Zack Wilson... should we?

SmashMouth · 12-27-2022, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Dalton is our Minshew.

I can see us rolling with Andy in 2023 and using our first draft pick on a QB.

The only question is how high that first pick ends up being.

Hopefully more than one pick in the first when it's all said and done.

saintsfan1976 · 12-27-2022, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Hopefully more than one pick in the first when it's all said and done.

I just don't see how its anything less than multiple 1s.

rezburna · 01-10-2023, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I’d rather give a healthy Winston another shot.

This. Dennis Allen and our front office really ****ed over Jameis Winston this year. It’s another bad reflection on our leadership, especially when the team continually identifies Winston as a valued leader…evidenced by the award he was just given and the fact he was a team captain.

K Major · 01-10-2023, 11:43 AM

What's next for Jameis Winston

AsylumGuido · 01-10-2023, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Hopefully more than one pick in the first when it's all said and done.

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

I just don't see how its anything less than multiple 1s.

I have a feeling we are going to be very disappointed as fans with the compensation for Payton. If Payton ends up having interest in only one final destination then there will be no bidding, just straight forward negotiating. I hope I'm wrong, but if a 1st is involved it may end up being a 2024.

SmashMouth · 01-10-2023, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I have a feeling we are going to be very disappointed as fans with the compensation for Payton. If Payton ends up having interest in only one final destination then there will be no bidding, just straight forward negotiating. I hope I'm wrong, but if a 1st is involved it may end up being a 2024.

Saints can play hardball too.

AsylumGuido · 01-10-2023, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Saints can play hardball too.

How? By saying no deal? The other team can simply say, "Okay. We'll wait," knowing that if the Saints want anything they'll come crawling back with their tail between their legs. The Saints are not in a position of leverage unless multiple teams are involved in which Payton has equal interest. I just don't see that scenario. I fully expect Payton to weigh the options and make a decision on one team and then leave it to the Saints and that team to try to make a deal.

leilung · 01-10-2023, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

How? By saying no deal? The other team can simply say, "Okay. We'll wait," knowing that if the Saints want anything they'll come crawling back with their tail between their legs. The Saints are not in a position of leverage unless multiple teams are involved in which Payton has equal interest. I just don't see that scenario. I fully expect Payton to weigh the options and make a decision on one team and then leave it to the Saints and that team to try to make a deal.

True, but if you think there's not more than one team looking at SP, you're mistaken. IMHO, he won't be left hanging out there too long.

AsylumGuido · 01-10-2023, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by leilung

True, but if you think there's not more than one team looking at SP, you're mistaken. IMHO, he won't be left hanging out there too long.

There's absolutely more than one team looking at him, but that's not the point. It matters not who is looking at HIM unless he's seriously looking at THEM. Payton isn't the type that's just willing to go to the highest bidder. He was already making top coaching money at the network job working a fraction of the hours. He's going to pick the ideal situation for himself and then it is up to the Saints and his desired suiter to come to terms. It would mean absolutely no difference to Payton if the team he wants to go to has only offered two 2nd's and a 3rd for his rights while a team that he doesn't feel is his best fit offers up three 1st's, two 2nd's and $20 million cash to the Saints for his rights.

Payton is going to go where HE wants to go and it doesn't matter what the Saints want in return. Of course, the Saints can always simply refuse to release his rights, but that just means they get nothing.

vpheughan · 01-10-2023, 05:41 PM

You need to look no further than his Mentor Bill Parcells.

After Parcells’s Giants won another Super Bowl in 1991, he retired and then signed with NBC Sports to serve as an analyst for its football broadcasts. (Sound Familliar?)

Parcells did not leave the field for long, however. In 1993 he became head coach of a New England Patriots............

The Beat Goes On............

12-27-2022, 09:57 AM	#21
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,125 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Zack Wilson... should we? Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Dalton is our Minshew. I can see us rolling with Andy in 2023 and using our first draft pick on a QB. The only question is how high that first pick ends up being. Hopefully more than one pick in the first when it's all said and done.

