Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 963886)

Allen’s got 99 problems but that ain’t one. Those players are grown ass men and playing at a professional level, if they aren’t able to reach down and drag their own d1cks out of the dirt by now then maybe they shouldn’t be out there. They have ALL faced adversity before and should be seasoned enough to overcome that crap.

Your boss come in on Monday and give you a pep talk?

Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 963907)

I was thinking same thing Oak. Of course, I thought a lot of Payton’s calls were suspect too.

Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 964831)

Well, I think when evaluating Allen’s performance this year some are glossing over the impact that Injuries and Refs had and are dumping a little too much on his shoulders…especially anything to do with the Raiders.

Some people may be unaware of the sorry state of the Raider franchise and their MO from about 94 on. A really good coach like Gruden who had a good QB in Gannon was able to have short term success. But they ran him out of town because of Al Davis’ ego.

I was living 12 miles from Oakland during the Allen tenure (as well as years before and after) so I heard their news daily and watched their games each week (when not blacked out) and tell you he was not the reason the team struggled. Here were the Raider win totals going backwards from his first 4-12 season:
8
8
5
5
4
2
4
5
4

It was a dysfunctional franchise. Crazy Al Davis was running things his way and that included player/coaching decisions. They had drafted Jamarcus Russell. They had no quality QB in years before he took over. Allen drafted Carr, the only decent player at the position since Rich Gannon. One year after drafting Carr he’s fired and Oakland has a 12 win season the year after that with the QB Allen wanted leading the team. But guess what…they were back to a 6 win season the next year and a 4 win season again the year after that. Point is hardly anyone was going to have success at Oakland during that time.

A lot of users here seem to remember Payton having last year’s Saints team playing much more competitively than this year’s team. They weren’t. In games not started by Winston last year the Saints were 4-6. They got blown out 40 to 29 by Philadelphia and 31 to 6 by Buffalo. It could be a part of the reason Payton cut bait and “retired”…he knew it was going to be tough sledding.

And I’ll say this again for the dozenth time, I don’t point these things out in support of Allen as being the coach next year. I say them because they are facts that should be considered.

I think different coaching decisions may have added 2 to 3 more wins for the team. I also think that fair refereeing would’ve added those same three wins just like players not fumbling or making catches (or Ingram not blowing out a knee one yard short of a first) would have added three wins to the team. We’d then be looking at a 7-6 team very similar as we were to last year about this time.

Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 964836)

We've been over this before. I blame players for their mistakes, you blame coaching for not telling them to not make mistakes.

Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 964836)

We've been over this before. I blame players for their mistakes, you blame coaching for not telling them to not make mistakes.

Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 964845)

You have Allen responsible for EVERYTHING from a missed FG to a bad call to a dropped pass. Get in the real world.

Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 964895)

Just watched the Ram’s RB fumble. Man Sean McVay is a crappy coach.

Originally Posted by mapcow (Post 964788)

Saints future - Team will consist of NFL has beens, and future hall of famer rookies(whom will be traded for more has beens)..... the circle is complete.

Trust me....its true.

:rofl:

So glad to have witnessed the Saints SuperBowl Win... Bounty Gate...and the saints players knocking the snot out of opponents. When football was actually football. Not sure, the play of today amounts to football of any sort. Maybe finesse_ball. :dunce:

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 964901)

Careful with that one, it calls into question what you know. There is some degree of holding on every play of every game.

Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 964844)

This is his answer to reporters. Who knows what he is telling his team. Do you deny that had a ball or two been caught, or Ingram not blown his knee one yard short of a first down, or the refs called hold in the 4th quarter the outcome would be different?