Drew Brees says 'your heart hurts' watching Saints' disappointing season fall to 4-9

AsylumGuido · 12-16-2022, 10:36 AM

John Sigler
December 16, 2022 9:52 am CT

You often are who your record says you are in the NFL, but Drew Brees feels the New Orleans Saints are better than their 4-9 tally suggests. The former Saints quarterback took stock of his old team during an appearance on WWL radio Thursday night, discussing their year so far and what’s ahead of them.

“They’re not a 4-9 team, but they’re 4-9,” Brees conceded, pointing to some things the team has done well that were undercut by too many low moments, bad breaks, and self-inflicted wounds. He continued, “And I think that’s probably the disappointing part, and I still feel it along with the guys in the locker room, your heart hurts.”

The Saints have been competitive in most of their games this year, but they haven’t finished strong and have racked up too many losses with poor play in the second half. And Brees has an inside track on how those defeats hit his friends and peers in the locker room: he shared the title of team captain with Demario Davis and Cameron Jordan, completed hundreds of passes to Alvin Kamara and Michael Thomas, and he’s still close with many people in the building despite having been away for two years.

So Brees knows better than most what so many frustrations can do to a team’s morale. The Saints would probably be in a better spot right now if they weren’t shackled with the least-ambitious coaching staff in the league, but Dennis Allen has made that bed, so he’s got to lie in it. Too many punts on fourth down and short field goal tries have defined Allen’s philosophy of playing not-to-lose rather than trying to win, and it’s resulted in too many lost games and missed opportunities.

It’s a bad process that’s led to bad results, and the Saints are worse off for it. They’re a better team than their record implies — they rank near league-average in points scored and allowed, yards gained and yielded per play, third down conversions, and a host of other key stats. But at the end of the day, they’ll be eliminated from the playoffs because of their record and nothing else. This team is worse than the sum of its parts, and a lot of that comes down on coaching. Everyone can see it. Even Brees.

K Major · 12-16-2022, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

https://twitter.com/TheSaintsWire/st...80938483253248

This team is worse than the sum of its parts, and a lot of that comes down on coaching. Everyone can see it. Even Brees.

Genius

Coaching ... ya think?

Sinner · 12-16-2022, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Genius

Coaching ... ya think?

THIS ^^^ YUP.

Sinner · 12-16-2022, 12:03 PM

"The Saints would probably be in a better spot right now if they weren’t shackled with the least-ambitious coaching staff in the league, but Dennis Allen has made that bed, so he’s got to lie in it. Too many punts on fourth down and short field goal tries have defined Allen’s philosophy of playing not-to-lose rather than trying to win, and it’s resulted in too many lost games and missed opportunities."

AsylumGuido · 12-16-2022, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

"The Saints would probably be in a better spot right now if they weren’t shackled with the least-ambitious coaching staff in the league, but Dennis Allen has made that bed, so he’s got to lie in it. Too many punts on fourth down and short field goal tries have defined Allen’s philosophy of playing not-to-lose rather than trying to win, and it’s resulted in too many lost games and missed opportunities."

Offensive playcalling. That's what I've been harping on with Pete Carmichael. But are they concerned with the backups on the offensive line and at TE and is that affecting the diminished playbook?

Sinner · 12-16-2022, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Offensive playcalling. That's what I've been harping on with Pete Carmichael. But are they concerned with the backups on the offensive line and at TE and is that affecting the diminished playbook?

"...Dennis Allen has made that bed, so he’s got to lie in it. Too many punts on fourth down and short field goal tries have defined Allen’s philosophy of playing not-to-lose rather than trying to win, and it’s resulted in too many lost games and missed opportunities."

Rugby Saint II · 12-16-2022, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Offensive playcalling. That's what I've been harping on with Pete Carmichael. But are they concerned with the backups on the offensive line and at TE and is that affecting the diminished playbook?

If the backups were well coached they shouldn't need to alter the play calling as much. Backups can do the same things as starters. Just not as well. I can understand having to make a couple of adjustments. But to have to recreate a game plan, that was lacking in inspiration to begin with, is just too much for this coaching staff. I've seen coaches do more with less. We did have a strong looking roster to start the year. Injuries have hurt us but it's possible that the coaching has hurts us more.