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saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,832 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Zack Wilson... should we? Originally Posted by SmashMouth Hopefully more than one pick in the first when it's all said and done. I just don't see how its anything less than multiple 1s.

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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,903	Re: Zack Wilson... should we? Originally Posted by Boston Saint I’d rather give a healthy Winston another shot. This. Dennis Allen and our front office really ****ed over Jameis Winston this year. It’s another bad reflection on our leadership, especially when the team continually identifies Winston as a valued leader…evidenced by the award he was just given and the fact he was a team captain. turbo_dog, AsylumGuido, bobdog86 and 2 others like this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Zack Wilson... should we? Originally Posted by SmashMouth Hopefully more than one pick in the first when it's all said and done. Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 I just don't see how its anything less than multiple 1s. I have a feeling we are going to be very disappointed as fans with the compensation for Payton. If Payton ends up having interest in only one final destination then there will be no bidding, just straight forward negotiating. I hope I'm wrong, but if a 1st is involved it may end up being a 2024.

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01-10-2023, 11:53 AM	#26
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,125 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Zack Wilson... should we? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I have a feeling we are going to be very disappointed as fans with the compensation for Payton. If Payton ends up having interest in only one final destination then there will be no bidding, just straight forward negotiating. I hope I'm wrong, but if a 1st is involved it may end up being a 2024. Saints can play hardball too.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Zack Wilson... should we? Originally Posted by SmashMouth Saints can play hardball too. How? By saying no deal? The other team can simply say, "Okay. We'll wait," knowing that if the Saints want anything they'll come crawling back with their tail between their legs. The Saints are not in a position of leverage unless multiple teams are involved in which Payton has equal interest. I just don't see that scenario. I fully expect Payton to weigh the options and make a decision on one team and then leave it to the Saints and that team to try to make a deal.

01-10-2023, 03:29 PM	#28
leilung Booty Bandit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Wastelands that are NJ Posts: 1,369	Re: Zack Wilson... should we? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido How? By saying no deal? The other team can simply say, "Okay. We'll wait," knowing that if the Saints want anything they'll come crawling back with their tail between their legs. The Saints are not in a position of leverage unless multiple teams are involved in which Payton has equal interest. I just don't see that scenario. I fully expect Payton to weigh the options and make a decision on one team and then leave it to the Saints and that team to try to make a deal. True, but if you think there's not more than one team looking at SP, you're mistaken. IMHO, he won't be left hanging out there too long.

01-10-2023, 04:03 PM	#29
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Zack Wilson... should we? Originally Posted by leilung True, but if you think there's not more than one team looking at SP, you're mistaken. IMHO, he won't be left hanging out there too long. There's absolutely more than one team looking at him, but that's not the point. It matters not who is looking at HIM unless he's seriously looking at THEM. Payton isn't the type that's just willing to go to the highest bidder. He was already making top coaching money at the network job working a fraction of the hours. He's going to pick the ideal situation for himself and then it is up to the Saints and his desired suiter to come to terms. It would mean absolutely no difference to Payton if the team he wants to go to has only offered two 2nd's and a 3rd for his rights while a team that he doesn't feel is his best fit offers up three 1st's, two 2nd's and $20 million cash to the Saints for his rights. Payton is going to go where HE wants to go and it doesn't matter what the Saints want in return. Of course, the Saints can always simply refuse to release his rights, but that just means they get nothing.
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01-10-2023, 05:41 PM	#30
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,520	Re: Zack Wilson... should we? You need to look no further than his Mentor Bill Parcells. After Parcells’s Giants won another Super Bowl in 1991, he retired and then signed with NBC Sports to serve as an analyst for its football broadcasts. (Sound Familliar?) Parcells did not leave the field for long, however. In 1993 he became head coach of a New England Patriots............ The Beat Goes On............
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