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It all came down to $$$$$ & Cents:

Cap-strapped Saints might have to let Trey Hendrickson walk in free agency

The Saints signed 3rd round draft choice Trey Hendrickson to a four-year, $3.17 million contract that includes a signing bonus of $706,288.


Trey Hendrickson signed a 4 year, $60,000,000 contract with the Cincinnati Bengals, including a $10,000,000 signing bonus, $16,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $15,000,000.

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They had the cap space available to make that kind of deal, but probably weren't sold on his future being as strong as it ended up being.

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"Pressure rate" ... Why does this term not apply to Cameron Jordan? And why is this even in consideration?

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We let Hendrickson go in the offseason between 2020 and 2021 seasons. This was the same offseason where at WR we were comfortable with Michael Thomas as our only talented WR despite his being injured all season, delaying surgery, and our recent experience with how one injury affected Cameron Meredith's promising WR career. And behind Thomas nothing. And at starting TE Adam Trautman a totally unproven raw project pick.

So I guess we 'had cap space' to sign Hendrickson but 'weren't sold' however its important to remember that we had so little cap space that we decided not to address obvious needs that ruined our teams season because we were so close to being maxed out on the cap that had we signed Hendrickson, or more practically a WR or TE making that kind of money, we would have been in an even more historical level of cap hell.

I think its more practical so say that we could have signed Hendrickson, or we could have brought in a great WR or TE, but Mickey Loomis had us so maxxed out on the cap that had we done that, and had Jameis Winston thrown for 6000 yards in 2021 or Taysom Hill been the first QB to rush for 2000 yards, and we won the Superbowl, we would not have had any way to get under the salary cap enough to apply the franchise tag to prevent letting them walk. So even if Hendrickson had been a fit, it would not have mattered, unless we let Ramczyk or Lattimore etc walk in his place, we were hosed.

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A valid argument for not over-mortgaging the cap. Also an argument to NOT spend two number ones for a number one pick on moving up. This move rarely works out, despite the obvious exceptions . It could be argued had we not used two 1s to reach down to get Davenport who probably would've been available in later rounds, our cap would've been in better situation to afford Hendrickson sans casualties. As a franchise, you want exactly the kind of players like Hendrickson turned out to be from the draft position he was gotten

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Hendrickson wouldn't make the Saints no better and the Bengals overpaid for a 3 down player. It happened he's on the team. The compensation is gone. The picks are gone. Davenport is here for the moment probably won't be resigned. This isn't insight its hindsight. Cincinnati had 20 less sacks than the Saints but ironically more hurries and hits on the QB. Where is the issue? Everything must go the Saints way huh? Saints shouldn't have any "mistakes " or unforseen circumstances?

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Trey Hendrickson again showing up in the playoffs.

Davenport should watch some of Trey's tape.

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Facts :bng:

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Hey look, Vonn Bell too!

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Funny, Chargers' fans were saying the same every time Brees threw a TD. :D Or Jets' fans when Vilma made a tackle for a loss.

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So you then agree we shoulda kept Hendrickson. :bng:

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Sure, but you never know until later. San Diego thought they'd made the right decision at the time, too. Hindsight is always 20/20.

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Looking at the Bengals today, notice how well the O line (injured throughout 2022) have been protecting Joe Cool.

Injuries happen to ALL teams but GOOD DEPTH is key.

Saints need to observe and implement.

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100%.

I think I heard Cincy are missing their starting Center and RG for this game and yet the Bills have been bullied right off the line of scrimmage.

Good coaches and depth can make up for injuries, that's why I never really agree with injuries being used as excuses.

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It really depends upon what else you have to overcome those injuries, don't you think. I would think that having Ja'Marr Chase, Tee Higgins, Tyler Boyd, Joe Mixon, and a guy named Joe Burrow at QB had to have helped. I'll bet if we had that crew we could have weathered some offensive line injuries quite well.

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I am pretty sure no one felt that Hendrickson would not produce on the next contract, which he got at Cincy. It's more a matter of what the Saints thought they had in Davenport , the two number ones it took to get him,
and what they invested overall in P Turner and Davenport. If ones removes those two picks, which one could argue should not have been made , Hendrickson is so easily affordable . The very same decision exists Granderson. He's a rising star just like Hendrickson was. And the Saints need to keep him.