Sinner · 12-16-2022, 01:56 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

If the backups were well coached they shouldn't need to alter the play calling as much. Backups can do the same things as starters. Just not as well. I can understand having to make a couple of adjustments. But to have to recreate a game plan, that was lacking in inspiration to begin with, is just too much for this coaching staff. I've seen coaches do more with less. We did have a strong looking roster to start the year. Injuries have hurt us but it's possible that the coaching has hurts us more.

"I've seen coaches do more with less. We did have a strong looking roster to start the year. Injuries have hurt us but it's EVIDENT that the coaching has hurts us more."

halloween 65 · 12-16-2022, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

"The Saints would probably be in a better spot right now if they weren’t shackled with the least-ambitious coaching staff in the league, but Dennis Allen has made that bed, so he’s got to lie in it. Too many punts on fourth down and short field goal tries have defined Allen’s philosophy of playing not-to-lose rather than trying to win, and it’s resulted in too many lost games and missed opportunities."

He don't challenge is his motto!! He's not a poker player Payton was. He thinks the cards are going to fall into his hand like his job did. He's not cutting the mustard, period. It's not in him!! Dan Campbell was the one that got away. Payton should be embarrassed !!

AsylumGuido · 12-16-2022, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

If the backups were well coached they shouldn't need to alter the play calling as much. Backups can do the same things as starters. Just not as well. I can understand having to make a couple of adjustments. But to have to recreate a game plan, that was lacking in inspiration to begin with, is just too much for this coaching staff. I've seen coaches do more with less. We did have a strong looking roster to start the year. Injuries have hurt us but it's possible that the coaching has hurts us more.

Doug Marrone is one of the very best offensive line coaches to have coach in the NFL over the past couple of decades. Did he forget how to coach, as well? Very curious.

12-16-2022, 10:36 AM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,048	Drew Brees says 'your heart hurts' watching Saints' disappointing season fall to 4-9 Twitter John Sigler December 16, 2022 9:52 am CT You often are who your record says you are in the NFL, but Drew Brees feels the New Orleans Saints are better than their 4-9 tally suggests. The former Saints quarterback took stock of his old team during an appearance on WWL radio Thursday night, discussing their year so far and what’s ahead of them. “They’re not a 4-9 team, but they’re 4-9,” Brees conceded, pointing to some things the team has done well that were undercut by too many low moments, bad breaks, and self-inflicted wounds. He continued, “And I think that’s probably the disappointing part, and I still feel it along with the guys in the locker room, your heart hurts.” The Saints have been competitive in most of their games this year, but they haven’t finished strong and have racked up too many losses with poor play in the second half. And Brees has an inside track on how those defeats hit his friends and peers in the locker room: he shared the title of team captain with Demario Davis and Cameron Jordan, completed hundreds of passes to Alvin Kamara and Michael Thomas, and he’s still close with many people in the building despite having been away for two years. So Brees knows better than most what so many frustrations can do to a team’s morale. The Saints would probably be in a better spot right now if they weren’t shackled with the least-ambitious coaching staff in the league, but Dennis Allen has made that bed, so he’s got to lie in it. Too many punts on fourth down and short field goal tries have defined Allen’s philosophy of playing not-to-lose rather than trying to win, and it’s resulted in too many lost games and missed opportunities. It’s a bad process that’s led to bad results, and the Saints are worse off for it. They’re a better team than their record implies — they rank near league-average in points scored and allowed, yards gained and yielded per play, third down conversions, and a host of other key stats. But at the end of the day, they’ll be eliminated from the playoffs because of their record and nothing else. This team is worse than the sum of its parts, and a lot of that comes down on coaching. Everyone can see it. Even Brees.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,589 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Drew Brees says 'your heart hurts' watching Saints' disappointing season fall to 4-9 Originally Posted by AsylumGuido https://twitter.com/TheSaintsWire/st...80938483253248 This team is worse than the sum of its parts, and a lot of that comes down on coaching. Everyone can see it. Even Brees. Genius Coaching ... ya think? Rugby Saint II, Sinner and halloween 65 like this.

