Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers

AsylumGuido · 11-28-2022, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

We have the worst turnover ratio in the league and are the most penalized team. Those are coaching issues as it’s not just one player that’s an issue. There is also a lack of accountability and motivation. This even the players admitted to when AK held his meeting to address it… if your employees are holding meetings discussing the lack of accountability and motivation, the. Coaching is the problem.

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Exactly what I said the other day and got told I was "making assumptions."

You only hear about those player led meetings when the team is losing.

Most of what we are dealing with right now comes down to one thing ...

NO DREW BREES

K Major · 11-28-2022, 05:36 PM

Lol.

Last time I checked, Dennis Allen is 12-36 (.250) as a HEAD COACH. The man is in over his head.

Carry on.

AsylumGuido · 11-28-2022, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Lol.

Last time I checked, Dennis Allen is 12-36 (.250) as a HEAD COACH. The man is in over his head.

Carry on.

Not saying he shouldn't eventually be replaced. But, to put the entire blame on him is shortsighted.

K Major · 11-28-2022, 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Not saying he shouldn't eventually be replaced. But, to put the entire blame on him is shortsighted.

Again, this isn't Allen's first rodeo as HC. The criticism he's already getting as a 4th year HC is fair, necessary, and appropriate.

His track record (regardless of the circumstances) says he's not a winner and never will be as an HC. The man won ONE (1) back-to-back game in his career as HC. 3 years of evidence say he sucks & can't lead a team.

And for the record, I've never put the entire blame on Allen. Not sure where you got that nonsense from.

AsylumGuido · 11-28-2022, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Again, this isn't Allen's first rodeo as HC. The criticism he's already getting as a 4th year HC is fair, necessary, and appropriate.

His track record (regardless of the circumstances) says he's not a winner and never will be as an HC. The man won ONE (1) back-to-back game in his career as HC. 3 years of evidence say he sucks & can't lead a team.

And for the record, I've never put the entire blame on Allen. Not sure where you got that nonsense from.

Where did I ever say YOU personally put the entire blame on Allen? Not sure where you got that nonsense from.

Sinner · 11-28-2022, 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Where did I ever say YOU personally put the entire blame on Allen? Not sure where you got that nonsense from.

NOBODY put the entire blame on Allen. But to say that the Head Coach is not largely responsible for what happens after the opening whistle blows, game after game, would be shortsighted, to say the least.

SmashMouth · 11-28-2022, 06:05 PM

BakoSaint · 11-28-2022, 07:13 PM

There are 3 possibilities, Allen is: lousy, average, or great as head coach. Overall our team is performing lousy but it can be debated whether that's the fault of Allen, Loomis, or the performance and health of the players Loomis, Allen, and Payton hand picked to be on the team.

The thing is, firing Allen will only be a mistake if Allen is great. If Allen is an average head coach faced with difficult circumstances, firing him won't automatically make things better, but it won't on average make them worse either, it will just be something we tried as part of the process of elimination to solve the problem, cutting loose an average replacement level dude, an AJ Klein or Andy Dalton of head coaches.

Firing Allen would only be a disaster if Allen is actually a great head coach. Now, Allen has a career .250 record taking over previously ~.500 teams in 3 years and has only won back-to-back games once. So I would say that whether he is lousy or average, the evidence strongly suggests that Allen is not great. Therefore, I don't see much risk in getting rid of Allen. Whatever he is, lousy or average, and the record points to lousy, he can't be great and lose that much.

K Major · 11-28-2022, 09:30 PM

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leilung · 11-28-2022, 09:36 PM

Since I was out watching the Commanders game with my Uncle, I missed most of the game.

1) For all of that vaunted offensive firepower, they only scored 13. Were the 49ers that bad on offense, or were our boys playing that well on D?
2) Judging from the comments, we once again were on the back side of the T/O curve. Did we have any RB's available to replace AK after he was obviosly struggling?
3) How did the O line look vs. Bosa and friends? Was AD under pressure or was he just undecisive in getting rid of the ball?
4) What did the DAs D line pressure look like? What about the playcalling from PC?

Thanks for your feedback.

