Re: Marcus Davenport
 

Sarcasm Trey did Jack squat

Re: Marcus Davenport
 

Trey had zero sacks and two tackles in two playoff games, lls where is elite pass rusher? Or are you all counting pressures now?

Re: Marcus Davenport
 

Pressures do matter. They just shouldn't earn you top dollar.

Re: Marcus Davenport
 

Rell, did you read my post #53?

I was speaking of injuries (depth) and how good teams are able to overcome and pivot.

Re: Marcus Davenport
 

Absolutely.

5 seasons in, Davenport has struggled with inconsistent play and durability issues.

He's definitely not worthy of a top contract. If his agent demands something ridiculous, let him play for Atlanta.

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Let him walk and get a compensatory draft pick where we can get younger and cheaper.

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This right here... ^

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I would be elated to see Davenport become a Falcon. I am not afraid to face him once a year.

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What should sacks? Cam Jordan had the most sacks and was the WORSE graded Pass Rusher on the team. You guys are in love with numbers until the numbers don't love you back. Screamed Trey Hendrickson well where was sackmaster Trey vs the Bills and The Chiefs since you guys feel like the Saints made a or the biggest mistake not signing him. Yall would complaining right now about how he didn't show up in the playoffs etc.....Since you all only love to speak on Sacks because that tells you everything you need to know about a guy playing DE. I'm going to speak on what you don't because I like to read books from start to finish not just the preface and summary. You all can say what you want it's not an accident or fluke he's the highest graded pass rusher on the team. So when you tell jokes tell those as well. Cam Jordan was rated a 50 in pass rush this year. But he had wight sacks so he was just so dominant etc. By no way am I saying Cam is trash. I just think there is reason Saints haven't hired no one here to make player decisions or input.

Re: Marcus Davenport
 

Wouldn't mind seeing you go with him...can we trade you for those first round picks ?

Re: Marcus Davenport
 

You can try to trade me for a 1st round pick. You can try to trade Michael Thomas for a 1st round pick. Expect similar result, which makes sense because we had the same stats 40 of the last 50 games and will probablg have the same stats most of next year.

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You're not worth the burden that represents the city. It's okay pal keep being holding grudges with players that don't impact your life and vice versa. By the way if your jokes are as bad as your takes we need virtual tomatoes. Your mad he made millions not playing for a team you cheer for due to injury? When your fans turn into haters you was just his cheerleader now you want throw away your pom poms? You know you can't undo excitement for that guy you already expressed it, it already happened.

Re: Marcus Davenport
 

This is a sports forum. I am not the only guy talking **** about a player who cost a lot and hasnt performed. You are here holding grudges. Get over yourself. You think on the Jets forum everyone is talking about what a lovely young man Zach Wilson is and how they would love to introduce him to their mother? Not that your mother would mind…

Re: Marcus Davenport
 

Gruden is no judge of drafting QB talent either.

Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Bruce Gradkowski, Chris Simms,

Re: Marcus Davenport
 

Yup. That's just another reason why the trade was so bad.

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Chris Sims still thinks he was the second coming, if you listen to him with Florio .

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The fact that you compared Zach Wilson and Davenport is exactly why you deserve tomatoes. I don't have grade against what? against who? You clearly have grudge against MT Davenport I don't whether they are here or not. Mother jokes over the internet OUCH! lls you can't be serious I hurt your pom poms lls

Re: Marcus Davenport
 

It appears that griping and moaning over the same person or subject several times a day is just how some of these guys seem to get their rocks off, Rell. I'm beginning to realize that fact and have chosen to ignore them, myself.

:bng:

Re: Marcus Davenport
 

Oh man.... I had to give a like on that. 40 out of 50 with the same stats. Lol

Re: Marcus Davenport
 

Guido you're right, I'm not going to participate in this injured player fetish anymore.

Re: Marcus Davenport
 

And you're exactly right brother Rell :bng:.

People also have the right to call out players & coaches as they wish on B&G. Gweedo the Narcissist doesn't have the power to tell others how they should act, think or feel either.

He's slowly running off too many nice people on this platform. I hope he hasn't run off TheOak (a highly respected poster here for many, many years). I simply don't understand why the mods allow his antics to continue.

This is a sports forum in which we all can debate right? It's not always rainbows and unicorns.

