That's not injuries we lost with Michael Thomas we lost with Jarvis we lost Jameis, as you stated you weren't shocked by some of the injuries with we lost father games because we couldn't close out . If this was coach that was brand new to the organization I would give him the benefit of the doubt you're giving him if this was a first time head coach situation. DA is an experienced coach who was handed some nice car keys and he just drove the car never gets it maintenance just gas and oil change maybe a tire here and there.

Rell&Gold 11-13-2022 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 962843)
Kevin White, trequan smith and Callaway are good WRs huh? and it’s Allen’s fault that they couldn’t afford CGJ and the safeties they lost in the off-season? Again, respect your opinion but you aren’t looking at things Objectively. This is the same team that the great Sean Payton was 9-8 with last year except we are worse off BY FAR at the safety spot and now at LB with Werner out. That’s a fact. It’s not Allen’s fault the economics dictated he lose the players he did.
They make work what they want to make work Money Moving Loomis right? They didn't believe in the value if they did they would.

Boston Saint 11-13-2022 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 962927)
Respect but no those are excuses. We haven't lost any of those games because of injuries. We've been in every game except the Ravens and maybe Carolina with or without certain players. There were still opportunities to be had after those plays in both of those games big plays and momentum changers no doubt there was still football to be played. Everyone is injured that's why you have and "Off-season" to prepare your counter measures. Co defensive coordinator but the head coach is calling the defensive plays? Coaches decision. Trading Chauncey for a fourth round pick coaches decision. Not resigning marcus Williams partial coaches decision or influence at the least. Trading away picks for a WR leaving unable to fill other obvious and immediate holes. I.E DT OL RB2 there were opportunities to add way more to this roster and they lost more than they gained. Offensive playcalling AND PERSONNEL?. This team is 3-6 because of coaching. Even with ALL the injuries the Saints have had they have been in every game excluding the Ravens and Panthers. That's not injuries we lost with Michael Thomas we lost with Jarvis we lost Jameis, as you stated you weren't shocked by some of the injuries with we lost father games because we couldn't close out . If this was coach that was brand new to the organization I would give him the benefit of the doubt you're giving him if this was a first time head coach situation. DA is an experienced coach who was handed some nice car keys and he just drove the car never gets it maintenance just gas and oil change maybe a tire here and there.
So if Josh Allen or Mahomes or Hurts goes down with a season ending injury then the Bills, Chiefs or Eagles still should be favored to win the SB? Sorry, but I don’t agree and I guarantee Vegas odds would agree with me. It’s not an “excuse”. It’s reality.

AsylumGuido 11-13-2022 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 962927)
Respect but no those are excuses. We haven't lost any of those games because of injuries. We've been in every game except the Ravens and maybe Carolina with or without certain players. There were still opportunities to be had after those plays in both of those games big plays and momentum changers no doubt there was still football to be played. Everyone is injured that's why you have and "Off-season" to prepare your counter measures. Co defensive coordinator but the head coach is calling the defensive plays? Coaches decision. Trading Chauncey for a fourth round pick coaches decision. Not resigning marcus Williams partial coaches decision or influence at the least. Trading away picks for a WR leaving unable to fill other obvious and immediate holes. I.E DT OL RB2 there were opportunities to add way more to this roster and they lost more than they gained. Offensive playcalling AND PERSONNEL?. This team is 3-6 because of coaching. Even with ALL the injuries the Saints have had they have been in every game excluding the Ravens and Panthers. That's not injuries we lost with Michael Thomas we lost with Jarvis we lost Jameis, as you stated you weren't shocked by some of the injuries with we lost father games because we couldn't close out . If this was coach that was brand new to the organization I would give him the benefit of the doubt you're giving him if this was a first time head coach situation. DA is an experienced coach who was handed some nice car keys and he just drove the car never gets it maintenance just gas and oil change maybe a tire here and there.
Injuries have absolutely been a reason for many of the Saints' difficulties. When you are forced to field a team made up of backups you cannot be expected to compete at the same level as with a team filled with starters. That is NOT an excuse. As Boston pointed out, that is an absolute reality.