Now to really play 20/20, just who could the Saints have drafted in lieu of Davenport and Turner?

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Yup. There's always could'a been. And also should not have's. You never know for sure.

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Oh absolutely yeah having those guys is a game changing event.
My main point though, is that despite injuries to that O line, the backup players have still come in for the Bengals are playing like starters and have flat out bullied the Bills D line.

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Lol here's some that stand out to me instead of Davenport, that were all taken after him.

Lamar Jackson, Leighton Vander-esch, DJ Moore, Fred Warner, Nick Chubb.

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Yes they did. But it does helps when you have a QB that knows where to go quickly. Andy ain't that. LOL! It keeps that defense on its heels.

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In other news, seeing Bill Vinovich reffing the 9ers game made me want to puke.

Hope Dak or Purdy throw one right in his senile face.

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At least Marcus Davenport's time with New Orleans finished on a high note. Oh wait, there was that nasty ejection.

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Trey Hendrickson and that 13million dollar pass rush sure helped the bengals this playoffs. So mad we didn't pay that guy

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Right? Instead we just kept Davenport and drafted another DE in the first round that stays injured or just doesn’t play.

What a waste.

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That's 3 number 1s tied up in not playing quality minutes. I just wonder, pray tell, just what could we have gotten with these three number 1s?

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And yet some people think other teams are okay with tying up multiple #1's not playing quality minutes for a coach. Go figure. :D

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A coach plays quality minutes on a field now? When did the rules change? What position... QB, DT?

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Yup! That's exactly what I'm talking about, Smash. Someone told me here that there's no difference in spending two 1st's on a player and two 1st's on a coach. I'd much rather use those picks on players than a coach any day. Wouldn't you?

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Maybe we need to rethink basing our drafts for defensive ends strictly on the raw Athletic score. These guys have measurables that are off the charts but we can't get them on the field and they are always a slow project.

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Tampa Bay says hello from one of their SB trophies.

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All I know is that the New Orleans Saints are one of the oldest teams in the NFL & having cap "concerns".

Unable to keep Latavius vs Ingram & then the Ceedy trade :rolleyes:. Notice how Philly was able to use him EFFECTIVELY at safety. Instead of paying Marcus Williams (his range is elite), they went with the HB & injury-prone Marcus Maye.

The O line has regressed & poor (Throckmorton/Hurst) DEPTH.

Cam Jordan & Demario are another year older & guys like Davenport/Turner are brittle. Not even sure if Tanoh or MD walk in Free Agency.

Realistically, this team needs a LOT (starting with coaches) if they ever want to truly compete for a Lombardi again. Oh, did I mention we have no quarterback?? Watching the title games over the weekend, you either must have an ELITE QB or a sound defensive front with forward-thinking coaches to make it to the big boy bowl.

IMO they are 3, or 4 years away from competing :bng: ...

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Yup. They won that with Coach Dungy's players. Three of the next four years under Gruden they had a losing record winning only four and five games in two of those years. I'm sure you remember that stretch, right? Had they not moved on from Dungy and thrown away two 1st rounders AND two 2nd rounders they might have won multiple Super Bowls during that stretch.

Hello? Yes, hello to immediately becoming the doormat of the NFC South.

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He!! we throw away first round picks every draft, no difference really. Throwing those 2fers away has cost us quality depth and players that could be good in rotation, not to mention actual starters on the front lines. So if u think Tampa and those picks cost them how come u think different on the Saints? It's like a slow death either way. Tampa just died quicker!! Of course we might have a quick one coming up this season.

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That doormat used us as a doormat twice this season... and stepped further into the post-season than we did. Hello.

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What does any of that have to do with a team being unwilling to give up two 1st round picks for Payton? You lost me there.

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You never said for Payton, you said Dungy and Gruden

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The Gruden deal was the basis for the argument that Payton was worth two 1st's. That's what I was addressing. I can't see any team making that same mistake that the Bucs made in that dumb trade to get Gruden.

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He had zero sacks and 1 tackle sounds like trey destroying LTs left and right

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Where did he show up ? He literally didn't make a play or it only matters when ita Davenport?