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I suppose you do not understand the accounting and economic concepts involved.

To put a twist on Arthur C. Clarke's famous quote, "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic," one could say, "Any sufficiently advanced cap management technique is indistinguishable from magic."

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Lol here we go, Guido plays the "you don't understand" card.

Feel like I'm in a timeloop.

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In this case it is dead on. Let's just say that I am not unfamiliar with the concepts of accounting and economics. ;)

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You (we) are. Thankfully, "Stockholm Syndrome" isn't contagious.

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Let me just pan up to the title of this thread...
and then I'll insert: SAM DARNOLD. LMFAO

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And the relevance of that to advanced cap management? :confused:

Tell me, though, you claim to have some sort of power to impact decision-making with the Saints. Exactly what is that power that you believe you hold?

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SAM DARNOLD beat us AT HOME, IN THE DOME, throwing for 43 yds, no touchdowns, and 2 interceptions. THAT is how our organization allowed this dismal season to close for the dedicated fans.

Who got fired? What adjustments are being made?

Kinda hits you in the face, like a can being kicked down the road. The power that I (and you) hold as paying customers, is to boycott an organization that repeatedly kicks a can into your face, until they show you otherwise.

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And how are you personally planning on boycotting the organization and what is the precise effect of that personal boycott? :confused:

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Your "confused" icon speaks volumes.

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Can you not answer these simple questions? If you truly believe you can affect the decision making of the Saints ...

1) How are you personally planning on boycotting the organization?

2) What is the precise effect you expect of that personal boycott?

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Slowly pan back up to the title of this thread:

"We Haven’t Beat A Stable Established QB" --- or SAM DARNOLD either.

LMFAO

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Thought so. You know you have no impact on any decision making whatsoever.

I suppose you cannot come up with how are you personally planning on boycotting the organization.

Apparently you also have no idea what is the precise effect you expect of that imagined personal boycott.

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SAM FREAKING DARNOLD. let that sink in the next time you fork over some cheddar for more merch.

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You still have no clue, right? I repeat ...

1) How are you personally planning on boycotting the organization?

2) What is the precise effect you expect of that personal boycott?

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First of all there are really three options that should be discussed here: keeping a player, letting a player go but replacing them adequately in free agency, or letting a player go while accepting an inferior replacement or arguing you already have enough depth at the position.

So the point is, we are having net losses in free agency even while being a .500 type team. Clearly we lose more talent and youth than we gain in free agency. We 'don't want to pay' younger healthier better players so we let them walk, and we don't replace them with similarly paid similarly young similarly talented players who we think are more worth the amount of money the player we let go wanted, we shop the bargain bins for scrappy vets coming off strings of injuries, arrests, suspensions, interception records, lackluster backup seasons, etc.

The loss of the pair of Emmanuel Sanders and Jared Cook stands out as one good example. We let both go because we were broke on the salary cap. As a result, we went into 2021 with our only proven receiving threat being Michael Thomas, who was coming off a season full of injury, and we had not been able to verify yet that he was actually even having the recommended surgery. We knee capped out 2021 season because we did not have the money to keep OR replace these players, because we were broke under the salary cap because of Loomis. Now both players were getting old. I understand letting Cook go but if you had any money like 30 of 32 teams, you find some decent replacement to give your QB some decent TE to throw to. Sanders did not turn out to have a great 2021, but in our system where he had been effective who knows. At least he gives you another shot on goal to have an effective receiver. Or you cut one $10 million receiver and you find another to replace him who is younger etc. Instead we shopped journeymen off practice squads because we were broke bc of Loomis.

With Marcus Williams and Chauncey Gardner Johnson we let young players go in their primes because we weren't willing to replace them. We brought on an aging player certain to decline sooner or later and a player unproven in our system with both injury and behavior issues now facing suspension because they were cheaper. We replaced from the bargain bin because we were broke.

With Terron Armstead, I was happy to let him go because I think a superstar who never stays healthy is a big disruption and makes it hard to evaluate anything else on offense when the oline keeps going from best to worst and rotating. But we did not replace him with anything in free agency. We knew Penning was raw and unproven. We could at least have gotten some veteran replacement. Instead we ended up with a career journeymen backup with minimal salary because Penning got hurt and could not be ready.

With Hendrickson I get not paying top dollar to a 1 dimensional player. Though I want Davenport gone too because health is the 1 dimension on his performance and never a constant. But OK we were deep at the position. Fine. But two things there. If we were deep at the position we should not have drafted Payton Turner in the 1st round when we had much need at the poisition. And if we were healthy in the salary cap, when we let a player go at the position we were deep and did not replace them, we should have had money to then go make a big improvement at another position where we we needed help in 2021 such as wide receiver or tight end, bringing in better or multiple replacements for Sanders or Cook, or perhaps at Guard finding a better option than Peat. We did not do that. We let talent walk and replaced them with cheap journeymen.

Wanting to pay a lot of players less than they want to be paid is fine. There are 32 teams and we will not value every player the highest of those 32 teams. But we are not taking the stars from other teams that we value more highly unless they are old and hurt and have outstanding warrants. That is not because of a difference of opinion. It is because we are broke. The only solution is to get un-broke. But that requires a year or two of rebuilding. Rebuilding requires smarts and hard work. We can win 7,8,9 games while rebuilding, even make the wildcard, teams do it all the time. But I don't believe Loomis has that in him.

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Let's play with an analogy, taking a break from the action, while the well-coached Bills do a clinic on how to make the Playoffs (Playoffs?!?!? Playoffs?!?!? You kiddin me?!?!?)