Rell&Gold 11-13-2022 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 962950)
Injuries have absolutely been a reason for many of the Saints' difficulties. When you are forced to field a team made up of backups you cannot be expected to compete at the same level as with a team filled with starters. That is NOT an excuse. As Boston pointed out, that is an absolute reality.
Like I said injuries weren't the reason we lost to the Cardinals injuries weren't the reason we lost to the Bengals I juries weren't why we lost to the Bucs or Panthers We beat Seattle with injuries they lost their starting rb for the season that game Cardinals had plenty of injuries facing us. You all are making excuses Chargers have plenty injuries they have a decent record. Jets had injuries. Injuries are apart of the game. Ravens beat us with injuries to key players, WR, TE RB1 n RB2 Safety. Steelers have injuries look like they know how to overcome. With or without injuires Ssints have been in majority of these games injuries are excuses just like some guys say you can't blame the refs.

Rell&Gold 11-13-2022 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 962938)
So if Josh Allen or Mahomes or Hurts goes down with a season ending injury then the Bills, Chiefs or Eagles still should be favored to win the SB? Sorry, but I don’t agree and I guarantee Vegas odds would agree with me. It’s not an “excuse”. It’s reality.
What does that have to do with the Saints? Where is the correlation in your "What if" scenario?

Rell&Gold 11-13-2022 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 962938)
So if Josh Allen or Mahomes or Hurts goes down with a season ending injury then the Bills, Chiefs or Eagles still should be favored to win the SB? Sorry, but I don’t agree and I guarantee Vegas odds would agree with me. It’s not an “excuse”. It’s reality.
That's not even the Saints situation make it make sense ........it's convenient to blame the losses on injuries once we've lost the game.

AsylumGuido 11-13-2022 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 963148)
Like I said injuries weren't the reason we lost to the Cardinals injuries weren't the reason we lost to the Bengals I juries weren't why we lost to the Bucs or Panthers We beat Seattle with injuries they lost their starting rb for the season that game Cardinals had plenty of injuries facing us. You all are making excuses Chargers have plenty injuries they have a decent record. Jets had injuries. Injuries are apart of the game. Ravens beat us with injuries to key players, WR, TE RB1 n RB2 Safety. Steelers have injuries look like they know how to overcome. With or without injuires Ssints have been in majority of these games injuries are excuses just like some guys say you can't blame the refs.
I said injuries are A reason that has led to losses. Not the reason. You make our point by saying that the Saints "have been in majority of these games" even with the injuries. Had we not been missing the vast number of key starters we would have likely won most, if not all, of those games. THAT is not an excuse. It is reality. A very tangible reason.

K Major 11-13-2022 07:02 PM
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Lol, do things have to be “perfect” for a coach to have success? Injuries are a part of the game. Sign better depth. The NFL is hard for a reason.

No fire, no fizzle, no energy & the same ho hum post game story after taking an L.

Seems to want to push things off on the “vets” in his presser every week. No accountability on his assistants, OC etc.

Saints still lead the league in penalties (lack of discipline) & LAST in turnover differential. All Dennis does well is lose winnable games.

Good luck on next week. Highland Park and Aaron Donald won’t feel sorry for us. This team is a direct reflection of it’s coach.

Nope, Allen ain’t it as HC & he’s making a good case to be fired after the season.

Rell&Gold 11-13-2022 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 963175)
I said injuries are A reason that has led to losses. Not the reason. You make our point by saying that the Saints "have been in majority of these games" even with the injuries. Had we not been missing the vast number of key starters we would have likely won most, if not all, of those games. THAT is not an excuse. It is reality. A very tangible reason.
Irrational logic seeing as though we lost with the same players. Those losses had ZERO today with injuries. We lost because we were out coached. You can believe what you will. Saints decisions in game are the reason we lost. Next man up best 53 on the roster. Saints aren't the only team with injuries explain that? Show me a loss the Saints received due to injuries give me ONE game where injuries were so overbearing we were unable to compete and be competitive

Rell&Gold 11-13-2022 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 963185)
Lol, do things have to be “perfect” for a coach to have success? Injuries are a part of the game. Sign better depth. The NFL is hard for a reason.

No fire, no fizzle, no energy & the same ho hum post game story after taking an L.

