Payton and Brady Teaming Up in NOLA?

Sinner · 12-13-2022, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

For anyone interested in stats:

Dan Campbell hired in 2021 already has more CAREER WINS (14) than Allen (12) who has had TWO TENURES (Oakland and is currently in NO). Basically a 3-year start as HC .

At the end of the day, no owner/GM cares about "we didn't have X, we had this many guys out due to covid, mgt didn't do this", yadda, yadda.

Allen is below average at his job.

Wins and losses are all that matters.

FACTS are a bitter pill to swallow.

Boston Saint · 12-13-2022, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by Sinner

FACTS are a bitter pill to swallow.

What fact have I denied?

Sinner · 12-13-2022, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

What fact have I denied?

We have a Coaching Problem.

Boston Saint · 12-13-2022, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

For anyone interested in stats:

Dan Campbell hired in 2021 already has more CAREER WINS (14) than Allen (12) who has had TWO TENURES (Oakland and is currently in NO). Basically a 3-year start as HC .

At the end of the day, no owner/GM cares about "we didn't have X, we had this many guys out due to covid, mgt didn't do this", yadda, yadda.

Allen is below average at his job.

Wins and losses are all that matters.

Again, I’m not arguing how good/bad Campbell is. I’m just pointing out that as a DETROIT LIONS fan (forget his interem Miami gig cause that doesn’t mean much to a Lions fan) he was sitting with a record of 4-19. Don't you think there were Lions fans doubting him? I’m guessing you would have too had you been a lions fan.

K Major · 12-13-2022, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Again, I’m not arguing how good/bad Campbell is. I’m just pointing out that as a DETROIT LIONS fan (forget his interem Miami gig cause that doesn’t mean much to a Lions fan) he was sitting with a record of 4-19. Don't you think there were Lions fans doubting him? I’m guessing you would have too had you been a lions fan.

Don't know nor do I care how the "fans" feel.

Bottom line is that if you don't motivate, elevate, and prepare your men each week for play, you'll continue to take L's and/or eventually lose your job.

Owners want a winning product on Sundays, not excuses Boston. 2022 was a playoff roster (in my mind) & somehow went south quickly. In a terrible division, the Saints are currently the worst. Rewind to games this season .. Bengals, Carolina, Ravens, Steelers, Niners, etc. If you had a competent HC, you win at least 3, or 4 of those "close" ones.

I'm on to the Falcons brother. They tee it up at 12 sharp

Boston Saint · 12-13-2022, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Don't know nor do I care how the "fans" feel.

Bottom line is that if you don't motivate, elevate, and prepare your men each week for play, you'll continue to take L's and/or eventually lose your job.

Owners want a winning product on Sundays, not excuses Boston. 2022 was a playoff roster (in my mind) & somehow went south quickly. In a terrible division, the Saints are currently the worst. Rewind to games this season .. Bengals, Carolina, Ravens, Steelers, Niners, etc. If you had a competent HC, you win at least 3, or 4 of those "close" ones.

I'm on to the Falcons brother. They tee it up at 12 sharp

I don’t disagree with any of this…but the things you say about Allen you would have said about Campbell had he been the Saints coach and had a 4-19 record like he did with the Lions.

AsylumGuido · 12-13-2022, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Don't know nor do I care how the "fans" feel.

Bottom line is that if you don't motivate, elevate, and prepare your men each week for play, you'll continue to take L's and/or eventually lose your job.

Owners want a winning product on Sundays, not excuses Boston. 2022 was a playoff roster (in my mind) & somehow went south quickly. In a terrible division, the Saints are currently the worst. Rewind to games this season .. Bengals, Carolina, Ravens, Steelers, Niners, etc. If you had a competent HC, you win at least 3, or 4 of those "close" ones.

I'm on to the Falcons brother. They tee it up at 12 sharp

The roster pre-injury was a playoff roster in my mind as well. After being decimated, not so much. Although, if you had Michael Thomas, Marshon Lattimore, and the missing 3/5th's of the starting offensive line you win at least 3, or 4 of those close ones.

And we'll be there in section 229 pulling for that Falcons beat down.

AsylumGuido · 12-13-2022, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Again, I’m not arguing how good/bad Campbell is. I’m just pointing out that as a DETROIT LIONS fan (forget his interem Miami gig cause that doesn’t mean much to a Lions fan) he was sitting with a record of 4-19. Don't you think there were Lions fans doubting him? I’m guessing you would have too had you been a lions fan.