If there are people (myself included) here you don't like or don't wish to respond to, simply use the ignore button. It does wonders.

Re: Marcus Davenport
 

Exactly, Rell. I've come to the realization that it's best to literally ignore their constant complaining and just try to concentrate on the Saints ongoing news rather than their fixations. Try the "Ignore" feature. You aren't the only one I have heard from that have gotten fed up with it. PM me if you need assistance in shutting them out.

:bng:

Re: Marcus Davenport
 

Major im all for LEGITIMATE debates with context not feelings. I don't want to debate your feelings there's no compromise or middle ground there. Objective opinions are welcomed for debate all day. Constantly speaking on players as if we know them their mindset or inside scoop to why MT didn't get his surgery or Marcus Davenport port not having any value equivalent to Zack Wilson is just asinine. I'm a football fan first. A fan being emotional over a injured player is just downright weird. They don't walk into the building and pick what injury they are going have for the season. But let some of these cheerleaders tell it MT sabotaged the Saints because he doesn't want to play. I'm going to call a hater a hater everyday all day.

Re: Marcus Davenport
 

Rell I see what you’re saying. But some people get emotional when debating something. And to me there is nothing wrong with having hard feelings or frustration about a coach or player who hasn’t lived up to their draft status or position on the staff.

Thing is man, people get emotional about things that they’re passionate about. That’s just human. Try not to take it the wrong way if someone doesn’t like certain players or their track records. They’re just passionate and ultimately just want to see all the players and coaches and the team succeed.

And some just call it like they see it. There’s nothing wrong with that man.

And to me, passion is a feeling. If you’re debating something that you have absolutely no feeling about, you’re not gonna be very good at debating it. If you wanna get into a debate with me about paint drying, I’m gonna have a rough time with that. Because I don’t give a **** about it. Lol.

Re: Marcus Davenport
 

I understand passion as a fan of a team. I get it I really do. Here's my example, Alvin had a "down year" this year statistically speaking some started calling for his head because he had a down year alot of it outside them fumbles were no fault of his own. Playcalling usage etc...play factors into players performance. Football "in essence" is 11 on 11. Your DB play effects your pass rush pass rush effect your db play. DT effect your LB play so on so forth so when some people isolate players without context and just regurgitate one meaningless statistic by itself. I'm going say something because THATS NOT FOOTBALL. Can't talk run game and not talk oline. My passion isn't going to supercede reality. Saints were 5th in sacks and people still felt like we needed a upgrade at pass rush. Why is that of guys herald sacks so much in the Saints were fifth in that category?

Re: Marcus Davenport
 

Idk Rell. My only guess is that with 3 first round draft picks Cam, Davenport and Turner, they should have a better pass rush. Or maybe just with the talent we have there on the defensive line as a whole, they feel like there should’ve been more.

Hell with what we had for DBs I feel like there should’ve been more ints. I mean, the offense underperformed regardless of who was at QB imo. But some may say that Dalton wasn’t good enough and that was the problem. My opinion is that he was fine and did okay but our offense was just vanilla and didn’t seem to have very good plays. Everyone’s got an opinion man. Lol

Re: Marcus Davenport
 

Well put, Rell. Passion is one of the things that make us "fans" or fanatics. And passionate debates are part of it. I believe what you are also trying to convey is that making every other (or more) post here the same passionate criticism of a certain player or coach or GM gets tiresome. Am I right here, Rell? Every subject turns into an attack on Michael Thomas, or Davenport, or Dennis Allen, or Sean Payton, Or Mickey Loomis. We get it. You hate these guys. Fine. But can we sometimes just talk Saints football without it constantly turning into the same old hate fest?

Re: Marcus Davenport
 

Posters can post within the guidelines and rules set forth by B&G.

This is a sports fan forum and no individual can dictate what they can and cannot say or feel because they "don't want to hear it".

And we all know who I'm referring to ... I'll leave it at that.

Saintsfan warned us.

Re: Marcus Davenport
 

Back on topic ...

If Davenport leaves in Free agency, so be it. One less player we have to see on the weekly injury reports.

I'd rather the Saints focus on the DT position. Other than David Onyemata and Cam, everyone else is replaceable in my opinion. Upgrades are needed and necessary.

Re: Marcus Davenport
 

... although Granderson is coming around.

Re: Marcus Davenport
 

Facts.

And with the new hire of Todd G, that's a plus.