Seems to want to push things off on the “vets” in his presser every week. No accountability on his assistants, OC etc.

Saints still lead the league in penalties (lack of discipline) & LAST in turnover differential. All Dennis does well is lose winnable games.

Good luck on next week. Highland Park and Aaron Donald won’t feel sorry for us. This team is a direct reflection of it’s coach.

Nope, Allen ain’t it as HC & he’s making a good case to be fired after the season.
Thank you K Major. We have an off-season to prepare for these things. DA overvalued this roster and it showing depth should have been a priority instead it was getting a big play WR in a draft because we were so set at every position that's all we needed. DA is not the guy to lead the Saints to another SB.

AsylumGuido 11-14-2022 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 963187)
Irrational logic seeing as though we lost with the same players. Those losses had ZERO today with injuries. We lost because we were out coached. You can believe what you will. Saints decisions in game are the reason we lost. Next man up best 53 on the roster. Saints aren't the only team with injuries explain that? Show me a loss the Saints received due to injuries give me ONE game where injuries were so overbearing we were unable to compete and be competitive
So, you are saying we would have still performed the same versus the Steelers if we had Penning at LT, Peat at LG, McCoy at center, Ingram at RB2, Thomas at WR, Winston at QB (benched due to injury), Lattimore at CB, Maye at S, Davenport at DE, and Werner at LB?

And, yes, the Saints HAVE been able to compete with all of these and other injuries. Just think how much better they could have competed without the absence of all of those key starters. It is not the ONLY reason why those games were lost, but one would have to be blind not to see that it has been a major factor (ie. a reason) for those losses. By the way, coaching decisions and playcalling are also reasons.

AsylumGuido 11-14-2022 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 963185)
Lol, do things have to be “perfect” for a coach to have success? Injuries are a part of the game. Sign better depth. The NFL is hard for a reason.

No fire, no fizzle, no energy & the same ho hum post game story after taking an L.

Seems to want to push things off on the “vets” in his presser every week. No accountability on his assistants, OC etc.

Saints still lead the league in penalties (lack of discipline) & LAST in turnover differential. All Dennis does well is lose winnable games.

Good luck on next week. Highland Park and Aaron Donald won’t feel sorry for us. This team is a direct reflection of it’s coach.

Nope, Allen ain’t it as HC & he’s making a good case to be fired after the season.
All of those things, along with the rash of injuries, are reason for the losses. That does not, however, negate the impact that key injuries have had on the team's lack of success.

K Major 11-14-2022 08:14 AM
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Sean Payton's team was absolutely decimated last year. We started 4 different QBs and didn't have Lutz.

Our top WR was M Calloway. Yet we finished 9-8.

Dennis Allen's coaching (or lack thereof) thus far is inexcusable.

Stop it.

saintsfan1976 11-14-2022 10:18 AM
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Is it all Dennis Allen's fault? No.


But the game planning, sloppy execution, penalties, managing the roster.... it seems like he's drowning in every aspect of this new role as the team steadily declines further into chaos.

Boston Saint 11-14-2022 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 963151)
What does that have to do with the Saints? Where is the correlation in your "What if" scenario?
It has to do with recognizing that injuries play a part in what a team’s capabilities and expectations are. Just as having one key player (like your starting QB) out is a big deal, having three key players out on the Oline is as well. In the Saints case they have both.

WW_Who_Dat 11-14-2022 11:08 AM
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Just an inexcusable job of coaching … the Oline had not been run blocking all game nada nothing run wise. But at a critical point on a 3rd and 1 we try and run it … ? We don’t make it so we go for it on 4th … a QB sneak with a backup center and left guard 🤬😳🤯 … Defense is just offensive … can’t tackle and l mean they often look afraid to even make the contact standing around watching players diving at runner legs with no attempt to wrap them up. Penalty extending drives … I have to quit ruining my lunch.

cars4dylan 11-14-2022 11:51 AM
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Discipline is a head coach's realm and this team is playing undisciplined, plain and simple.

I don't think you can fault the coach for the health of players but you can sure fault the coach for lack of discipline.