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Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,824	Re: Drew Brees says 'your heart hurts' watching Saints' disappointing season fall to 4-9 "The Saints would probably be in a better spot right now if they weren’t shackled with the least-ambitious coaching staff in the league, but Dennis Allen has made that bed, so he’s got to lie in it. Too many punts on fourth down and short field goal tries have defined Allen’s philosophy of playing not-to-lose rather than trying to win, and it’s resulted in too many lost games and missed opportunities." K Major likes this.
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,048	Re: Drew Brees says 'your heart hurts' watching Saints' disappointing season fall to 4-9 Originally Posted by Sinner "The Saints would probably be in a better spot right now if they weren’t shackled with the least-ambitious coaching staff in the league, but Dennis Allen has made that bed, so he’s got to lie in it. Too many punts on fourth down and short field goal tries have defined Allen’s philosophy of playing not-to-lose rather than trying to win, and it’s resulted in too many lost games and missed opportunities." Offensive playcalling. That's what I've been harping on with Pete Carmichael. But are they concerned with the backups on the offensive line and at TE and is that affecting the diminished playbook?

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Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,824	Re: Drew Brees says 'your heart hurts' watching Saints' disappointing season fall to 4-9 Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Offensive playcalling. That's what I've been harping on with Pete Carmichael. But are they concerned with the backups on the offensive line and at TE and is that affecting the diminished playbook? "...Dennis Allen has made that bed, so he’s got to lie in it. Too many punts on fourth down and short field goal tries have defined Allen’s philosophy of playing not-to-lose rather than trying to win, and it’s resulted in too many lost games and missed opportunities."
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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,043	Re: Drew Brees says 'your heart hurts' watching Saints' disappointing season fall to 4-9 Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Offensive playcalling. That's what I've been harping on with Pete Carmichael. But are they concerned with the backups on the offensive line and at TE and is that affecting the diminished playbook? If the backups were well coached they shouldn't need to alter the play calling as much. Backups can do the same things as starters. Just not as well. I can understand having to make a couple of adjustments. But to have to recreate a game plan, that was lacking in inspiration to begin with, is just too much for this coaching staff. I've seen coaches do more with less. We did have a strong looking roster to start the year. Injuries have hurt us but it's possible that the coaching has hurts us more. Sinner and K Major like this.

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Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,824	Re: Drew Brees says 'your heart hurts' watching Saints' disappointing season fall to 4-9 Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II If the backups were well coached they shouldn't need to alter the play calling as much. Backups can do the same things as starters. Just not as well. I can understand having to make a couple of adjustments. But to have to recreate a game plan, that was lacking in inspiration to begin with, is just too much for this coaching staff. I've seen coaches do more with less. We did have a strong looking roster to start the year. Injuries have hurt us but it's possible that the coaching has hurts us more. "I've seen coaches do more with less. We did have a strong looking roster to start the year. Injuries have hurt us but it's EVIDENT that the coaching has hurts us more." Rugby Saint II and K Major like this.
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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Drew Brees says 'your heart hurts' watching Saints' disappointing season fall to 4-9 Originally Posted by Sinner "The Saints would probably be in a better spot right now if they weren’t shackled with the least-ambitious coaching staff in the league, but Dennis Allen has made that bed, so he’s got to lie in it. Too many punts on fourth down and short field goal tries have defined Allen’s philosophy of playing not-to-lose rather than trying to win, and it’s resulted in too many lost games and missed opportunities." He don't challenge is his motto!! He's not a poker player Payton was. He thinks the cards are going to fall into his hand like his job did. He's not cutting the mustard, period. It's not in him!! Dan Campbell was the one that got away. Payton should be embarrassed !! Rugby Saint II and Sinner like this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,048	Re: Drew Brees says 'your heart hurts' watching Saints' disappointing season fall to 4-9 Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II If the backups were well coached they shouldn't need to alter the play calling as much. Backups can do the same things as starters. Just not as well. I can understand having to make a couple of adjustments. But to have to recreate a game plan, that was lacking in inspiration to begin with, is just too much for this coaching staff. I've seen coaches do more with less. We did have a strong looking roster to start the year. Injuries have hurt us but it's possible that the coaching has hurts us more. Doug Marrone is one of the very best offensive line coaches to have coach in the NFL over the past couple of decades. Did he forget how to coach, as well? Very curious.