Payton and Brady Teaming Up in NOLA?

K Major · 12-13-2022, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

So first off I am not saying this to slam Campbell or promote Allen. Campbell could easily be a better head coach than Allen. He probably is.

Im also not trying to be argumentative like Guido has accused me of being in the past. Im jut trying to present a different viewpoint. It’s something my Dad taught me about looking at things from multiple sides. I like discussions about football.

Campbell is doing well now and the lions have played well recently. But Campbell had 3 wins in his first year as HC. A downgrade from the previous year. The management decided to give him a second year. He started this season with a 1-6 record before recent success.

So my point is that even though he has won 5 of 6, I’m sure there were many fans screaming for his head during what was a 4-19 stretch going back to last year. People calling for Allen’s head should think about that, especially if you are touting Campbell.

It is what it is brother.

Dennis Allen isn't a leader of men or knows how to motivate.

Boston Saint · 12-13-2022, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

It is what it is brother.

Dennis Allen isn't a leader of men or knows how to motivate.

You could easily be correct Major, but you see my point, right?

K Major · 12-13-2022, 11:24 AM

For anyone interested in stats:

Dan Campbell hired in 2021 already has more CAREER WINS (14) than Allen (12) who has had TWO TENURES (Oakland and is currently in NO). Basically a 3-year start as HC

.

At the end of the day, no owner/GM cares about "we didn't have X, we had this many guys out due to covid, mgt didn't do this", yadda, yadda.

Allen is below average at his job.

Wins and losses are all that matters.

Boston Saint · 12-13-2022, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

For anyone interested in stats:

Dan Campbell hired in 2021 already has more CAREER WINS (14) than Allen (12) who has had TWO TENURES (Oakland and is currently in NO). Basically a 3-year start as HC .

At the end of the day, no owner/GM cares about "we didn't have X, we had this many guys out due to covid, mgt didn't do this", yadda, yadda.

Allen is below average at his job.

Wins and losses are all that matters.

Ok, so I guess that means you don’t see my point.

Sinner · 12-13-2022, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

For anyone interested in stats:

Dan Campbell hired in 2021 already has more CAREER WINS (14) than Allen (12) who has had TWO TENURES (Oakland and is currently in NO). Basically a 3-year start as HC .

At the end of the day, no owner/GM cares about "we didn't have X, we had this many guys out due to covid, mgt didn't do this", yadda, yadda.

Allen is below average at his job.

Wins and losses are all that matters.

FACTS are a bitter pill to swallow.

Boston Saint · 12-13-2022, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by Sinner

FACTS are a bitter pill to swallow.

What fact have I denied?

AsylumGuido · 12-13-2022, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

So first off I am not saying this to slam Campbell or promote Allen. Campbell could easily be a better head coach than Allen. He probably is.

Im also not trying to be argumentative like Guido has accused me of being in the past. Im jut trying to present a different viewpoint. It’s something my Dad taught me about looking at things from multiple sides. I like discussions about football.

Campbell is doing well now and the lions have played well recently. But Campbell had 3 wins in his first year as HC. A downgrade from the previous year. The management decided to give him a second year. He started this season with a 1-6 record before recent success.

So my point is that even though he has won 5 of 6, I’m sure there were many fans screaming for his head during what was a 4-19 stretch going back to last year. People calling for Allen’s head should think about that, especially if you are touting Campbell.

Excellent points!

Boston Saint · 12-13-2022, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

For anyone interested in stats:

Dan Campbell hired in 2021 already has more CAREER WINS (14) than Allen (12) who has had TWO TENURES (Oakland and is currently in NO). Basically a 3-year start as HC .

At the end of the day, no owner/GM cares about "we didn't have X, we had this many guys out due to covid, mgt didn't do this", yadda, yadda.

Allen is below average at his job.

Wins and losses are all that matters.

Again, I’m not arguing how good/bad Campbell is. I’m just pointing out that as a DETROIT LIONS fan (forget his interem Miami gig cause that doesn’t mean much to a Lions fan) he was sitting with a record of 4-19. Don't you think there were Lions fans doubting him? I’m guessing you would have too had you been a lions fan.

Sinner · 12-13-2022, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

What fact have I denied?

We have a Coaching Problem.