I like having a coach that is cool under pressure.
I don't like a coach that is seemingly feckless, for lack of a better term.
I want to see a coach pissed off that a 15 year O-Coordinator is running plays without the best weapons on the field on critical downs.

I want to see a little fire in the belly, a little "piss & vinegar" after a 3-7 run into a season of mediocrity and of subpar performance by your team.

I just don't feel DA has that and hasn't shown the ability to have that trait either.

All this wanting him gone though doesn't help either as we're several pages deep and I've not seen one coach out there listed who is more deserving of the job. Problem is next year there is no magical wand fix for the QB. It won't be in the draft unless other teams miss on a QB and a diamond in the rough is found in the 2nd or later round. Or if a team pays us a 1st Rd pick for Payton's rights, but that's not likely to happen either.

As with most forum topics it's interesting mental masturbation but in the end we'll wait and see. Call our shots after the fact and gloat or sulk accordingly.

All that stated, if someone posts Urban Meyer would be a good coach you deserve to have posting rights revoked for eternity.

BakoSaint 11-14-2022 01:43 PM
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I don't see how we can compete in 2023 with our salary cap and draft situation so at some level I think it could actually more fitting punishment to force Loomis and Allen to stay one more year under one condition: they have to show what they can do without using up future resources. What that means is no trading 2024 or later picks for extra help in 2023, none whatsoever no exceptions. No maxing out the 2024 or later salary cap for extra help in 2023, our utilization of 2024 and future cap per player under contract for those years must fall in the middle range, say 14th-18th in the league. And also, no extension or restructures for players who did not produce well enough to justify their contracts in 2022, that means is no restructure for Peat, Thomas, Winston, Mathieu, etc, just either cut them or keep them but don't push the money to 2024 or later. Just let Loomis and Allen go for it and show what they can do but without handicapping our teams for the future and making it undesirable to other candidates in 2024 should they fail.

My prediction if we did this is that we would quite possibly be the first 0-17 team, but that would give us the #1 overall pick in 2024 and some salary cap space and make the job attractive for a new coach and GM in 2024. But if they prove me wrong and can win with league average resources, good for them give them both extensions. Other teams are actually winning more than us while actively rebuilding and taking giant cap hits to get out of bad contracts with aging/injured players.

I think this would be funny, but I doubt we would do it. I am totally in favor of getting rid of both Allen and Loomis because I don't think we have the guts to impose these conditions of banning them from mortgaging our futures. But if we did, it would be so awesome. I would love to see them suceed without the welfare of borrowing from out future. I would also love to see them go out with the scarlet letter of 0-17 if they dont. Either way it would be sort of justice and there would be something to be excited about, either playoffs or a top pick, not just an eternity in debt.

K Major 11-14-2022 05:59 PM
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Opinion: Saints shouldn't delay inevitable severance with Dennis Allen

Story here

dizzle88 11-14-2022 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 963253)
Opinion: Saints shouldn't delay inevitable severance with Dennis Allen

Story here
When all 3 phases of the team, immediately begin to fail when he takes over, I don't know what else can be done.

Obviously the offense was always going to be 50/50.
But for the defense and special teams to regress how badly they have, it's unreal.

rezburna 11-14-2022 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 963253)
Opinion: Saints shouldn't delay inevitable severance with Dennis Allen

Story here
Great article. He needs to go now. Both him and Carmichael.

papz 11-14-2022 09:36 PM
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My takeaway from that piece…

What the hell do we need Loomis for?

FinSaint 11-15-2022 02:00 AM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 963185)
Nope, Allen ain’t it as HC & he’s making a good case to be fired after the season.

The unfortunate thing is that DA can't go back to being the DC for the Saints. He seemed to excel in that position as SP's general, but who knows if he would've had as much success as the DC with another HC.

I hoped that the Saints would've signed Pederson as their HC and kept DA as the DC if that would've been an option. I know he isn't exactly lighting the world on fire in Jacksonville, but I think he could've brought a spark to the offensive side with the Saints, and he would've had the Lombardi pedigree.

neugey 11-15-2022 06:25 AM
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Seeing what Ron Rivera is doing amid one of the most dysfunctional front offices in pro sports history, a very cloudy future and dwindling fan support, maybe I should have given more consideration to listing him among Belichick, Tomlin, Carroll, etc.

papz 11-15-2022 07:41 AM
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Not to mention he dealt with a lot of difficult personalities player wise in Carolina as well. The man is a really good coach. He's certainly getting the most out of what he's been dealt.