Re: Marcus Davenport
 

We definitely need a run stopper that can get some pressure in the backfield to match up with David Onyemata, who is no spring chicken, to help find some kind of pass rush and run stopper.

Re: Marcus Davenport
 

Use the 1st round pick on the best DT available or the best guard to replace Peat.

Re: Marcus Davenport
 

Saika ika is a monster. Slim him down to around 325 to 330 and let him eat. Might get lucky in the second but I wouldn't take a chance.

Re: Marcus Davenport
 

Yes, Saika is a very large man.

I'd have concerns about his conditioning & and whether he can keep that weight down.

Re: Marcus Davenport
 

They were 5th in sacks are you mad they weren't from the dline? Me personally doesn't matter who gets them Saints had 60 of them. Everyone has a holes too don't mean I want hear the non-sense that comes out of the hole too. No they don't they look at few stats and b*** and complain. Facts are this Davenport with ZERO sacks was the highest graded pass rusher on this team. That's not an opinion that's a fact. Facts are most of if not alot guys here don't care about wins they care about how the wins look. Salivating at Chris Olave and he underperformed dropped passes in critical situations and dropped tds. But because he's also with OROY the pick satisfies some egos around here. So since All opinions are welcome here's mine. Last year's draft was a miss and will cost the Saints more in the long run than Davenport ever could. Fans wanted a new face at WR and felt elated somehow Saints are still in the same boat if not worse. Some of You guys love stats so much they leave you blind. Since this is such an opinion friendly forum welcoming of all. Consider this the start of something new.

Re: Marcus Davenport
 

Drafted rookie wr in the first rnd and he out played by udrookie coming off a acl injury. Drafted Trevor Penning and only played heavy run packages or max protection plays. Alontae Taylor was the better of three so far. Eagles took our 2 first and Chauncey and are in the SB. Meanwhile Saints have CO up for OROY......Rookie LB Out for the year hopefully he can find a spot on the roster. Everyone is replaceable if you can find someone better. We shall see yall wanted Marxus Williams gone...done Want MT done Want Davenport gone done Some Want AK gone and Cam gone flip flop some damn much can't tell where they stand.

Re: Marcus Davenport
 

The standard is fraudulent Andy satisfied some of you ? Lls DA actually satisfied some of you Jameis had us 5-2 and yall were calling for his head Andy plays a Alex Smith role and he's the one you want carrying the torch? Guys grade players with their pom poms in mind if they don't like a player its probably he black or didn't do what the cheerleader wanted him do .......opinion that

Re: Marcus Davenport
 

I was trying to reason and show both sides of the coin with my previous replies. I hope you understand that. Your assertion that people didn’t want Jameis because he’s black was a little ridiculous. Especially seeing as how a large % of NFL players and Saints players are black. But hey that’s your opinion. On the flip, would you like it if someone told you that you just didn’t want Dalton because he’s white and you’d rather a black QB?

My opinion is that playing the race card to a bunch of fans that just want the team to win made you look ridiculous. Especially when you know very little about them, their families, lives or culture. You certainly lost some credibility with me. Not that it matters to you really.

But to each their own.

Re: Marcus Davenport
 

I don't hate Michael Thomas, Marcus Davenport, Dennis Allen, or Mickey Loomis. I would love to have a beer with them and eat some nachos. No hard feelings emotionally. Just that while we are having that beer and those nachos I would be really stoked if they were wearing Atlanta Falcons uniforms. Because the one thing that is emotional is that I prefer the Saints win games and the Falcons lose games. And I think that those people being part of the Falcons organization would help achieve that results, in terms of the leadership skills of Allen, the long term decision making of Loomis, and the health outlook of Thomas and Davenport. Its nothing personal. I don't think they are bad guys or get hurt on purpose. I just would prefer my team not be the one paying them when they do. I hate watching the Saints lose. As someone who hates watching the Saints lose, I cannot love the idea of every member the Saints organization who underperforms being given a second and third chance. The Patriots dynasty cut loose all kinds of their players when they feared they were passing their primes and the timing was not always perfect but no other team got more than 6 rings trying something else. So sorry if I don't want continuity at every role forever and that makes me a hater. I wanted continuity at every role for the Falcons when they had Matt Ryan, because I wanted them to have the same result forever as when they blew a 28-3 lead. For us, I want something different.