Saints fans launch petition asking team to fire Dennis Allen
 

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Dennis will return in 2023, but he shouldn’t.

I do however believe Pete Carmichael is gone after the season though.

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Chicken sh*+ petition if you ask me. Not that i want Allen to stay. Just a bad look for the fans.

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DA has seven games left. I want to see how he and (more importantly) the players respond.

If there isn't enough evidence that he's the man to LEAD this franchise, then the experiment shouldn't continue.

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I too believe Pete Carmichael will be moving on after this year. I have to give Pete a little slack, he did not want the OC position this year and had asked to be demoted. I do believe Pete puts 100% effort into his job, but without SP around it looks like it would have been wise to allow him to be a position coach instead of OC.

As for DA, we all know this has been a rough year. I think he is a one and done, but wouldn't be surprised at all if he gets another year. I also believe the organization will very quietly attempt to get SP back by offering a very large pay bump.

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I'm a really big fan of McDaniel's offense in Miami. We might not have the right players for it, but I like a quick, faster striking offense. Less thinking just doing.

We just need some new energy.

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I just wonder how teams' fans make the very same move with other teams. :confused:


One has to admit though that DA's "Another Bad Day At The Office" comment seems very shallow and lacking.

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What we need is some healthy players! We’ve got three backup Olinemen blocking for a backup QB throwing to Kevin White, Smith, and Callaway.

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I agree. If you really look at the roster, when healthy, we're actually in good shape. We just need a slightly above average quarterback and we're a playoff team. The problem is that we're never healthy and we don't have the latter either. Jimmy G has been mentioned several times on the board and I think he actually works here if we can find some money between the couch cushions. It's not a bad stop gap.

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Maybe the Saints need a strength/conditioning and nutritions expert team like Coach Brian Kelly seems to have put together at LSU. Have the Saints lost their way in certain parts of the organization?

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I’m hoping for Minshew the second. With a nickname like “Jockstrap King” I’d roll with that.

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That's why Dr. Matt Rhea was hired this past off-season as director of sports science.

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Most teams are never healthy, we have not been healthy for many years.

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Guess he could not do his job either... Turf Toe is it?:dunce:

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Healthy is a relative term. Not being healthy could be anything from having a cold to having pancreatic cancer. Kindly Point out to me another team that has played without:

2-3 starting olinemen,
# 1 WR
#1 CB
starting QB
Any backup RBs
Middle LB

Then, if you find any that have done so, let me know the record of those teams.

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So is Dr. Rhea the answer? How is his performance so far? . How many players are on IR for seemingly a minor injury, like cutting fingernails too short or something absurdly ridiculous like that? If one states that all teams are undergoing similar challenges, does that makes it explainable to justifiable? Or is it symptomatic of a league wide problem? Certainly it's not a $ issue since the league makes more than anyone can imagine. If the league's intent is to have a bunch of 8-9 and 9-8 teams, then we're there, hockey basically. It's not entertaining or fun to watch and witness as fans. IMHO, the league has gotten too big for its britches. They've lost their way. They've lost track of the most important part, the fans. That's who ultimately funds these overpaid folks. And now with gambling... SMDH.

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That is exactly the goal of the NFL. That is the sole purpose of the salary cap. Absolute parity. The later into the season with as many teams still alive to get some sort of playoff spot the better. If every team went into week 18 at 8-8 the NFL and all of their broadcast partners would be doing backflips. It is first and foremost a business, as is every professional sport.

You say it's not entertaining or fun to watch, yet every year new viewership records are being set. People are tuning into the various platforms to watch games in greater numbers than ever before. That's why the ever growing pool of broadcast providers funds those "overpaid folks". It's because the fans continue to tune in and watch their ads.

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All good questions. If I had the answers I’d be feeding them to the Saints!

I’m guess Head injuries/concussions are a different ball of wax in that players probably feel like they can come back before protocols allow them.

But other injuries it’s likely on an individual player/team basis on when/if they return based on multiple factors. And the causes are likewise based on multiple factors. But let’s face it, it’s a violent game centered on physical contact. They can make it more like flag football all they want….but you can still blow out a knee or twist an ankle doing that. These guys are getting paid to take that risk.

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I think they want to give all teams a “chance” by establishing a cap to avoid mega-spending teams ruling the league. But they don’t want parity 8-8 teams throughout the league. The league loves stars and winners. They want record setters and attention grabbers. The league really only has to have about 3-4 good matchups a week to show nationwide to keep interest.

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Matt Rhea's specialty is soft tissue injuries. We have not had very many of those this year. He can't control the other injuries but we need to find somebody who can! The folks we have doing it are not getting the job done!

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I maintain a less-contact based preseason has made guys softer.

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Ideally the NFL would want a different team to win it all every year. Even with absolutely parity there are other factors that will always cause some teams to rise up and others fall down with injuries being a major one of those factors. One team winning it all every year becomes just as deflating as every team finishing at 8-9 or 9-8.