TheOak 11-15-2022 10:18 AM
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How have some of you correlated youth with health again?


https://www.footballoutsiders.com/st...sition-and-age

AsylumGuido 11-15-2022 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 963279)
How have some of you correlated youth with health again?


https://www.footballoutsiders.com/st...sition-and-age
Nice find, Oak. This research shows no correlation at all between age and time missed due to injury.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/im...t-100915-7.jpg

Rugby Saint II 11-15-2022 11:34 AM
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I don't think we're the type of franchise to cut a coach mid season. It's a bad look for other coaches looking to come here. We are a family run business and he'll probably get to live through the rest of the year. Double dang!

leilung 11-15-2022 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 963286)
I don't think we're the type of franchise to cut a coach mid season. It's a bad look for other coaches looking to come here. We are a family run business and he'll probably get to live through the rest of the year. Double dang!
Agreed. Most franchises won't abandon their selection for HC without giving him enough rope to hang himself...

DA is walking to the gallows. There's still time for a stay of execution. :bng:

neugey 11-15-2022 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by leilung (Post 963296)
Agreed. Most franchises won't abandon their selection for HC without giving him enough rope to hang himself...

DA is walking to the gallows. There's still time for a stay of execution. :bng:

If the downturn continues, the best approach is to push the big button on Black Monday (first day after regular season concludes) and let go of Mickey and DA and any and all who report to them.

halloween 65 11-15-2022 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 963286)
I don't think we're the type of franchise to cut a coach mid season. It's a bad look for other coaches looking to come here. We are a family run business and he'll probably get to live through the rest of the year. Double dang!
Not really rugs. It just shows we're not going to put up with a loser like Allen. He can't say he didn't have talent on this team or can't say he didn't throw away a now high first round desperatly now needed draft pick. He can't deny nothing. Firing him today is 6 months to late.

Rugby Saint II 11-15-2022 02:00 PM
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I agree that we have wasted the opportunities to change the future of this franchise back to an upward pointing arrow. I don't know if that's as much Loomis's fault or he's just listening to his head coaches telling what they want and then he finds it for them. I've always said he's just a really good bean counter and that we need a real GM. I don't think we can look at Jeff Ireland in that role either, as he failed his last time around too.

AsylumGuido 11-15-2022 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by neugey (Post 963313)
If the downturn continues, the best approach is to push the big button on Black Monday (first day after regular season concludes) and let go of Mickey and DA and any and all who report to them.
And exactly who is going to do that? The dynamics at the top of the Saints is different than most other organizations. Gayle looks upon Mickey as a son. That has been shared literally on many occasions. Just as with Payton, Loomis is going to stay as long as he wishes as long as Gayle is living and that's likely to be for many more years. As badly as some fans wish to jerk the knee and clear house it's simply not the way the Saints organization from the top down operates. Best approach or not. Just saying.

halloween 65 11-15-2022 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 963317)
And exactly who is going to do that? The dynamics at the top of the Saints is different than most other organizations. Gayle looks upon Mickey as a son. That has been shared literally on many occasions. Just as with Payton, Loomis is going to stay as long as he wishes as long as Gayle is living and that's likely to be for many more years. As badly as some fans wish to jerk the knee and clear house it's simply not the way the Saints organization from the top down operates. Best approach or not. Just saying.
We keep losing she might look at him as the saying goes" a red-headed stepchild. Just sayin'.

AsylumGuido 11-15-2022 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 963319)
We keep losing she might look at him as the saying goes" a red-headed stepchild. Just sayin'.
Perhaps over multiple years. She's not the most wealthy woman in Louisiana by being overly reactive.

halloween 65 11-15-2022 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 963325)
Perhaps over multiple years. She's not the most wealthy woman in Louisiana by being overly reactive.
If she lost in her buisnesses like the Saints are, she might react differently, bet she would be firing somebody then.


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