11-28-2022, 05:32 PM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers Originally Posted by blackangold We have the worst turnover ratio in the league and are the most penalized team. Those are coaching issues as it’s not just one player that’s an issue. There is also a lack of accountability and motivation. This even the players admitted to when AK held his meeting to address it… if your employees are holding meetings discussing the lack of accountability and motivation, the. Coaching is the problem. Originally Posted by dizzle88 Exactly what I said the other day and got told I was "making assumptions." You only hear about those player led meetings when the team is losing. Most of what we are dealing with right now comes down to one thing ... NO DREW BREES

11-28-2022, 05:36 PM	#2
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,799 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers Lol. Last time I checked, Dennis Allen is 12-36 (.250) as a HEAD COACH. The man is in over his head. Carry on. dizzle88, Sinner and frydaddy like this.

11-28-2022, 05:40 PM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers Originally Posted by K Major Lol. Last time I checked, Dennis Allen is 12-36 (.250) as a HEAD COACH. The man is in over his head. Carry on. Not saying he shouldn't eventually be replaced. But, to put the entire blame on him is shortsighted.

11-28-2022, 06:03 PM	#4
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,799 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Not saying he shouldn't eventually be replaced. But, to put the entire blame on him is shortsighted. Again, this isn't Allen's first rodeo as HC. The criticism he's already getting as a 4th year HC is fair, necessary, and appropriate. His track record (regardless of the circumstances) says he's not a winner and never will be as an HC. The man won ONE (1) back-to-back game in his career as HC. 3 years of evidence say he sucks & can't lead a team. And for the record, I've never put the entire blame on Allen. Not sure where you got that nonsense from. Sinner likes this.

11-28-2022, 06:12 PM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers Originally Posted by K Major Again, this isn't Allen's first rodeo as HC. The criticism he's already getting as a 4th year HC is fair, necessary, and appropriate. His track record (regardless of the circumstances) says he's not a winner and never will be as an HC. The man won ONE (1) back-to-back game in his career as HC. 3 years of evidence say he sucks & can't lead a team. And for the record, I've never put the entire blame on Allen. Not sure where you got that nonsense from. Where did I ever say YOU personally put the entire blame on Allen? Not sure where you got that nonsense from.

11-28-2022, 06:16 PM	#6
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,065	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Where did I ever say YOU personally put the entire blame on Allen? Not sure where you got that nonsense from. NOBODY put the entire blame on Allen. But to say that the Head Coach is not largely responsible for what happens after the opening whistle blows, game after game, would be shortsighted, to say the least. K Major likes this.
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11-28-2022, 07:13 PM	#8
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,347	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers There are 3 possibilities, Allen is: lousy, average, or great as head coach. Overall our team is performing lousy but it can be debated whether that's the fault of Allen, Loomis, or the performance and health of the players Loomis, Allen, and Payton hand picked to be on the team. The thing is, firing Allen will only be a mistake if Allen is great. If Allen is an average head coach faced with difficult circumstances, firing him won't automatically make things better, but it won't on average make them worse either, it will just be something we tried as part of the process of elimination to solve the problem, cutting loose an average replacement level dude, an AJ Klein or Andy Dalton of head coaches. Firing Allen would only be a disaster if Allen is actually a great head coach. Now, Allen has a career .250 record taking over previously ~.500 teams in 3 years and has only won back-to-back games once. So I would say that whether he is lousy or average, the evidence strongly suggests that Allen is not great. Therefore, I don't see much risk in getting rid of Allen. Whatever he is, lousy or average, and the record points to lousy, he can't be great and lose that much. Sinner likes this.
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11-28-2022, 09:36 PM	#10
leilung Booty Bandit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Wastelands that are NJ Posts: 1,422	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers Since I was out watching the Commanders game with my Uncle, I missed most of the game. 1) For all of that vaunted offensive firepower, they only scored 13. Were the 49ers that bad on offense, or were our boys playing that well on D? 2) Judging from the comments, we once again were on the back side of the T/O curve. Did we have any RB's available to replace AK after he was obviosly struggling? 3) How did the O line look vs. Bosa and friends? Was AD under pressure or was he just undecisive in getting rid of the ball? 4) What did the DAs D line pressure look like? What about the playcalling from PC? Thanks for your feedback.
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