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Yes, we have had a run of serious toe injuries, high ankle sprains, and concussions. Actually, most teams have. Really none of these have to do with any sort of strength or conditioning. Equipment in the case of the toe injuries could be a factor. Or playing surface could be the issue. The high ankle sprains cannot be prevented nor can the concussions beyond what they league is already doing. It's just dumb luck. It just like the Rams losing Kupp to the ankle this past week along with their starting LT and RG for other reasons.

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Perhaps. But I believe it has more to do with the players becoming bigger, stronger, and faster every year. Football has always been a violent game, but it is becoming more and more violent every year just based upon the players themselves. Just look at games from 40 years ago. They were not flying around at every position they way they are now. It's a different game.

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Why would this be ideal? The league is trying to sell itself globally. They want the common big names to win. Not unknown cities. The Ideal Super bowl for them is a big East Coast city vs a big West Coast city with a little bit of old guard Packers/Stealers/Dallas thrown in. The hardest thing for them to sell is a matchup between the Saints and Titans for SB.

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They are already selling it. Or well on the way. The global market has no predefined ties to older successful franchises. The NFL has an international marketing plan that ties specific franchises to different global areas. They call it International Marketing Rights.

Regardless, the Super Bowl sells itself. It will always be the most watched broadcast every year just as it has been for years and years. To the international market it just the NFL and they are starved to watch it. Or at least that's the take on most every article I have read about it.

Don't forget that arguably the worst franchise in the league, J'Ville' sells out every game in Europe.

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Here's another article on International Marketing Rights.

NFL awards international marketing rights to 18 teams in eight countries

My understanding is that the individual teams have to apply for the rights. Apparently New Orleans hasn't completed the process yet.

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Ok, but weather or not people watch the super bowl is not the same as saying they want a different team to win each year. That’s BS. I don’t care what propaganda they put out that’s not true. The Mayor of NYC said it himself when he said New York is a brand. Kansas is not a brand.

There is no doubt that a world series of Yankees vs Dodgers draws more viewers than a WS of Royals vs Rockies. NFL is the same.

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I know they are planning for France to be a location for games in the future. Maybe that's where the Saints want to market.

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If the league is smart, they'd want more dynasties. Attention to the NBA was never higher than in the Bulls Jordan heyday when you either were on the bandwagon with them or you were part of the resistance against them. The same thing kind of happening when Dallas/SF were at the height of their powers in the 90's and the other teams were left with scraps. Dynasties create a lot of attention and contempt.

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And to think I didn't start that petition, but would sign and support it

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Sacre Bleu! Good for France... they didn't buy into this scheme! :bng:

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The NBA needed that attention since they weren't getting it any other way. No sports league has ever been as successful as the NFL is today. Gone is the need for attention grabbing. No longer is there three networks and the daily paper with only four games being broadcast. The 32nd ranked team has more revenue generating power than the top clubs from those eras all put together. The playoffs and Super Bowl are guaranteed mega money producers regardless of the teams involved. Regular season demand is driven more by the relevancy of the games aired. The more teams alive as the season winds down the better for the broadcast partners. Every game every week is available for broadcast somewhere given all of the broadcast sources. I just don't see "dynasties" as still being a driving force as they were "back then".

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France is wanting to "buy in" according to articles I have read. That's why games are being planned there, too. The Saints would be the perfect team for their market.

:bng:

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Where do I sign? The guy have a diamond in the rough in Rasheed and don’t know how to involve him. Dalton is horrible but able to retain the starting job. If the shoe was on the other foot he would have been yanked after that 1st interception in the red zone before the 2 pick 6. You need an alpha man to lead this team; DENNIS ALLEN is not the one. Have a Lamborghini with Ray Charles in the driver seat


After all the injuries and the handling of Winston. I would be surprised if any free agents will even consider coming to New Orleans with DA as head coach

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Fair points. Maybe we are in a middle ground. I think dynasties still give the all the preview shows, talking heads and other media extra things to talk about, and gives richer substance to the league and it's history. The Chiefs are somewhat of a dynasty right now, and if the Bills overcome them in the playoffs it'll be much more memorable and draw much better ratings than say, the Bills defeating the Chargers to move on. And then Bills and Chiefs have an even bigger rivalry moving forward, strengthening all the "which is the better team", "which has the better QB" discussions.


But to Guido's point, something will always fill the vacuum - whether it's Deshaun Watson's legal troubles, Tom Brady's divorce, Tua's concussion, Aaron Rodgers' tattoo, etc. etc. People will find a way to be passionate about these topics too. But if I were commish, for the best health of the league to be highest, I'd want them to be passionate about the games/rivalries on the field as much as possible instead of the side topics.

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Agreed!

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Speaking of international play ...

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Back on topic... who's here that signed the petition?