Observations from the Saints' Win vs Falcons

WW_Who_Dat · 12-19-2022, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/s...12765737820160

The argument to if the NFL has a heavy interest to a predetermined outcome can clearly be viewed in this video. The player asked the ref am I ok and the ref give him the thumbs up. You can see the ref going for his flag immediately after the 👍, pulled hold, pull hold. Then the instant the ball is snapped the is coming out.

This weekend was full of examples of truly bad calls that even with pretty telling video to change the call NYC /Goodell hell tight. All these ref assisted calls change the outcome of the game.

It’s beyond BS at this strange of game with the technology available to make sure the right call is made. That it has not changed all clearly gotten worse is an indictment of the NFL/Goodell/Owners approving of the current status of officiating.

SP forced a change briefly to enable teams to challenging and review of all PI calls they did not overturn a single PI call during the one season it was in place. Then used their inaction in not overturning PI after the season to dropped the PI Challenge.

Crusader · 12-19-2022, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by turbo_dog

Think we can get anything for Michael Thomas at this point?

Probably not a whole lot since it would have to be a team that could take the cap hit for us.

AsylumGuido · 12-19-2022, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by Crusader

Probably not a whole lot since it would have to be a team that could take the cap hit for us.

I believe it's us that would be taking the cap hit if we for some reason chose to trade him. $25.452 million in dead cap.

Crusader · 12-19-2022, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I believe it's us that would be taking the cap hit if we for some reason chose to trade him. $25.452 million in dead cap.

I was under the impression that the other team could pick that up too? I might be wrong but didn't the Browns do something like that a couple years back?

Rugby Saint II · 12-19-2022, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by Crusader

I was under the impression that the other team could pick that up too? I might be wrong but didn't the Browns do something like that a couple years back?

I would think a team would have to be pretty desperate to take on a 25 million contract and an injured player who has not played but a few games in the last 3 years now.

One man's trash is another man's treasure. So, you just never know what a team will do. Especially the Browns.

Boston Saint · 12-19-2022, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by Crusader

I was under the impression that the other team could pick that up too? I might be wrong but didn't the Browns do something like that a couple years back?

Not sure Crusader. This is a big question

iceshack149 · 12-19-2022, 03:38 PM

Speaking of (ex)Falcons, Matt Ryan is back at it. This time with the Colts against the Vikings.

AsylumGuido · 12-19-2022, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by Crusader

I was under the impression that the other team could pick that up too? I might be wrong but didn't the Browns do something like that a couple years back?

Nope. Dead cap is the accounting for monies already spent in terms of bonuses and such. It is already on the team's books and cannot be transferred. Team can, however, negotiate the future base pay, but that already goes with the player to the new team. The trading team can, and has, agreed to cover part of that pay to move the player. That's not what you were hoping. I believe that's what you were thinking about in that Browns deal. Was it with the Texans, perhaps? It was a QB.

AsylumGuido · 12-19-2022, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by Crusader

I was under the impression that the other team could pick that up too? I might be wrong but didn't the Browns do something like that a couple years back?

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Not sure Crusader. This is a big question

Okay. Found what I was thinking about.

Texans trade Brock Osweiler, 2018 second-round pick to Browns

The Texans were trying to dump future guaranteed salary, not dead cap.

Crusader · 12-20-2022, 09:51 AM

Yeah that was the trade I was thinking about I just remembered the details wrong.

12-19-2022, 11:25 AM	#21
WW_Who_Dat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lafayette, La and Valencia CA Posts: 1,265 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Observations from the Saints' Win vs Falcons Originally Posted by SmashMouth https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/s...12765737820160 The argument to if the NFL has a heavy interest to a predetermined outcome can clearly be viewed in this video. The player asked the ref am I ok and the ref give him the thumbs up. You can see the ref going for his flag immediately after the 👍, pulled hold, pull hold. Then the instant the ball is snapped the is coming out. This weekend was full of examples of truly bad calls that even with pretty telling video to change the call NYC /Goodell hell tight. All these ref assisted calls change the outcome of the game. It’s beyond BS at this strange of game with the technology available to make sure the right call is made. That it has not changed all clearly gotten worse is an indictment of the NFL/Goodell/Owners approving of the current status of officiating. SP forced a change briefly to enable teams to challenging and review of all PI calls they did not overturn a single PI call during the one season it was in place. Then used their inaction in not overturning PI after the season to dropped the PI Challenge. turbo_dog, SmashMouth, Rugby Saint II and 2 others like this.

12-19-2022, 11:48 AM	#22
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,017	Re: Observations from the Saints' Win vs Falcons Originally Posted by turbo_dog Think we can get anything for Michael Thomas at this point? Probably not a whole lot since it would have to be a team that could take the cap hit for us.

12-19-2022, 12:13 PM	#23
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,048	Re: Observations from the Saints' Win vs Falcons Originally Posted by Crusader Probably not a whole lot since it would have to be a team that could take the cap hit for us. I believe it's us that would be taking the cap hit if we for some reason chose to trade him. $25.452 million in dead cap.

12-19-2022, 12:35 PM	#24
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,017	Re: Observations from the Saints' Win vs Falcons Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I believe it's us that would be taking the cap hit if we for some reason chose to trade him. $25.452 million in dead cap. I was under the impression that the other team could pick that up too? I might be wrong but didn't the Browns do something like that a couple years back? SmashMouth and Boston Saint like this.

12-19-2022, 02:40 PM	#25
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12-19-2022, 04:20 PM	#28
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,048	Re: Observations from the Saints' Win vs Falcons Originally Posted by Crusader I was under the impression that the other team could pick that up too? I might be wrong but didn't the Browns do something like that a couple years back? Nope. Dead cap is the accounting for monies already spent in terms of bonuses and such. It is already on the team's books and cannot be transferred. Team can, however, negotiate the future base pay, but that already goes with the player to the new team. The trading team can, and has, agreed to cover part of that pay to move the player. That's not what you were hoping. I believe that's what you were thinking about in that Browns deal. Was it with the Texans, perhaps? It was a QB.

12-19-2022, 04:50 PM	#29
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,048	Re: Observations from the Saints' Win vs Falcons Originally Posted by Crusader I was under the impression that the other team could pick that up too? I might be wrong but didn't the Browns do something like that a couple years back? Originally Posted by Boston Saint Not sure Crusader. This is a big question Okay. Found what I was thinking about. Texans trade Brock Osweiler, 2018 second-round pick to Browns The Texans were trying to dump future guaranteed salary, not dead cap. Crusader and Big_L like this.

12-20-2022, 09:51 AM	#30
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,017	Re: Observations from the Saints' Win vs Falcons Yeah that was the trade I was thinking about I just remembered the details wrong.