SmashMouth · 12-13-2022, 12:07 PM

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12-13-2022, 11:15 AM	#51
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,056 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Payton and Brady Teaming Up in NOLA? Originally Posted by Boston Saint So first off I am not saying this to slam Campbell or promote Allen. Campbell could easily be a better head coach than Allen. He probably is. Im also not trying to be argumentative like Guido has accused me of being in the past. Im jut trying to present a different viewpoint. It’s something my Dad taught me about looking at things from multiple sides. I like discussions about football. Campbell is doing well now and the lions have played well recently. But Campbell had 3 wins in his first year as HC. A downgrade from the previous year. The management decided to give him a second year. He started this season with a 1-6 record before recent success. So my point is that even though he has won 5 of 6, I’m sure there were many fans screaming for his head during what was a 4-19 stretch going back to last year. People calling for Allen’s head should think about that, especially if you are touting Campbell. It is what it is brother. Dennis Allen isn't a leader of men or knows how to motivate. SmashMouth and Sinner like this.

12-13-2022, 11:18 AM	#52
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,874	Re: Payton and Brady Teaming Up in NOLA? Originally Posted by K Major It is what it is brother. Dennis Allen isn't a leader of men or knows how to motivate. You could easily be correct Major, but you see my point, right? Rugby Saint II likes this.

12-13-2022, 11:24 AM	#53
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,056 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Payton and Brady Teaming Up in NOLA? For anyone interested in stats: Dan Campbell hired in 2021 already has more CAREER WINS (14) than Allen (12) who has had TWO TENURES (Oakland and is currently in NO). Basically a 3-year start as HC . At the end of the day, no owner/GM cares about "we didn't have X, we had this many guys out due to covid, mgt didn't do this", yadda, yadda. Allen is below average at his job. Wins and losses are all that matters. Rugby Saint II and Sinner like this.

12-13-2022, 11:27 AM	#54
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,874	Re: Payton and Brady Teaming Up in NOLA? Originally Posted by K Major For anyone interested in stats: Dan Campbell hired in 2021 already has more CAREER WINS (14) than Allen (12) who has had TWO TENURES (Oakland and is currently in NO). Basically a 3-year start as HC . At the end of the day, no owner/GM cares about "we didn't have X, we had this many guys out due to covid, mgt didn't do this", yadda, yadda. Allen is below average at his job. Wins and losses are all that matters. Ok, so I guess that means you don’t see my point. Rugby Saint II likes this.

12-13-2022, 11:35 AM	#55
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 2,768	Re: Payton and Brady Teaming Up in NOLA? Originally Posted by K Major For anyone interested in stats: Dan Campbell hired in 2021 already has more CAREER WINS (14) than Allen (12) who has had TWO TENURES (Oakland and is currently in NO). Basically a 3-year start as HC . At the end of the day, no owner/GM cares about "we didn't have X, we had this many guys out due to covid, mgt didn't do this", yadda, yadda. Allen is below average at his job. Wins and losses are all that matters. FACTS are a bitter pill to swallow. K Major likes this.
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12-13-2022, 11:38 AM	#56
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,874	Re: Payton and Brady Teaming Up in NOLA? Originally Posted by Sinner FACTS are a bitter pill to swallow. What fact have I denied?

12-13-2022, 11:50 AM	#57
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Payton and Brady Teaming Up in NOLA? Originally Posted by Boston Saint So first off I am not saying this to slam Campbell or promote Allen. Campbell could easily be a better head coach than Allen. He probably is. Im also not trying to be argumentative like Guido has accused me of being in the past. Im jut trying to present a different viewpoint. It’s something my Dad taught me about looking at things from multiple sides. I like discussions about football. Campbell is doing well now and the lions have played well recently. But Campbell had 3 wins in his first year as HC. A downgrade from the previous year. The management decided to give him a second year. He started this season with a 1-6 record before recent success. So my point is that even though he has won 5 of 6, I’m sure there were many fans screaming for his head during what was a 4-19 stretch going back to last year. People calling for Allen’s head should think about that, especially if you are touting Campbell. Excellent points!

12-13-2022, 11:54 AM	#58
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,874	Re: Payton and Brady Teaming Up in NOLA? Originally Posted by K Major For anyone interested in stats: Dan Campbell hired in 2021 already has more CAREER WINS (14) than Allen (12) who has had TWO TENURES (Oakland and is currently in NO). Basically a 3-year start as HC . At the end of the day, no owner/GM cares about "we didn't have X, we had this many guys out due to covid, mgt didn't do this", yadda, yadda. Allen is below average at his job. Wins and losses are all that matters. Again, I’m not arguing how good/bad Campbell is. I’m just pointing out that as a DETROIT LIONS fan (forget his interem Miami gig cause that doesn’t mean much to a Lions fan) he was sitting with a record of 4-19. Don't you think there were Lions fans doubting him? I’m guessing you would have too had you been a lions fan.

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Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 2,768	Re: Payton and Brady Teaming Up in NOLA? Originally Posted by Boston Saint What fact have I denied? We have a Coaching Problem. SmashMouth likes this.
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