You are correct.

From a Lions forum - The Den - this season:

Poll: Should Dan Campbell be fired after loss to Pats?

Comments:

"He won’t be, but keeping Dan Campbell around is on the same level as letting Matt Patricia stay as long as the Lions did. Dan Campbell isn’t an NFL head coach."

"For those voting “No,” I have to know why. What are you seeing?"

"No. He’s got this season for sure. He’s done a terrible job. I’m not debating that"

"We were absolutely unprepared in every element of this game. It’s like we just walked in with our Playbook without scouting with the other team can do. Belichick is the greatest coach the NFL has ever seen and it obviously showed today because he 100% knew how to stop this offense. This team was absolutely embarrassing to watch today and that is 100% on the entirety of the coaching staff"

"I don’t see how you can keep him around. The season is lost, and he hasn’t shown any progress as a coach. I wouldn’t delay the inevitable at this point."

"The unpreparedness is what got me today. They were outcoached in every single aspect."

"Brian Daboll has the same amount of wins in 5 games with Daniel Jones as his QB as Dan Campbell has in 22 games."

"If the lions win less than 5 games, which is a probability, Campbell has to be let go. If the wheels fall off the offense this season is going to be unwatchable. Even worse than last year because we have more talent."

"Get rid of him now. Sheila needs to make a statement. Both she and the fans were sold a bill of goods."

"Just to do it? He’s 4-17-1, looks completely over his head, and his players look like they’re regressing across the board. If you want to salvage any of these young guys, you have to cut ties with Dan sooner rather than later, IMO."

And it goes on and on. Sound familiar?

SmashMouth · 12-13-2022, 12:07 PM

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Rugby Saint II · 12-13-2022, 01:18 PM

Ripping off five wins is good for Dan Quinn. However, I think Four wins is the most that Dennis Allen ever had in one season. As was mentioned earlier, he is in his third year has head coach and is performing just as poorly now as he did his first year.

Like Boston said, there have been numerous devastating injuries to multiple starters and we are playing with a backup quarterback, so it is a little difficult to expect much from a coach in that situation.

However, Sean Payton did a fabulous job with the same circumstances while being relocated for the hurricane last season and came out with a winning record. If Dennis Allen is given another year I'll be able to understand the reasoning behind that move. However I would be quite happy if he found employment elsewhere next year.

12-13-2022, 11:35 AM	#1
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,068	Re: Payton and Brady Teaming Up in NOLA? Originally Posted by K Major For anyone interested in stats: Dan Campbell hired in 2021 already has more CAREER WINS (14) than Allen (12) who has had TWO TENURES (Oakland and is currently in NO). Basically a 3-year start as HC . At the end of the day, no owner/GM cares about "we didn't have X, we had this many guys out due to covid, mgt didn't do this", yadda, yadda. Allen is below average at his job. Wins and losses are all that matters. FACTS are a bitter pill to swallow. K Major likes this.
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12-13-2022, 11:38 AM	#2
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12-13-2022, 12:06 PM	#3
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12-13-2022, 11:54 AM	#4
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Payton and Brady Teaming Up in NOLA? Originally Posted by K Major For anyone interested in stats: Dan Campbell hired in 2021 already has more CAREER WINS (14) than Allen (12) who has had TWO TENURES (Oakland and is currently in NO). Basically a 3-year start as HC . At the end of the day, no owner/GM cares about "we didn't have X, we had this many guys out due to covid, mgt didn't do this", yadda, yadda. Allen is below average at his job. Wins and losses are all that matters. Again, I’m not arguing how good/bad Campbell is. I’m just pointing out that as a DETROIT LIONS fan (forget his interem Miami gig cause that doesn’t mean much to a Lions fan) he was sitting with a record of 4-19. Don't you think there were Lions fans doubting him? I’m guessing you would have too had you been a lions fan.