Let's say you buy your milk, butter, cheese, sour cream, from the Benson & Loomis Dairy Corp. --- You drive for five hours every other Sunday, to sit in their 750 million dollar upgraded barn for three hours, and have cow-pies smacked directly into your face - You spend your money for some more merchandise and memorabilia, and then drive for five more hours (mostly in silence) to get home and open up your dairy package to find more cow-pies, instead of milk, butter and cheese - - - Your last gift-pack of the year came wrapped in a holiday bow with SAM DARNOLD written on it.

You immediately renewed your season-ticket subscription for next year, without protest, and maybe buy an Andy Dalton Jersey, and some Will Lutz Pajamas, and a T-Shirt with a picture of Dennis Allen wearing Lombardi's fedora, because there is absolutely nothing that you the fan, the customer, the consumer can do to have any effect on the terms and conditions that you continue to agree to. "Just keep doing what you're doing."

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I repeat ...

1) How are YOU personally planning on boycotting the organization?

2) What is the precise effect you expect of that personal boycott?

The only conclusion someone could come to with your avoiding these two simple questions is that YOU cannot have any affect.

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YOU repeat. repeat. repeat. repeat. repeat. repeat. repeat. repeat. repeat. repeat. repeat. repeat. repeat. repeat. repeat. repeat. repeat. repeat. repeat. repeat.

Yes you do. "Just keep doing what you're doing." WHO DAT!!! LOL

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You dodge, and dodge with no response. You repeat, and repeat, and repeat your complaints, your griping, your moaning. I had a brief conversation with a usually very active member very recently that has chosen to avoid the forum because of the constant negativity, complaining, and "repeating" of how much the Saints suck by a small handful of members.

If you think you can do something constructive to improve the Saints have at it. It is becoming clearer and clearer, however, that you know there is nothing that YOU can do to accomplish that goal.

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Just trying to help out fellow fans with Cognitive Dissonance and Stockholm Syndrome. LOVE my SAINTS. But we in trouble.

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You have made your viewpoint well known, ad nauseam. As have a couple of others.

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As have you. That's what a fan forum is all about.

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Predict next years season wins?

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17-0 and a championship! You have got to believe! :bng:

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20-0! Same as I have always predicted.

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Yup! Always believe!

:bng:

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I'm not a betting man but you are. My proposal to you is you put your money where your mouth is so to speak. But this bet isn't about money though. If they lose 1 game you don't post for the rest of that season, if they win your 20-0 I'll not post the entire next season. How does that grab you? Want the bet or talk smack with the 20-0. I already know what your going to do but I don't really think you BELIEVE what you're saying going 20-0. Fair bet from a non betting man. I truly love a gift horse I really do !!

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You truly don't get it, do you? The whole idea of projecting a final record is meaningless. Picking your team to lose specific future games is a defeatist attitude. I never go into any individual game expecting my Saints to lose. What is the logic of doing it prior to the start of a season? Is there a chance we lose a game or two? Sure. There's only been two undefeated regular seasons in the history of the NFL. But, you go ahead a expect your losses if it makes you feel better. I'm sticking with 20-0 because I choose to be positive and non-defeatist.

:bng:

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And you say I'm not the one getting it. Lol. Go ahead and make the bet then Mr. Positive and non-defeatist or just say NO BET!!

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You really don't get it. :rolleyes:

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LMAO Halloween!!


That wager was right out of the Twilight Zone script :p

The Silence

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He want do it. He knows better but when he goes to bet someone else I hope they tell him when he bets Halloween. Lol

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It is premature to predict a record before free agency, the draft, and possible coaching changes. Also remember in many games Dennis Allen didn’t get beat, he beat himself, like when Sam Darnold through for 44 yards. So maybe Dennis Allen won’t get fired but will fire himself in one way or another.

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I suppose you need clarification. Betting anything on a team going 20-0 in the NFL is a fool's bet. I am no fool. Are the Saints likely to go 20-0? History says no. You asked me to predict the Saints record. I said 20-0 just like I did last year and just like I have said 19-0 before they went to 17 games last season. In no individual week during the season am I expecting my Saints to lose that week therefore I would not predict a loss that week. If I feel that way on a weekly basis is there a reason I shouldn't feel the exact same way over the entire season?

That's why I have always "predicted" the Saints to win each game every year for decades and will continue to make the same prediction moving forward.

So, am I going to bet those ridiculously long odds based upon your premise? Nope. Only a fool would do that and I repeat, I am no fool.

Now do you get it?

However, I would place, say, a $20 bet on a season long money line parlay for every Saints game. I would do that in a second. I would lose if the Saints lost a single game. However, if they didn't lose that $20 would roll over to the next game multiplied by the previous game's money line odds. Then those winnings would be placed on the next game's money line and on and on. At even odds (which it may even out to as they remained undefeated) the total at the end of the run would be $20,971,520. Could you handle that?

:D

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An AG free season...as subguy drifts off in the bliss that could be the outcome of that proposal

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Without coaching changes, none of this will matter.

It won't surprise me to see Dalton as the starter in 2023 either.

For me, I just don't need another season to confirm what I've already seen.

Accountability, coaching, play calling, or conditioning. DA doesn't (15-38) check any of these boxes.

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Nothing that any fan thinks they've seen drives the boat. Nor do I think that his record with the Raiders has any relevance to what the real drivers think or they wouldn't have hired him for the position in the first place. Personally, I can take or leave Dennis Allen as head coach. It is what it is and I'll keep hoping for the best. I can say, however, that he almost doubled his career win total in his first season with the hobbled Saints so there is that.

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Hope for the best and expect the worst. That is the lifeline of a New Orleans Saints fan.

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100% THIS ^^^

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It's time for a new motto brother :bng: