Saints gains and loses

WhoDat · 04-03-2003, 08:51 AM

Gator - how exactly have I contradicted myself? Have I changed my argument, in the slightest, that rookies are a good way to augment a team, but need veteran leaders to help their transition and play around them to make the team better? Have I swayed in that in the slightest?

You think b/c I said TE is a need that I\'m contradicting myself? Not at all. It is a need. Defense is a BIGGER need - but ask anyone else in this forum if they think HASLETT sees tight end as NEED - worthy of using a first or second round pick. Again, I am opertaing in reality.

You make statements like \"Whom I know to be solid has nothing to do with those players that will blossom into next year\'s superstar.\" Wow, really? I didn\'t know that you can see the future Gator. Who will be this year\'s SUPERSTAR on the Saints defense?

I\'m not saying that I know what is going to happen. Ashley Ambrose could have 75 interceptions and get elected to start at both corner positions at the same time for the Pro Bowl. Takeo Spikes could have come in here and broken his leg in practice and never played a snap. I make my judgements based on what I know about the Saints talent level and their history. This year marks the end to me. By that I mean that every talented player that we had on defense before he got here is now gone. The Saints screwed Knight. Clemons was a good linebacker year before last, now he\'s leaving after a bad year. They\'ve replaced every player with somone of marginal talent or character. Ruff, Carter, Hand, Jackson....

I\'m glad you\'re optimistic. I;m glad you like the draft. That doesn\'t change the reality of the fact that this defense is full of marginal players. Can our defense be better this year? Yes. Can they get enough better to allow this team to have a shot at the NFC South title or a Super Bowl. I seriously doubt it. Our offense showed at the end of the year last year that it is not invincible. If we\'re scoring 20 points a game, instead of 30 - that\'s really big trouble. I think our offense can be even better, but...

The point is that neither of us KNOWS what is going to happen. I look at a team full of unknown young players with little or no experience and marginally talented veterans at best who have never played together, are overwieght or have substance abuse problemss, led by possibly the worst defense coordinator that the Saints have had in the last 20 years, and I say, wow this defense is not going to be very good. You look at the same thing, and say, but we\'ll have two or three rookies - so we\'ll be much better. Hey man, if that\'s how you feel then great, but you\'re never going to get me to belive that.

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WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Saints gains and loses Gator - how exactly have I contradicted myself? Have I changed my argument, in the slightest, that rookies are a good way to augment a team, but need veteran leaders to help their transition and play around them to make the team better? Have I swayed in that in the slightest? You think b/c I said TE is a need that I\'m contradicting myself? Not at all. It is a need. Defense is a BIGGER need - but ask anyone else in this forum if they think HASLETT sees tight end as NEED - worthy of using a first or second round pick. Again, I am opertaing in reality. You make statements like \"Whom I know to be solid has nothing to do with those players that will blossom into next year\'s superstar.\" Wow, really? I didn\'t know that you can see the future Gator. Who will be this year\'s SUPERSTAR on the Saints defense? I\'m not saying that I know what is going to happen. Ashley Ambrose could have 75 interceptions and get elected to start at both corner positions at the same time for the Pro Bowl. Takeo Spikes could have come in here and broken his leg in practice and never played a snap. I make my judgements based on what I know about the Saints talent level and their history. This year marks the end to me. By that I mean that every talented player that we had on defense before he got here is now gone. The Saints screwed Knight. Clemons was a good linebacker year before last, now he\'s leaving after a bad year. They\'ve replaced every player with somone of marginal talent or character. Ruff, Carter, Hand, Jackson.... I\'m glad you\'re optimistic. I;m glad you like the draft. That doesn\'t change the reality of the fact that this defense is full of marginal players. Can our defense be better this year? Yes. Can they get enough better to allow this team to have a shot at the NFC South title or a Super Bowl. I seriously doubt it. Our offense showed at the end of the year last year that it is not invincible. If we\'re scoring 20 points a game, instead of 30 - that\'s really big trouble. I think our offense can be even better, but... The point is that neither of us KNOWS what is going to happen. I look at a team full of unknown young players with little or no experience and marginally talented veterans at best who have never played together, are overwieght or have substance abuse problemss, led by possibly the worst defense coordinator that the Saints have had in the last 20 years, and I say, wow this defense is not going to be very good. You look at the same thing, and say, but we\'ll have two or three rookies - so we\'ll be much better. Hey man, if that\'s how you feel then great, but you\'re never going to get me to belive that.
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