12-13-2022, 12:08 PM	#5
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,825 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Payton and Brady Teaming Up in NOLA? Originally Posted by Boston Saint Again, I’m not arguing how good/bad Campbell is. I’m just pointing out that as a DETROIT LIONS fan (forget his interem Miami gig cause that doesn’t mean much to a Lions fan) he was sitting with a record of 4-19. Don't you think there were Lions fans doubting him? I’m guessing you would have too had you been a lions fan. Don't know nor do I care how the "fans" feel. Bottom line is that if you don't motivate, elevate, and prepare your men each week for play, you'll continue to take L's and/or eventually lose your job. Owners want a winning product on Sundays, not excuses Boston. 2022 was a playoff roster (in my mind) & somehow went south quickly. In a terrible division, the Saints are currently the worst. Rewind to games this season .. Bengals, Carolina, Ravens, Steelers, Niners, etc. If you had a competent HC, you win at least 3, or 4 of those "close" ones. I'm on to the Falcons brother. They tee it up at 12 sharp Sinner and Boston Saint like this.

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Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Payton and Brady Teaming Up in NOLA? Originally Posted by K Major Don't know nor do I care how the "fans" feel. Bottom line is that if you don't motivate, elevate, and prepare your men each week for play, you'll continue to take L's and/or eventually lose your job. Owners want a winning product on Sundays, not excuses Boston. 2022 was a playoff roster (in my mind) & somehow went south quickly. In a terrible division, the Saints are currently the worst. Rewind to games this season .. Bengals, Carolina, Ravens, Steelers, Niners, etc. If you had a competent HC, you win at least 3, or 4 of those "close" ones. I'm on to the Falcons brother. They tee it up at 12 sharp I don’t disagree with any of this…but the things you say about Allen you would have said about Campbell had he been the Saints coach and had a 4-19 record like he did with the Lions.

12-13-2022, 12:26 PM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Payton and Brady Teaming Up in NOLA? Originally Posted by K Major Don't know nor do I care how the "fans" feel. Bottom line is that if you don't motivate, elevate, and prepare your men each week for play, you'll continue to take L's and/or eventually lose your job. Owners want a winning product on Sundays, not excuses Boston. 2022 was a playoff roster (in my mind) & somehow went south quickly. In a terrible division, the Saints are currently the worst. Rewind to games this season .. Bengals, Carolina, Ravens, Steelers, Niners, etc. If you had a competent HC, you win at least 3, or 4 of those "close" ones. I'm on to the Falcons brother. They tee it up at 12 sharp The roster pre-injury was a playoff roster in my mind as well. After being decimated, not so much. Although, if you had Michael Thomas, Marshon Lattimore, and the missing 3/5th's of the starting offensive line you win at least 3, or 4 of those close ones. And we'll be there in section 229 pulling for that Falcons beat down.

12-13-2022, 12:16 PM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Payton and Brady Teaming Up in NOLA? Originally Posted by Boston Saint Again, I’m not arguing how good/bad Campbell is. I’m just pointing out that as a DETROIT LIONS fan (forget his interem Miami gig cause that doesn’t mean much to a Lions fan) he was sitting with a record of 4-19. Don't you think there were Lions fans doubting him? I’m guessing you would have too had you been a lions fan. You are correct. From a Lions forum - The Den - this season: Poll: Should Dan Campbell be fired after loss to Pats? Comments: "He won’t be, but keeping Dan Campbell around is on the same level as letting Matt Patricia stay as long as the Lions did. Dan Campbell isn’t an NFL head coach." "For those voting “No,” I have to know why. What are you seeing?" "No. He’s got this season for sure. He’s done a terrible job. I’m not debating that" "We were absolutely unprepared in every element of this game. It’s like we just walked in with our Playbook without scouting with the other team can do. Belichick is the greatest coach the NFL has ever seen and it obviously showed today because he 100% knew how to stop this offense. This team was absolutely embarrassing to watch today and that is 100% on the entirety of the coaching staff" "I don’t see how you can keep him around. The season is lost, and he hasn’t shown any progress as a coach. I wouldn’t delay the inevitable at this point." "The unpreparedness is what got me today. They were outcoached in every single aspect." "Brian Daboll has the same amount of wins in 5 games with Daniel Jones as his QB as Dan Campbell has in 22 games." "If the lions win less than 5 games, which is a probability, Campbell has to be let go. If the wheels fall off the offense this season is going to be unwatchable. Even worse than last year because we have more talent." "Get rid of him now. Sheila needs to make a statement. Both she and the fans were sold a bill of goods." "Just to do it? He’s 4-17-1, looks completely over his head, and his players look like they’re regressing across the board. If you want to salvage any of these young guys, you have to cut ties with Dan sooner rather than later, IMO." And it goes on and on. Sound familiar? Boston Saint likes this.
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